**NMisc Summer Transformation Chat Thread**

[AdamWW]

I just joined in. Photos just uploaded. I'm coming for you bulkers.

brbapplyingfreshpeppertoangus

[DTrulez616]

I just subbed to about a dozen different logs just now because of this contest. Good luck to everyone!

[axxlef]

Photos up starting weight 208lbs. lets have fun with this good luck people.

[SimonThePieman]

just finished my last binge for the competition, there is no more chocolate and wine left in the house

[psychodiver9]

just finished my last binge for the competition, there is no more chocolate and wine left in the house

Today is my last diet break too

[mattypoole]

Today is my last diet break too

+1

Although next weekend away wining & dining with the missus was probably bad timing (but meh, will just keep the first week as a recomp ").

[psychodiver9]

+1

Although next weekend away wining & dining with the missus was probably bad timing (but meh, will just keep the first week as a recomp ").

Just run a higher deficit during the week if you know it'll be a bad weekend

[tsrobfl]

just found a big steep hill to do sprints on... Six pack here I come. Cutters watch out

[illiniStrive]

What are ya'll eating for dinner? I seemed to have spent my creative energy on brunch, yet somehow have a decent amount of cals left.

Ideas?

[Leprechauns1021]

Competitor List
Perpetual Motion
DDon1996
Leprechauns1021
chichinnn
MiscDemeanor
JasonDB
TZA13
PhiSig2298
Flyin Ryan
tsrobfl
arlana09
fitnessfreak6
AdamWW
cgattshall
illiniStrive
Mitchapalooza
DTrulez616
FenderElectrics
NaLLa8705
JHarden
Mattypoole
axxlef
SimonThePieman



Prizes
1) $150 to the top two transformations. Donated by PBateman2 and his sponsors, A1 Supplements and FitGR
2) $25 donated by AdamWW
3) tub of protein powder (TBD) donated by MarkVI


Picture Thread
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=145101251[/QUOTE]

[SimonThePieman]

Competitor List
Perpetual Motion
DDon1996
Leprechauns1021
chichinnn
MiscDemeanor
JasonDB
TZA13
PhiSig2298
Flyin Ryan
tsrobfl
arlana09
fitnessfreak6
AdamWW
cgattshall
illiniStrive
Mitchapalooza
DTrulez616
FenderElectrics
NaLLa8705
JHarden
Mattypoole
axxlef




Prizes
1) $150 to the top two transformations. Donated by PBateman2 and his sponsors, A1 Supplements and FitGR
2) $25 donated by AdamWW
3) tub of protein powder (TBD) donated by MarkVI


Picture Thread
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=145101251

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Add me to the list dude

[AdamWW]

Alex better hope I win to avoid paying shipping

[MiscDemeanor]

Is anyone taking progress pics along the way and posting them in their log/bodyspace? Would it be more impressive to see before and after or the gradual change?

Also, for those who are cutting, do you plan on having a refeed day or will you be at a caloric deficit the whole time? Pondering if I should even have a refeed...

[illiniStrive]

Is anyone taking progress pics along the way and posting them in their log/bodyspace? Would it be more impressive to see before and after or the gradual change?

Also, for those who are cutting, do you plan on having a refeed day or will you be at a caloric deficit the whole time? Pondering if I should even have a refeed...

1. Probably. My log is 'hidden' (not really, lol) so I don't think it's going to change the before/after effect really.

2. No refeeds as of yet. Someone like you probably could benefit from 1 or even 2 a week since you're much leaner.

[Lvisaa2]

Is anyone taking progress pics along the way and posting them in their log/bodyspace? Would it be more impressive to see before and after or the gradual change?

Also, for those who are cutting, do you plan on having a refeed day or will you be at a caloric deficit the whole time? Pondering if I should even have a refeed...

In the end, you'll be judged on the change from before/after. If it helps you to see the daily/weekly progress then go ahead. I take pictures relatively often. It helps me to get away from the mental games. It is a lot easier to see you are getting leaner in pictures compared to the mirror.

[MiscDemeanor]

1. Probably. My log is 'hidden' (not really, lol) so I don't think it's going to change the before/after effect really.

2. No refeeds as of yet. Someone like you probably could benefit from 1 or even 2 a week since you're much leaner.

I probably shouldn't say this, but I just ate one whole pint of B&J's Half Baked (today is my refeed btw) bc I just wanted to know what the big deal was with this icecream. I've done the whole refeed thing in the past and usually see a sudden drop in weight and bf like 2-3 days later. At one point I lost 3% bf in 2 weeks after a refeed so I'm a believer. We'll see how it goes and I hope I didn't goof

[Leprechauns1021]

Is anyone taking progress pics along the way and posting them in their log/bodyspace? Would it be more impressive to see before and after or the gradual change?

Also, for those who are cutting, do you plan on having a refeed day or will you be at a caloric deficit the whole time? Pondering if I should even have a refeed...

I'll probably be taking weekly pics. I like to see the gradual weekly change over time. It also keeps me honest knowing that there will be pics every week.

My refeed is just 1x week where I go out to eat and don't worry about cals/macros. I don't gorge, but I eat whatever I feel like and enjoy the company of friends. Not physically optimal, but its psychologically optimal for me.

[Leprechauns1021]

Add me to the list dude[/QUOTE]
Ahh my bad, didn't see your pics. I'll edit you in.

[MiscDemeanor]

In the end, you'll be judged on the change from before/after. If it helps you to see the daily/weekly progress then go ahead. I take pictures relatively often. It helps me to get away from the mental games. It is a lot easier to see you are getting leaner in pictures compared to the mirror.

