Equipment Crew- Part III

[jlockleOSU]

nice, is going to be hard flipping plates here now since there is a place that sells used for .30 lb

What kind of plates are they? Just the standard Academy stuff or what?

[Hishiad]

Oh man...in just a couple more weeks I'm going to post up some new purchases


Won't say what I'm getting just yet...want to just get everything setup and post some pictures!

[ExtremistPullup]

What kind of plates are they? Just the standard Academy stuff or what?

they are just standard brand but they are better quality than what academy has been putting out lately

[ExtremistPullup]

Given or received?

both but we can probably fix that right now

[jlockleOSU]

they are just standard brand but they are better quality than what academy has been putting out lately

Thanks, might have to go check it out.

[ExtremistPullup]

I did power cleans for the first time ever today I think I should buy some bumper plates.

I should take advantage of those Troy VTX Bumper Plates for a dollar a lb

can I use 45 lbs bumper plates with regular plates, or do you need to use same size 35, 25, 10, 5 's

[yankeemarko1]

I went hiking yesterday in South Mountain Preserve with a buddy. 6.2 miles. Nice day. We're about halfway through the hike and this lady passes us and asks us if we know if that guy is OK. Confused? She points in the opposite direction of where we were coming from and said he was getting CPR and it didn't look good. She must have thought we had been out in that direction.

I saw in the paper this morning that he died. Hikers did CPR on him till the paramedics got there but he didn't make it. Makes my knee look minor. RIP.

[ExtremistPullup]

I went hiking yesterday in South Mountain Preserve with a buddy. 6.2 miles. Nice day. We're about halfway through the hike and this lady passes us and asks us if we know if that guy is OK. Confused? She points in the opposite direction of where we were coming from and said he was getting CPR and it didn't look good. She must have thought we had been out in that direction.

I saw in the paper this morning that he died. Hikers did CPR on him till the paramedics got there but he didn't make it. Makes my knee look minor. RIP.

that sucks, I miss hiking

[Keetman]

.......asks us if we know if that guy is OK. Confused? She points in the opposite direction ......and said he was getting CPR and it didn't look good. .........

Terrible story, but I couldn't help notice that a woman was asking if a person getting CPR was "ok".


I can't believe I have to say this, but if you're getting CPR performed on you....you are pretty f'ing far from "ok".

[Stasher1]

Terrible story, but I couldn't help notice that a woman was asking if a person getting CPR was "ok".


I can't believe I have to say this, but if you're getting CPR performed on you....you are pretty f'ing far from "ok".

One of my favorite movies.

[fishpat86]

I did power cleans for the first time ever today I think I should buy some bumper plates.

I should take advantage of those Troy VTX Bumper Plates for a dollar a lb

can I use 45 lbs bumper plates with regular plates, or do you need to use same size 35, 25, 10, 5 's

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From what I have heard a bumper plate is only designed to take the impact of its own weight plus a little bit more. that's why they are all the same size. Might be wrong though.

I went hiking yesterday in South Mountain Preserve with a buddy. 6.2 miles. Nice day. We're about halfway through the hike and this lady passes us and asks us if we know if that guy is OK. Confused? She points in the opposite direction of where we were coming from and said he was getting CPR and it didn't look good. She must have thought we had been out in that direction.

I saw in the paper this morning that he died. Hikers did CPR on him till the paramedics got there but he didn't make it. Makes my knee look minor. RIP.

My wifey did a CPR course and they said that statistically speaking you only have a 1 in 10 chance of saving the persons life and apparently if you are doing it correctly you will probably break a few of their ribs in the process.

[matrix563]

From what I have heard a bumper plate is only designed to take the impact of its own weight plus a little bit more. that's why they are all the same size. Might be wrong though.



My wifey did a CPR course and they said that statistically speaking you only have a 1 in 10 chance of saving the persons life and apparently if you are doing it correctly you will probably break a few of their ribs in the process.

thats why i never want to do cpr

[Keetman]

My wifey did a CPR course and they said that statistically speaking you only have a 1 in 10 chance of saving the persons life and apparently if you are doing it correctly you will probably break a few of their ribs in the process.

