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    importance of carbs while cutting?

    I heard that carbs help to flush out the fat cells enabling you to see the fat you lost? Is that true? If not, than do carbs have any importance at all during cutting (aside from energy)?
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    Originally Posted by Adam8785 View Post
    I heard that carbs help to flush out the fat cells enabling you to see the fat you lost? Is that true? If not, than do carbs have any importance at all during cutting (aside from energy)?
    I've seen a lot of crazy comments/questions, but this one is up there with the best!!

    You need carbohydrates, the amount you eat depends on many variables such as energy needs, satiety, food preference etc.
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    Originally Posted by rand18m View Post
    I've seen a lot of crazy comments/questions, but this one is up there with the best!!

    You need carbohydrates, the amount you eat depends on many variables such as energy needs, satiety, food preference etc.
    You don't need carbs. It's a matter of preference.
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    Benefits of carbs imo = More energy, better tasting foods, more muscle volume.
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    Originally Posted by KingJames2012 View Post
    You don't need carbs. It's a matter of preference.
    You need carbs.. You just dont need to obtain it from the diet itself.
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    Originally Posted by gustavfors View Post
    You need carbs.. You just dont need to obtain it from the diet itself.
    Lol. One no you dont. Two please explain where you get carbs if not from your diet
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    Lol. One no you dont. Two please explain where you get carbs if not from your diet
    Not sure if serious? A few tissues of the body can only use glucose for fuel.
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    Originally Posted by gustavfors View Post
    Not sure if serious? A few tissues of the body can only use glucose for fuel.
    Carbs are a non essential macro. Please answer number 2
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    Originally Posted by KingJames2012 View Post
    You don't need carbs. It's a matter of preference.
    That's silliness! The body needs and produces glucose every second of every day. To suggest otherwise is, well, silliness!
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    Carbs are a non essential macro. Please answer number 2
    The term non-essential doesn’t mean that the nutrient isn’t essential for life, rather it’s not essential that the nutrient is obtained from the diet itself. The body is able to produce some carbohydrate from the breakdown of other nutrients in a process called gluconeogenesis.

    Btw you are just embarrassing.
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    Originally Posted by gustavfors View Post
    The term non-essential doesn’t mean that the nutrient isn’t essential for life, rather it’s not essential that the nutrient is obtained from the diet itself. The body is able to produce some carbohydrate from the breakdown of other nutrients in a process called gluconeogenesis.

    Btw you are just embarrassing.
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    Originally Posted by Adam8785 View Post
    I heard that carbs help to flush out the fat cells enabling you to see the fat you lost?
    I'm just trying to visualize this taking place and it's making me laugh.
    No need to over-think this lifting weights business.
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    Like I said its non essential. See Keto
    I think you're getting low carb and no carb mixed up.
    No need to over-think this lifting weights business.
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    Also worth pointing out is that if a person participates in high intensity exercise it may increase carbohydrate needs beyond what the body can make which puts carbohydrates into the essential category.
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    Like I said its non essential. See Keto
    Ignorant fool, please go.
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    Originally Posted by psychodiver9 View Post
    Like I said its non essential. See Keto
    Quoted again for emphasis. Carbs aren't essential.

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    Ignorant fool, please go.
    Ok fine, show me some research where it states carbs are essential. I'll wait...
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    Ignorant fool, please go.
    Why you mad bro?
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    Originally Posted by Adam8785 View Post
    I heard that carbs help to flush out the fat cells enabling you to see the fat you lost? Is that true? If not, than do carbs have any importance at all during cutting (aside from energy)?
    No.

    Regarding cutting, carbs do not have much of an importance, a part from providing a glycogen supply within our muscles. When you're on a lowcarb diet your insulin sensitivity increases, which means that less insulin secretion is required to result in the same cellular response. This is great because high insulin levels are positively correlated to increased fat storage, which is what you DON'T want. So I'd advise a low carb diet if you're considering cutting.
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    Originally Posted by KingJames2012 View Post
    Quoted again for emphasis. Carbs aren't essential.



    Ok fine, show me some research where it states carbs are essential. I'll wait...
    Again carbs are essential for life since there are a few tissues that can only use glucose as fuel. However its not essential to obtain carbs from your diet since your body is able to produce some carbohydrate from the breakdown of other nutrients.

    "In short, to be considered essential, a nutrient must meet two primary criteria:
    That nutrient is required for survival
    That nutrient cannot be made in sufficient quantities (or at all) by the body"

    Since your body can produce carbohydrates it is not considered essential but to say that your body doesnt need carbs is foolish.
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    When refering to nutrients essential means that they are both required for life and general metabolic functions and, not or, the body cannot make it from another substance. While glucose (one type of carb) is essential for life... dietary carbs are not. Therefore carbs are not considered to be an essential nutrient. The body can covert up to 42% of protein eaten into glucose and around 10% of dietary fat into glucose.

    Now all of that being said, having used a number of different methods for cutting I find moderate carb intake to yield the best results in terms of rapid loss of fat and maintaing muscle, energy and gym performance. Low carb = in ability to do large volumes of intense lifting... if carbs go too high I can't drop cals low enough to lose fat rapidly without sacrificing some protein, which could risk loss of muscle mass in a large deficit. Find your personal sweet spot in your macro calculations and based on how you feel when cutting on this one.
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    so whats the point of refeeds?
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    Originally Posted by JasonDB View Post
    When refering to nutrients essential means that they are both required for life and general metabolic functions and, not or, the body cannot make it from another substance. While glucose (one type of carb) is essential for life... dietary carbs are not. Therefore carbs are not considered to be an essential nutrient. The body can covert up to 42% of protein eaten into glucose and around 10% of dietary fat into glucose.

    Now all of that being said, having used a number of different methods for cutting I find moderate carb intake to yield the best results in terms of rapid loss of fat and maintaing muscle, energy and gym performance. Low carb = in ability to do large volumes of intense lifting... if carbs go too high I can't drop cals low enough to lose fat rapidly without sacrificing some protein, which could risk loss of muscle mass in a large deficit. Find your personal sweet spot in your macro calculations and based on how you feel when cutting on this one.
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    Originally Posted by Adam8785 View Post
    so whats the point of refeeds?
    efeed can help improve your situation especially if you have low leptin levels and a slower metabolism.
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