***Official 2012 NHL Offeason Thread (We Know That Feel)***

[ChaseW]

Offseason talk for those less fortunate.

[compan]

Know that feel Leafs fans

[cadetduke]

So let's say Semin is on the market. Where's a good fit?

The Blues need some offense

[brb_ballin]

Leafs fan checking in.

[JrM703]

Capitals fan here. O boy, what a mess.

[curtstyle24]

Flyers fan...same ole story. I did read that Semins agent said he was not returning to washington. Havent been able to look at the league in depth since the big collapse...so not sure where he would fit best

[thegenerel]

So let's say Semin is on the market. Where's a good fit?

The Blues need some offense

a tube sock or the KHL

[brb_ballin]

where do you guys think the big targets land:

Semin:
Suter:
Parise:
Luongo:
Nash:



IMO:

Semin: Detroit
Suter: Philly
Parise: Jersey
Luongo: Toronto
Nash: Rangers

[EastCoastNiner]

I was about to get into an argument on hfboards about this question.

If you have the choice, would you rather get Semin or Radulov in FA? You can answer it just based on the player, or you can also factor in potential cap hits and other criteria.

A lot of people seem to think that Semin doesn't care or try all the time, but personally, I think that's a bunch of crap.

[brb_ballin]

I was about to get into an argument on hfboards about this question.

If you have the choice, would you rather get Semin or Radulov in FA? You can answer it just based on the player, or you can also factor in potential cap hits and other criteria.

A lot of people seem to think that Semin doesn't care or try all the time, but personally, I think that's a bunch of crap.

both of them are offensively minded and don't always give 100%... to me you have to go Semin as Radulov is a huge flight risk.

if it was player for player all things equal I would take Radulov cause I personally like him better.

either way, Russians gonna Russian

[EastCoastNiner]

I would take Semin, even though I know Radulov has immense talent.

Semin can skate, pass, shoot like no one else, and plays a sound defensive game. He's leaving Washington because he wants to be used in more situations, and that includes PK.

I can't say enough about his shot. I'd love to have him along side Seguin..........

[thegenerel]

where do you guys think the big targets land:

Semin:
Suter:
Parise:
Luongo:
Nash:



IMO:

Semin: Detroit
Suter: Philly
Parise: Jersey
Luongo: Toronto
Nash: Rangers

I think Suter replaces Lidstrom in Detroit. Unless the Flyers dump half their roster I dont see how they end up with Suter, his salary would put them right up against a $69M cap and that would mean Jagr, Voracek, Carle all leave.

[brb_ballin]

I think Suter replaces Lidstrom in Detroit. Unless the Flyers dump half their roster I dont see how they end up with Suter, his salary would put them right up against a $69M cap and that would mean Jagr, Voracek, Carle all leave.

well Im assuming Pronger will announce his retirement. There is very little chance he makes it back.. so wouldn't his 4.9 be off the books? Suter would take one of Carle's spot

Suter - Timonen
Meszaros - Coburn
Bourdon - Grossman

[989sports]

well Im assuming Pronger will announce his retirement. There is very little chance he makes it back.. so wouldn't his 4.9 be off the books? Suter would take one of Carle's spot

Suter - Timonen
Meszaros - Coburn
Bourdon - Grossman

Pretty sure that even if Pronger retires his cap hit remains for the length of the contract.

[EastCoastNiner]

well Im assuming Pronger will announce his retirement. There is very little chance he makes it back.. so wouldn't his 4.9 be off the books? Suter would take one of Carle's spot

Suter - Timonen
Meszaros - Coburn
Bourdon - Grossman

His $4.9 mil cap hit would remain through 2016-2017 if he retires.

[brb_ballin]

w

His $4.9 mil cap hit would remain through 2016-2017 if he retires.

wow thats brutal..

[thegenerel]

w

wow thats brutal..

That is part of the 35 and older rules to prevent teams from signing old guys to really long deals to lower their cap hit. Im pretty sure that LTIR and guys sent to the minors are counted on the opening day rosters too.

[brb_ballin]

That is part of the 35 and older rules to prevent teams from signing old guys to really long deals to lower their cap hit. Im pretty sure that LTIR and guys sent to the minors are counted on the opening day rosters too.

ohhh ok ya that makes sense with the 35+ but for anyone that signs before then if they retire the cap hit is gone, correct?