First of all, the statistics on "saving a life" are a moving target....because success depends on the definition of "still alive". I work as a paramedic and one of our cliche sayings is "....nobody dies in the back of the truck...." Its not just a cute little epithet thrown out there to be all "heroish"....what it means is that once we've made the decision to pick someone up out of their house and take them to the hospital....we absolutely will not pronounce anyone dead. They are going to get the full circle of treatment right up until the point that a doctor takes over in the ER.

Some studies rate success on delivery to the hospital with a pulse, some want the patient to be admitted to the hospital after a cardiac arrest, some measure how many walk out of the hospital, and others want to know how many are still alive a certain amount of time (say 30 days) after the event.

"Success" can be judged different ways since in essence...we're all dying, its just a matter of how quickly. I'd bet that a 1 in 10 "success" rate is fairly high, but I'm not certain because I've seen so many studies over the last 20 years. I think my fire department's success rate is over 20%.....but that's rating a pulse at the ED doors....which is ok, since that is really what our concern is....but the fact is that many of those "success's" don't ever get to see their loved ones again.


On the broken rib thing..... I've done CPR on lots of people, probably well over a hundred..... I have broken people's ribs every single time. If you're not breaking ribs, you're doing it wrong. Guidelines call for a 2" depression of the chest for each compression at a rate of 100x/min.....that is cranking on a chest. I can only think that ribs won't be broke on the most obese of people, but even then they snap like potato chips. The worst is frail old people....I swear when you do the first one you'd think you were killing them....if they weren't already dead.

CPR is bad.... but its the only shot they got.

[matrix563]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commercial-S...item1e7217927b

anyone know of a better alternative? i want one with a large bar catch. the new york barbell one seems like the angle is wrong for the pad (could be a photo illusion) and its in white. if i can find the hammer strength one cheap i will get that but i'm still looking.

[fishpat86]

First of all, the statistics on "saving a life" are a moving target....because success depends on the definition of "still alive". I work as a paramedic and one of our cliche sayings is "....nobody dies in the back of the truck...." Its not just a cute little epithet thrown out there to be all "heroish"....what it means is that once we've made the decision to pick someone up out of their house and take them to the hospital....we absolutely will not pronounce anyone dead. They are going to get the full circle of treatment right up until the point that a doctor takes over in the ER.

Some studies rate success on delivery to the hospital with a pulse, some want the patient to be admitted to the hospital after a cardiac arrest, some measure how many walk out of the hospital, and others want to know how many are still alive a certain amount of time (say 30 days) after the event.

"Success" can be judged different ways since in essence...we're all dying, its just a matter of how quickly. I'd bet that a 1 in 10 "success" rate is fairly high, but I'm not certain because I've seen so many studies over the last 20 years. I think my fire department's success rate is over 20%.....but that's rating a pulse at the ED doors....which is ok, since that is really what our concern is....but the fact is that many of those "success's" don't ever get to see their loved ones again.


On the broken rib thing..... I've done CPR on lots of people, probably well over a hundred..... I have broken people's ribs every single time. If you're not breaking ribs, you're doing it wrong. Guidelines call for a 2" depression of the chest for each compression at a rate of 100x/min.....that is cranking on a chest. I can only think that ribs won't be broke on the most obese of people, but even then they snap like potato chips. The worst is frail old people....I swear when you do the first one you'd think you were killing them....if they weren't already dead.

CPR is bad.... but its the only shot they got.

So do the chest pumps and breaths serve the purpose of just oxygenating the blood and pumping it round the body rather than trying to kick start the heart?

[dumb.bell]

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Commercial-S...item1e7217927b

anyone know of a better alternative? i want one with a large bar catch. the new york barbell one seems like the angle is wrong for the pad (could be a photo illusion) and its in white. if i can find the hammer strength one cheap i will get that but i'm still looking.

I would look for used commercial. My favorite units are the standing or seated units made by bodymasters and Icarian.

[matrix563]

I would look for used commercial. My favorite units are the standing or seated units made by bodymasters and Icarian.

i would like a standing one but they never come on craigslists near me.

[ExtremistPullup]

I picked up 4 used red vtx bumper plates for 195$ I was going to get 2 more but they were already sold ill post pics tonight.

[rlundregan]

i would like a standing one but they never come on craigslists near me.