I usually take pics just for myself but was debating whether or not to post them here. It also helps me a lot to see the timeline of progress because you're right with the mirror, very hard to see gradual changes.

[MiscDemeanor]

I'll probably be taking weekly pics. I like to see the gradual weekly change over time. It also keeps me honest knowing that there will be pics every week.

My refeed is just 1x week where I go out to eat and don't worry about cals/macros. I don't gorge, but I eat whatever I feel like and enjoy the company of friends. Not physically optimal, but its psychologically optimal for me.

I used to do the once a week thing but realized it wasn't getting me where I wanted to be. I'm doing it once every two weeks now but I'm kind of scared to experiment with it during this challenge

[SimonThePieman]

What are ya'll eating for dinner? I seemed to have spent my creative energy on brunch, yet somehow have a decent amount of cals left.

Ideas?

last supper was pretty healthy. lamb steaks with griddled egg plant, the 2 packs of ferero roche, chocolate and red wine might not have been

Is anyone taking progress pics along the way and posting them in their log/bodyspace? Would it be more impressive to see before and after or the gradual change?

Also, for those who are cutting, do you plan on having a refeed day or will you be at a caloric deficit the whole time? Pondering if I should even have a refeed...

I will probably take monthly pics, but might not post them until after the competition. I quite like seeing the start and finish and admiring the big change inbetween.

Refeeds are a big part of diet. I'm doing to run some heavy deficits with big refeeds on a saturday. My theories are pretty much broscience (as there no decent studies in that area and i can only speculate), but i think that method is better than a daily deficit of the same amount.

I will be running a few different protocols so i will see how different things work for me

[Leprechauns1021]

I used to do the once a week thing but realized it wasn't getting me where I wanted to be. I'm doing it once every two weeks now but I'm kind of scared to experiment with it during this challenge

True, every week, 2 weeks or month all work. I did mine weekly to get in posing practice too, so thats the main reason I did weekly pics.

[MiscDemeanor]

I will probably take monthly pics, but might not post them until after the competition. I quite like seeing the start and finish and admiring the big change inbetween.

Refeeds are a big part of diet. I'm doing to run some heavy deficits with big refeeds on a saturday. My theories are pretty much broscience (as there no decent studies in that area and i can only speculate), but i think that method is better than a daily deficit of the same amount.

I will be running a few different protocols so i will see how different things work for me

Yeah I've heard about it here and there and from some people here mentioning the benefits but the only proof I have are my results for since February. I fudged up right after the 100k challenge ended and ate a whole house. That would explain why I look the way I do in my before pics, lol. I've been at a pretty big deficit for a while so definitely wanted a refeed today...tell me how yours works for you

[necon76]

I used to do the once a week thing but realized it wasn't getting me where I wanted to be. I'm doing it once every two weeks now but I'm kind of scared to experiment with it during this challenge

The leaner you get, the more frequently you can refeed & benefit from them.

Start fortnightly, then every 10 days, then weekly as you progress.

[Ondemand]

The leaner you get, the more frequently you can refeed & benefit from them.

Start fortnightly, then every 10 days, then weekly as you progress.

I still don't believe refeeding does sh!t other than giving an energy boost for a few days. What I think is that people say you need to refeed more when you're leaner because you can't have a big deficit then without losing a lot of muscle so the increased refeeding is just reducing the overall deficit. So basically you would get the same results keeping a consistent yet smaller deficit when leaner.

Thoughts?

[MiscDemeanor]

The leaner you get, the more frequently you can refeed & benefit from them.

Start fortnightly, then every 10 days, then weekly as you progress.

This totally confused me. If you have links to anything I'll be more than happy to read them. Anything from Alan or Lyle?

[SimonThePieman]

Yeah I've heard about it here and there and from some people here mentioning the benefits but the only proof I have are my results for since February. I fudged up right after the 100k challenge ended and ate a whole house. That would explain why I look the way I do in my before pics, lol. I've been at a pretty big deficit for a while so definitely wanted a refeed today...tell me how yours works for you

i might start documenting my diet in my log as well, just to piss of the section of IIFYM that just parrot "calculate you maintenance and subtract 500 cals whilst quoting generic fat requirements"

brb 2 days of trace fat and 2.5K cal deficit and still retaining muscle

[Lvisaa2]

I still don't believe refeeding does sh!t other than giving an energy boost for a few days. What I think is that people say you need to refeed more when you're leaner because you can't have a big deficit then without losing a lot of muscle so the increased refeeding is just reducing the overall deficit. So basically you would get the same results keeping a consistent yet smaller deficit when leaner.

Thoughts?

Hormonal effect? Very little and it dissipates quickly. Mental effect? Hugeeeeee. Plus it helps keep intensity going strong in the gym.

I think there is something to be said for working through most of your glycogen stores and then topping them off with a refeed(note: I'm using refeed to mean carb-up, I think it is much more beneficial physiologically that way than just a 'free' meal with whatever macros).

[MITCHAPAL00ZA]

i might start documenting my diet in my log as well, just to piss of the section of IIFYM that just parrot "calculate you maintenance and subtract 500 cals whilst quoting generic fat requirements"

brb 2 days of trace fat and 2.5K cal deficit and still retaining muscle

no one ever said not hitting your fat macros for a few days would be detrimental IIRC + I've always thought deficit at the end of the week is more important than daily deficit...its long term that it starts to become an issue

[MiscDemeanor]

Shouldn't I have a refeed/high carb day less frequently since I'm a girl? I mean, our bodies work differently. I'm not supposed to have really low bf so it's even harder to lose it. Just sayin'

I feel like I'm overcomplicating things