EDIT: post 18,000.... good god.

[VTheKing]

Canucks fan checking in.

Can't wait until GM's start trading so the goalie dilemma can end. Don't care about which one we keep so long as the team gets a fitting return.

Word is that Vokoun is going to play in the KHL next season so that will thin the goalie market a bit.

[Ralph Wiggum]

Things I want Philly to do.

Trade for Suter's rights and offer him one of those contracts that the Flyers love to give out (8+ years with a NMC). Nashville will be very open to this considering Detroit is in their division.

See ya Carle, Kubina, and maybe Jagr (would sign for the right price).

Laperriere and Betts contracts are finally off the books. Lilja is leaving the team on his own to go play in Sweden so thats another million off the cap.

Pronger will not retire. He would be stupid to retire and stop taking that paycheck.

Re-sign Voracek. Trade JVR and Bobrovsky.

There is talks of an Amnesty in the upcoming CBA. Use that on Bryzgalov after next year if he is inconsistent again.

[Iron121]

Canucks fan checking in



fire AV and I'm happy

[nyr469]

That is part of the 35 and older rules to prevent teams from signing old guys to really long deals to lower their cap hit. Im pretty sure that LTIR and guys sent to the minors are counted on the opening day rosters too.

yeah each summer he would come back on the cap and count until camp when he can be sent down/put back on LTIR. under the current cba the summer cap has a 10% cushion so that would just eat away at that extra space and the flexibility you have...

but the flyers could also benefit from another amnesty buyout period when the new cba is place that will allow teams to get rid of contracts without the dead cap space that normally comes with a buyout. it might cost them more in terms of real $$ up front but would get rid of the cap hit.

[nyr469]

I would take Semin, even though I know Radulov has immense talent.

Semin can skate, pass, shoot like no one else, and plays a sound defensive game. He's leaving Washington because he wants to be used in more situations, and that includes PK.

I can't say enough about his shot. I'd love to have him along side Seguin..........

a drastic difference in cap hits might change my mind but between the 2 i'd take semin 100 out of 100 times. semin is a more dynamic offensive players and all the negatives about him being lazy, etc can be said about radulov plus radulov has already shown he will bail on his team and flee to russia the first time things don't go his way.

[thegenerel]

yeah each summer he would come back on the cap and count until camp when he can be sent down/put back on LTIR. under the current cba the summer cap has a 10% cushion so that would just eat away at that extra space and the flexibility you have...

but the flyers could also benefit from another amnesty buyout period when the new cba is place that will allow teams to get rid of contracts without the dead cap space that normally comes with a buyout. it might cost them more in terms of real $$ up front but would get rid of the cap hit.

an amnesty would be stupid. it would only encourage teams to deal out risky contracts. the NHL is already making it too easy to get out from under bad deals as budget teams need to take on salary to reach the floor.

[TheGoldenGoal87]

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/...-summer-center

J.Staal to the Leafs?? I would pretty much give up a package of anything that didn't include our first this year, Gardiner, Kessel....Scheen + Kadri and a prospect seems fair.

[nyr469]

an amnesty would be stupid. it would only encourage teams to deal out risky contracts. the NHL is already making it too easy to get out from under bad deals as budget teams need to take on salary to reach the floor.

i expect the cap floor to be lowered to help teams hurt by being forced to spend to a certain point...

but the buyout thing will depend on what the new cap is. if the cap stays were it is then you don't need to do anything, but if the cap goes down you need to either have another rollback (which means no hockey next year) or some way to get rid of contracts to get under the new limits. they had both last time the lockout ended

[thegenerel]

http://triblive.com/sports/penguins/...-summer-center

J.Staal to the Leafs?? I would pretty much give up a package of anything that didn't include our first this year, Gardiner, Kessel....Scheen + Kadri and a prospect seems fair.

Pens would not do Schenn+Kadri+prospect. since no deal will happen without him signing a long term contract, you have to think he would net close to what Richards did. getting Staal without giving up the 5th pick is pretty wishful thinking.

and the guy who wrote that article is a moron. most of the sports writers in Pittsburgh are crap.

[lolgreg]

Been in on this thread since '04

[Jaroctor]

In for the habs.

[AFSFK]

In for Wild/Caps

Maybe next year