Check out the homemade equipment thread. I seem to recall someone making a preacher pad that mounted in their rack somehow, and they used the safeties to catch the bar. Of course, that's assuming that you want to use a straight bar (or at least a rackable bar), and that you aren't necessarily dying to have it as a separate piece.

[Keetman]

So do the chest pumps and breaths serve the purpose of just oxygenating the blood and pumping it round the body rather than trying to kick start the heart?

I assume you're talking about defibrillation when you say "...kick start the heart..."? Are you talking about when the provider puts the paddles on the victim's chest, yells "clear", and then gives them an electrical shock? If so, that is called defibrillation.

Its complicated, but defibrillation and CPR are not the same thing and one is not used in lieu of the other. If someone is in cardiac arrest, they are going to get CPR regardless. However, the EKG that we hook up to the patient shows us a rhythm (those little blips on the screen....that go "flat line" when somebody "dies" on tv). Some rhythms require that shock and some don't. We start cpr, hook up the EKG, analyze the rhythm, decide whether or not to shock, then we do some other stuff. Compression and ventilation are continued throughout and regardless.

A little more specific....yes, the breaths get oxygen into the bloodstream and the compression forces the circulation of the oxygenated blood. The "shock" or defibrillation stops the heart from doing funny stuff in the hopes that it will start up again in a more organized rhythm.

[jshpark]

My sports med prof told me they used to just hit people in the chest back in the days and hope for the best before the defib machines were created. Also, if you get hit in the chest just at a certain moment during the ekg rhythm, it can cause the rhythm to go haywire (commotio cordis). I know a kid in high school who died this way when being punked by an older student.

[fishpat86]

I assume you're talking about defibrillation when you say "...kick start the heart..."? Are you talking about when the provider puts the paddles on the victim's chest, yells "clear", and then gives them an electrical shock? If so, that is called defibrillation.

Its complicated, but defibrillation and CPR are not the same thing and one is not used in lieu of the other. If someone is in cardiac arrest, they are going to get CPR regardless. However, the EKG that we hook up to the patient shows us a rhythm (those little blips on the screen....that go "flat line" when somebody "dies" on tv). Some rhythms require that shock and some don't. We start cpr, hook up the EKG, analyze the rhythm, decide whether or not to shock, then we do some other stuff. Compression and ventilation are continued throughout and regardless.

A little more specific....yes, the breaths get oxygen into the bloodstream and the compression forces the circulation of the oxygenated blood. The "shock" or defibrillation stops the heart from doing funny stuff in the hopes that it will start up again in a more organized rhythm.

As in can cpr alone restart the heart beating on its own? Also, how do you decide how much of a shock to use, does it depend upon the size of the patient? or is there a set level that you start at and then increase the ampage til it works?

[Keetman]

My sports med prof told me they used to just hit people in the chest back in the days and hope for the best before the defib machines were created. Also, if you get hit in the chest just at a certain moment during the ekg rhythm, it can cause the rhythm to go haywire (commotio cordis). I know a kid in high school who died this way when being punked by an older student.

They did. I don't know the entire history, so I can't comment on things that were done pre-1993 or so, but that was utilized until a few years ago really. It was called a "precordial thump". In my original training, if you had a patient that went into cardiac arrest during your care, "witnessed arrest", you were supposed to ball up your fist and slam them hard in the chest. It was thought that it would cause some sort of spontaneous physical contraction of the heart if done early enough. I've done it a couple times....then brought the patient back with the defibrillator! Apparently they decided to just skip the thump, because now we go directly to a shock in a witnessed arrest....skipping the middle man .


I am familiar with the "commotio cordis" or at least casually. A young child in our area was struck with a pitched baseball some years ago and died as a result of this phenomenon. Many younger baseball players wear chest protectors for this very reason, although I believe its relatively rare. Its interesting that you put the precordial thump in the same discussion....as it is basically the same as giving a living, healthy heart a precordial thump.....and being at the very precise worse time that you could give it. Bad stuff.

Commotio cordis (Latin, "agitation of the heart") is an often lethal disruption of heart rhythm that occurs as a result of a blow to the area directly over the heart (the precordial region), at a critical time during the cycle of a heart beat. It is a form of ventricular fibrillation, not mechanical damage to the heart muscle or surrounding organs, and not the result of heart disease. The fatality rate is about 65%. It can sometimes, but not always, be reversed by defibrillation.[1]

Commotio cordis occurs mostly in boys and young men (average age 15), usually during sports, most often baseball, often despite a chest protector. It is most often caused by a projectile, but can also be caused by the blow of an elbow or other body part. Being less developed, the thorax of an adolescent is likely more prone to this injury given the circumstances.

