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    More support for pro powerlifting and pro strongman

    What would it take for there to be more money and sponsorship involved in powerlifting and strongman so that the pro's wouldn't have to do gigs on the side? It seems powerlifting and strongman need their own Arnold Schwarzenegger's to champion them into bigger money like he did for bodybuilding prize money. Is it because everyone wants to have their own federation in powerlifting or what?
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    Too much in-fighting in powerlifting, too little exposure and interest in strongman. There would have to be drastic changes in the federation system for powerlifting to become profitable. That's not to say attempts have not been made to increase prize money, but those shows are few and far between. As for strongman, nobody in the general public knows what the tits we are or how the sport works. Most of my close friends have a good idea, but I run into a lot of people who ask me when my next 'Toughman' show will be. Hell, I even run into people who think I'm some kind of crossfitter. Nothing entirely wrong with that, but when a sport established in the late 70's gets pushed onto the back-burner on major sports networks for a competitive fad that showed up just a couple years ago, you know there's a problem.

    I guess the main point is that strength has been stigmatized in recent years due to drug scandals and a general distrust of the larger framed athletes. There's a lot that we can do as strength athletes within the system, but until we begin to reach out to the public at large these two sports will continue at the same minimal rate.
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    And support the people who currently support the sports.
    If they grow it will either be
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    Acouple of things:

    1. Get every powerlifter off the internet.
    2. Destroy every federation but one.
    3. Drugtesting that actually works.
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    Originally Posted by HamburgerTrain View Post
    Acouple of things:

    1. Get every powerlifter off the internet.
    2. Destroy every federation but one.
    I agree.

    One superfed.
    raw, single, multi
    multi allowed mono raw and single are not
    real judging
    tested and non-tested division

    Yes its more divisions but when its only 1 organization overall competition will be higher

    It'll never happen though so why bother to think about it
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    Originally Posted by Torrtrefireto View Post
    I agree.

    One superfed.
    raw, single, multi
    multi allowed mono raw and single are not
    real judging
    tested and non-tested division

    Yes its more divisions but when its only 1 organization overall competition will be higher

    It'll never happen though so why bother to think about it
    I was hoping it could happen when one day they get sick enough of the way things are to settle their differences and establish a super-federation. It happened to bodybuilding so it could perhaps happen to powerlifting and strongman too but it would probably require a super-entrepreneur like Arnold Schwarzenegger
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    won't ever happen (at least in America)

    Americans just don't give a **** about powerlifting, strongman, or weightlifting.
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    Originally Posted by Team Benchpress View Post
    It happened to bodybuilding so it could perhaps happen to powerlifting and strongman too but it would probably require a super-entrepreneur like Arnold Schwarzenegger
    It only happened in bb because of Weider's money. Without the money from retail sales and the magazine, it wouldn't have happened. Weider created Arnold and put him in the media. (but Arnold was the right man for the job, not bashing him)
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    Agree with hamburger, turtle, and lifter. Need someone(s) with the money, need to drastically reduce federations at least at the national and world level, and judging has to match what the rule book says. A TV announcer will have a hard time explaining how the rules say one thing and many high squats getting passed. Having a couple controversial calls is one thing and could make good tv but the majority won't fly.
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    Originally Posted by WHT_LIGHTNING View Post
    won't ever happen (at least in America)

    Americans just don't give a **** about powerlifting, strongman, or weightlifting.
    I do however recognize this fact.

    We can sit and talk all day about it but fact is that there will always be those who want to boast 'world record holder!' and when they aren't good enough to do it in this new superfed they'll just make a new one so they can be world champion (SFWLPA) Sarasota Florida White Lightening's Powerlifting Association.... or whatever, its not like we can pass a law eliminating all other federations.
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    Originally Posted by Torrtrefireto View Post
    I do however recognize this fact.

    We can sit and talk all day about it but fact is that there will always be those who want to boast 'world record holder!' and when they aren't good enough to do it in this new superfed they'll just make a new one so they can be world champion (SFWLPA) Sarasota Florida White Lightening's Powerlifting Association.... or whatever, its not like we can pass a law eliminating all other federations.
    I think this goes hand in hand with the Where's the competition thread. I think powerlifting actually got to popular to fast in the 80's and the average joe found that they could get in and wanted to be number 1 with out fighting for it. Remeber the 80's was all about "me". Easy way to do that is just spin off another fed and track another set of records. Now there's just to many ego's.
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    Less weight classes. But not how the IPF did it where the got rid of a class no one was in (56) and left everything pretty much inchanged... till they got to the 100's and the 110's, mushed them together, and set that hilarious 120kg hw cap.

