If it fits your macros is HUGE misunderstanding. Nutrious food is always better.

[Ajaro]

No, this is why I listen to my doctors and not some guy on the internet. You're going to make the worlds ****tiest dietitian.

Client: Jason, I have chrons disease and need some guidance.
Jason: Eat pizza and take your supplements and that's all that matters. There is no unhealthy food.

Lol, the fact that you have people that listen to you is just crazy.

more strawmen.

[JasonDB]

No, this is why I listen to my doctors and not some guy on the internet. You're going to make the worlds ****tiest dietitian.

Client: Jason, I have chrons disease and need some guidance.
Jason: Eat pizza and take your supplements and that's all that matters. There is no unhealthy food.

Lol, the fact that you have people that listen to you is just crazy.

Strawman.

You've clearly not watched any of my videos on the topic or you would not have made this statement as I pretty regularly address food interances and allergies.

However I do have a video that is a wonderful reply to your statements.

[midcoastking33]

No, this is why I listen to my doctors and not some guy on the internet. You're going to make the worlds ****tiest dietitian.

Client: Jason, I have chrons disease and need some guidance.
Jason: Eat pizza and take your supplements and that's all that matters. There is no unhealthy food.

Lol, the fact that you have people that listen to you is just crazy.

strong argument genius, that's like saying dairy is bad because some people are lactose intolerant. In terms of individuals without pre existing conditions there is zero evidence that micronutrients improve or inhibit calorie partitioning or overall metabolism short of a vast deficiency.

the fact that you joined in 2005 but still have no reasoning skills related to the topics of this site is baffling

[n0useforaname]

Holy crap on multiple things...

1. Holy old thread batman.....
2. Welcome back Pug!
3. Who really honestly thinks the OP is a nutrition genius? The guys is clearly a moron and can barely type a sentence without sounding like a neanderthal. Responding to him directly in this thread is like feeding a retarded squirrel nuts.. he'll never go away.
4. How do people still not clearly understand IIFYM?

[WonderPug]

4. How do people still not clearly understand IIFYM?

I've been asking myself that question for quite some time now.

[JasonDB]

4. How do people still not clearly understand IIFYM?

Scarey isn't it.

[Charontes]

Strawman.

However I do have a video that is a wonderful reply to your statements.

Oh, well a video. That proves everything.

Lol, videos. Well, BB.com is the youtube of fitness boards. Can't expect that demographic to actually read something, now can we.

[JasonDB]

Oh, well a video. That proves everything.

Lol, videos. Well, BB.com is the youtube of fitness boards. Can't expect that demographic to actually read something, now can we.

If you looked at your claims regarding what you thought I was saying and read the video title, "Extremists and morons why we can't have nice things in the online fitness community" you might have realized I made a video due to people like you on forums & youtube in the online fitness community.

[n0useforaname]

Oh, well a video. That proves everything.

Lol, videos. Well, BB.com is the youtube of fitness boards. Can't expect that demographic to actually read something, now can we.

Actually, I've been here since March/April browsing and I don't think anyone ever linked me to a video... only articles, studies, and things with words...

[Chuck2600]

Op this might come to a shock for you but surprisingly your body doesn't recognize foods by their name.

[germaine07]

Oh, well a video. That proves everything.

Lol, videos. Well, BB.com is the youtube of fitness boards. Can't expect that demographic to actually read something, now can we.

You are ignorant. Look it up.

Now please go.

[SilverSpork]

Your "look at how great a physique I have" post implies if I can find a pic of someone with a better physique who IIFYM's that this is more beneficial than eating a nutrient-only dense diet.

Not a good idea.

Oh ****.

I eat healthy because I feel better, regardless whether or not it effects my body comp.

Do what the **** you want to do though.

[JasonDB]

Oh ****.

I eat healthy because I feel better, regardless whether or not it effects my body comp.

Do what the **** you want to do though.

Do you actually eat healthy or do you just try to stick to a list of foods that you consider healthy and practice food avoidance by avoiding foods you consider unhealthy?

While the two are not mutually exclusive most people only fall in one of those two above categories.

[psychodiver9]

Pop tarts = PR's... this is a well known fact.

I ate poptarts this am and missed a PR attempt. Screw your Iifym mumbo jumbo

[JasonDB]

I ate poptarts this am and missed a PR attempt. Screw your Iifym mumbo jumbo

Correlation =/= causation.

[midcoastking33]

Oh ****.

I eat healthy because I feel better, regardless whether or not it effects my body comp.

Do what the **** you want to do though.

That's an opinion. Do you even know if you truly eat healthy, and how the fuk would you know objectively whether you feel better or not? Placebo effect at its finest

[n0useforaname]

I know guys who ate "healthy" too... 2 big cans of tuna EVERYDAY... some spinach, 2 protein shakes, and a bag of carrots. it's how they got their 6-pack Super healthy and clean to boot

[JasonDB]

I know guys who ate "healthy" too... 2 big cans of tuna EVERYDAY... some spinach, 2 protein shakes, and a bag of carrots. it's how they got their 6-pack Super healthy and clean to boot

Same I know guys here in town who claim they eat healthy (who don't track macros or calories btw) but when I ask them to define for me specifically what a healthy diet is from a nutritional science perspective neither could answer.