The phenomenon was confirmed experimentally in the 1930s, with research in anaesthetized rabbits, cats and dogs.

As in can cpr alone restart the heart beating on its own? Also, how do you decide how much of a shock to use, does it depend upon the size of the patient? or is there a set level that you start at and then increase the ampage til it works?

Yes, CPR can start the heart on its own, that what I was saying. There are 10 or so rhythms (rough guess) that we are responsible for knowing....we hook the EKG up, diagnose the rhythm and treat accordingly. Some lethal rhythms get shocked, some don't, but all pulseless/non-breathing patients get CPR.

Has nothing to do with size, except when considering children versus adults. The measurement of the electricity is in joules and we give them typically in ascending strengths....approximately 200, 300, and 360 j's. There is some research that is moving us toward putting a second EKG monitor onto a patient and delivering over 700j's, but that isn't necessarily standard. Apparently there were some docs putting in pacemakers that had their patients go into fibrillation (bad rhythm) and it took that much to convert them....so they're trying to bring that information into the field.

[jshpark]

yea.. scary situation!

Have you guys had any negative experiences on craigslist in person or e-mail?

I remember once driving out 1-2 hours to the desert, literally in the middle of nowhere, for a deal on advertised 500+ lbs olympic weight set with, dumbbells, and a bench.

I naively paid the guy after checking out the dumbbells (not sure why I did this, I was in a hurry for a good deal I guess) and then discovered all the plates were standard and it was only 200ish lbs.. I felt like I wasted my time/gas driving out and asked for my money back.

He would not, told me that the deal was done, and that I should take it since I already drove out all this way. It was a pretty awkward situation as it was just the two of us in the middle of nowhere and I was pretty angry with the man.

I wasn't really sure what to do and I'm a pretty peaceful guy lol. After a bit of arguing, I just figured I would take it as a loss and take the stuff to flip and come up even. He ended up offering me something like $20 back and paid some of it in quarters..


next is a conversation I had with a guy through e-mail. Supposedly he is a member of these forums as well.. the ad is for 25-120 dumbbells with pictures only, no price, no location, no indication of increments

me: hi, how much are you selling your dumbbells for?
him: Which size or the whole set?

me: the whole set I guess. do you have a price per lb or something
him: 50 cent

me: oh ok thank you
him: So you'll take em all ? Right now? Ok where are you coming from ill give you directions

me: no sorry, i was just wondering your price because a lot of people are selling for 50 cents / lb right now
him: Ok how bout 10 cents a pound? That better for you?

me: not sure if you are serious or not but have a nice thanksgiving!
him: Ok,ok,then since its the holidays ill "give " em to you then you thank me ok? How's that? You seem like a cheap,I mean nice guy.you deserve them

me: lol i feel sad for you trying to start an argument over an e-mail. good luck in life buddy
him: I feel sad for you for having such a ****ed job that makes you a cheapskate.later you pauper.good luck scratchin and strugllin to survive dork.probrablly can only afford a turkey sandwich for the holidays you poor dork

[Northernmoris]

^^^ Lol..

I have a Deuch that keeps emailing me. He wanted a calf raise machine. Wanted me to meet him half way for extra money. With me kids I didnt have time and he got mad. At 10:30 at night I went to bed and the next morning I had a bunch of emails from him flipping out cause i didnt respond. Every once in a while he sends emails say lol you still have it blah blah bah. Says he flags all my ads.

Could care less. 3 days ago he sends a **** storm of emails. if you were flexible blah blah blah. I told him to shove flexible up his ass. Now he emails me calling me a white bitch.. He from the Bronx.. What ever..

[Keetman]

Those are two pretty crappy stories. I'm not sure what I would've done in the first case, that's pretty ballsy to just say "No, the deals done" when you're right there. I'm not that peaceful of a guy....so I probably would've gotten into it with him. Problem is....I'm no billy bad ass, so I'd probably have gotten my ass kicked too . Oh well, wouldn't have been the first time!