    No one gives a **** about light weights.

    I'll use proraw as a good example. 80 95 110 110+ kg classes. So less weight classes, more head to head competitions, aware announcers who know how to point out the competition.

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    I know this is a sensitive issue but my opinion is powerlifting will only become more popular to the general public if it goes down a tested and raw only route (belt, wrist wraps, knee sleeves). Everyone I have spoken to that doesn't do powerlifting doesn't understand why both untested and equipped lifting exist (which they see as fabricated/false strength that they can't relate to). Not trying to cause a **** storm so you equipped lifters know in advance.

    Other things: one fed, less weight classes (5-6 for men and women), more testing, stricter judging, all lifters ranked
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    everyone here has been to a powerlifting meet, ....... so yeah its pretty boring if you are a lifter, cant even imagine being a spectator only.

    1.) Testing that works
    2.) 2 Feds, 1 raw one geared
    3.) 2 attempts per lift instead of 3
    4.) make the event crowd friendly, instead of a deepheat and baby powder stinking cold ass room.
    5.) get money put a strongman like show on TV, no one wants to watch bars being loaded, they only want the highlights / top 3 per weight class on their screen.
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    I do however recognize this fact.

    We can sit and talk all day about it but fact is that there will always be those who want to boast 'world record holder!' and when they aren't good enough to do it in this new superfed they'll just make a new one so they can be world champion (SFWLPA) Sarasota Florida White Lightening's Powerlifting Association.... or whatever, its not like we can pass a law eliminating all other federations.
    true

    I do like the name of that new fed tho, lol
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    everyone here has been to a powerlifting meet, ....... so yeah its pretty boring if you are a lifter, cant even imagine being a spectator only.

    1.) Testing that works
    2.) 2 Feds, 1 raw one geared
    3.) 2 attempts per lift instead of 3
    4.) make the event crowd friendly, instead of a deepheat and baby powder stinking cold ass room.
    5.) get money put a strongman like show on TV, no one wants to watch bars being loaded, they only want the highlights / top 3 per weight class on their screen.
    - Testing can never work. Get rid of it all together.
    - 2 lifts is stupid. What you need is a super super fast loading crew. Our recent nationals the loaders were clocking an average of 10-15 second weight changes. I literally rack the bar and the crew already had the collars off. You need experienced loaders and you need to pay them to perform fast.
    - Crowd friendly requires more competition between lifters. Characters and stories and rivalries and friendships.
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    Don't really need to be crowd friendly either. Strong man is boring for a common spectator but editing makes it look go go go all the time on TV. The same can and has happened for powerlifting. TV audience is were the money is not the crowd. Get a TV audience then you'll get a crowd. ABC sports did a great job filming, editing, and announcing. You can watch it on YouTube.
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    Originally Posted by babylover View Post
    - Testing can never work. Get rid of it all together.
    - 2 lifts is stupid. What you need is a super super fast loading crew. Our recent nationals the loaders were clocking an average of 10-15 second weight changes. I literally rack the bar and the crew already had the collars off. You need experienced loaders and you need to pay them to perform fast.
    - Crowd friendly requires more competition between lifters. Characters and stories and rivalries and friendships.
    Totally agree with this. If WWE didn't have characters and stories it would be olympic wrestling. Since they do, it's a multi million dollar industry.
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    Originally Posted by Jason2459 View Post
    Don't really need to be crowd friendly either. Strong man is boring for a common spectator but editing makes it look go go go all the time on TV. The same can and has happened for powerlifting. TV audience is were the money is not the crowd. Get a TV audience then you'll get a crowd. ABC sports did a great job filming, editing, and announcing. You can watch it on YouTube.
    agreed here. WSM finals take two days, at several different locations. That sucks for the spectators who go to see it live.
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    The time and boring for spectators comments make me laugh. With good editing they make people sitting in tree stands waiting acceptable for TV. Fishing is successful as a TV show. With good production, lawnmowing could make it on TV.

    Drug testing in athletics is a joke, but it would probably need to be done (with a nod and a wink) to survive the political BS.

    It is all about money.

    What ever brand of PL (drug tested/not, multi/single ply or raw, etc) doesn't matter. If the money is there to buy TV time and give big enough payouts, that is the flavor that will win. Buying enough TV time to pull an audience is what is necessary to bring in the big sponsors that would be able to make PL a career.

    The other side of that sword is if there is that level of money, PL would lose the community aspect of the sport. The political BS necessary to keep the sponsors would be huge. The emphasis will shift to lighter weight classes because the heavy weights aren't as photogenic.
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