Your phone situation is just pathetic. Its sad that people like that aren't the ones to get toenail cancer and rot away for years having nothing but pain, agony, and foot pus to look forward to for the rest of their miserable existence. If I were the President...its people like this that I would cull.....the world needs far more culling.

I had a guy call me at 11:30 pm one night in response to an ad. He was the second caller and I'd promised it to the first guy. When I tell someone I'll hold it for them, I do, period. So, this jackass calls me at 11:30 and wants to know if he can buy the items, I said no because I was holding it, but I'd take his number in case the deal fell through (which they often do). He was like "well, what if I come over now?"....I told him that wasn't going to happen anyway, but even if it was a possibility, I wouldn't go back on my word. He said "what about first come first serve?"....I said this wasn't walmart and I'd told the guy. He persisted a little more telling me how other people had done it for him in the past. I was really growing tired of his nonsense, but I still told him no and that I'd call him if things changed. During my last explanation to him....he'd apparently had enough and just hung up.

I couldn't believe he'd had the audacity to call at almost midnight, be rude to me and ask me to be rude to someone else, then top it all off by hanging up on me. I saved his number in my phone (I think its still there) as the "Craigslist *******" so I'd know if he ever called me on that phone again. Ironically....the original deal fell through and I sold the stuff to the third caller. It just doesn't pay to be a douchbag most of the time.



Oh....another time I put an ad up for some firearm accessories...no gun. A dude called me and was kind of abrupt....wanted to know if I had the gun that went with the stuff. I said "no". He then asked if I had any other guns for sale and I said "no". He said "alright, I guess I'll buy your stuff then"...it didn't sound like he was committed and when I started to give him directions he told me he was from about an hour away. I was amazed he wanted to come that far for like $30 worth of pieces parts and I started to ask him if he was sure or if he wanted me to ship them to him. He got real aggressive and was like "I said I'd take your ****, what else do you want?". It was real strange.

When he got to my house, he was acting real peculiar. He looked at the box of stuff and acted really pissed off about what was in it. I couldn't understand why because it was a small box of stuff and it was exactly what was in the picture I'd put on the website. He practically threw the money at me, grabbed the box, and stormed off to the car. It was just bizarre....I assumed he had been hoping I was using code to sell a gun...but I wasn't. I almost stopped him to see what the issue was, but it dawned on me I had his money, my stuff was gone, and he was leaving. Challenging him further seemed counter-intuitive since I really just wanted him off my property....and it appeared that's what he was doing.


People are odd and stupid..... and pains in the ass.... more of them should just die.

[ExtremistPullup]

Used VTX bumpers dollar a lb I wanted 2 more but they were spoken for.

NSFW

[rthawker]

People are odd and stupid..... and pains in the ass.... more of them should just die.

I think you found your new sig.

[SDSammy]

Have you guys had any negative experiences on craigslist in person or e-mail?

About a year ago, I was selling an iPad (new but open) that was given to me. Guy contacts me, is persistent about me delivering it to him, willing to pay me to do so. I stick with meeting up at my designated place. Supposed to meet up early but at the last minute, he calls me to tell me he can't meet up until later (at night).

Later he contacts me and asks if I can meet him half way this way we can get the deal done earlier. I tell him that I cant and don't mind meeting up later than we had agreed on (again). He then asks me for the address and cross streets. I don't think he wrote them down before hoping I'd meet him at his choice of location.

Soon after I get to the agreed upon location, he texts me and says he is at the shopping center but can't find where I'm at. I write that I'm over near the PD station, then waited figuring he'd arrive shortly. After a few minutes I call him and get sent to voice mail. I text him and eventually get a reply. He tells me something has come up and he isn't going to be able to meet up with me.

[ProtienandIron]

Damn you guys have had some bad experiences. The constant problems I get are people on ebay bidding on my heavy local pickup items from miles away. I sold an electric guitar and had a guy from Dublin that decided it was a bargain and won it thinking the delivery was included. This has happened many times with my various gym items. When I was selling a very heavy duty punchbag frame I had a guy from the Bronx that wanted me to ship it there. I can't remember the full contents of the discussion but I ended up blocking him because of it.

Keetmans idea of a cull is a good one.