[George_Bondrew]

I ate poptarts this am and missed a PR attempt. Screw your Iifym mumbo jumbo

I ate a poptart and hit a PR attempt this morning
you jelly

[andrealazio]

I eat clean everyday. If my ice cream fall down i eat another one. (Not srs)

[Jelet]

lol someone is mad...

dude ur stats are pathetic. i was ur stats with 6 months of lifting. and i started off at 110 pounds. u dont know anything.

there are tons of studies that show how different fats effect your test levels.


Im not gonna argue with u.


the fact that i could count my macros and use junk foods for the the bulk of it(since its tastey and fits my macros, why not.. why would i eat disgusting brown rice or rice, when i could just drink a can of coke or gatoraid or eat sour gummy worms and enjoy it.. why would i eat almonds when i can eat mcdonalds big mac as my fat source... etc. why eat dry chicken breast when i can drink protein shake in 3 seconds... If a fat=fat and carb=carb then this would be legit)

but nope. i gained nothing but fat.


i then ate nothing but clean ,and now sometimes barely count macros, i just eat clean as hell. and my macros are all over the place. but i still get insane gains. because nothing beats nutrious food. simple as that.


yep

clean food no macros>macro'ed junk food.



have a nice day kids.

110 pounds to 220 pounds.

3 years.

keep calling me a juice head.

i will enjoy my nutritious food because i know the results they bring


unless u have insane genetics then u just have to eat clean, simple as that.

do u think those black people that do "playground workouts" count macros? know, its genetics. dumb ****s.


genetics>everything.


have a nice.



cliffs

- IFFYM is bs, unless ur talking about something so small like less than 500 calories that it will not effect your hormone levels etc.

- meal timing is illrevalent, i can eat 1-2 meals a day, even 200G of whey protein shakes at once and it will be the same.

- fiber is bs. unless u have bowel movements.

- training 2x a week is excellent. and not over training at all. but fk heavy movements. i injured my shoulder and losing alot of my gains. fk heavy dips. doesnt matter how good ur form is. because my form was perfect. its just that i increased my weighted dips by 10 pounds a week. due to my nutrition food and weight gain. so my joints couldnt keep up. fk heavy lifting.

once my shoulder injury is gone, pure hypertrophy.


im stilll wondering how u have almost 11k rep power geoloop. ur stats are me with 6 months of lifting.. o well.

[WonderPug]

clean food no macros>macro'ed junk food.

The above quote is a good indicator of the logic you're applying and thus it's fair to say that you're simply dead wrong about many of your assertions in this thread.

[AdamWW]

not this thread again..

[Jelet]

The above quote is a good indicator of the logic you're applying and thus it's fair to say that you're simply dead wrong about many of your assertions in this thread.

nope. i know tons of people who just eat clean. u think all the people in the gym with good physiques count there macros? LOL. go ahead, go to ur gym and look for the biggest guys and be like "how much grams of fat ugetting a day bro? " they dont give a fk. they proboably just try to eat clean, i have my friends who do this, benching 3-4 plates with ease. . they actually count how much grams of fat and how much carbs they get? nope, just probably try to eat healthy. naturally if you have a healthy meal, it will have proper macros. i mean who the hell just eats almonds all day and nothing else. know, think of a meal like steak(fat to raise ur test levels, and protein ) and rice(solid energy source) and salad and veggies.

some fruit as snacks.

i dont recommend this. but still better than junk food macros. unless ur nutrious food macros are so far off, but in most cases u will be just eating clean. like who will eat a bowl of almonds. or just eat rice all day.



eat clean meals. u will have automatic decent macros. good enough. but i dont recommend this but im saying this is still better then eating a junk food diet that has "proper macros"




but its ok. dont listen to me fellas. just call me a juice head. i will enjoy being bigger then the majority of u with only 3 years of lifting experience starting off skinnier than 99% of u. keep thinking i am wrong when i just practice what i preach. I will enjoy the good gains that i get, and i will enjoy watching u kids make sht progress with ur poptarts and junk food



the next thing your going to tell me is that u think u actually can target muscles such as upper chest. seriously the sht i read on these forums is hillarious. u and all ur broscience.. "OMGZZZZ MY UPPER CHEST IS LAGGING WHAT DO I DO. " then i see tons of posts saying "incline dumbbell press" when u cant target chest muscles. ur chest gets works on all movements, same sht.


but thats another subject, sick of udumb fks.



i have ton a macroed diet consisted of pure junk food except whey protein shake.


i have ton a proper diet with same macros with nutrious food

i have just ate nutritious food.

at the end, my results were nutritious food > everything.


thats the way my body works. therefore anything u try to tell me is invalid since i tested it myself in bulk programs/cut programs that iv done.



brb losing strength on a cut eating sht food.

brb clean up diet with pure nutrious food, brb regaining strength on a cut. same macros.

haha funny sh!t

u mad?

[ironwill2008]

.... nutrious foods......

....SNIP.....

I'm still trying to figure out what "nutrious" (sic) foods are.

[Jelet]

I'm still trying to figure out what "nutrious" (sic) foods are.

ironwill2008, u have a solid physique for ur age. you dont believe in this if it fits your macros crap do u?

[germaine07]

nope. i know tons of people who just eat clean. u think all the people in the gym with good physiques count there macros? LOL. go ahead, go to ur gym and look for the biggest guys and be like "how much grams of fat ugetting a day bro? " they dont give a fk. they proboably just try to eat clean, i have my friends who do this, benching 3-4 plates with ease. . they actually count how much grams of fat and how much carbs they get? nope, just probably try to eat healthy. naturally if you have a healthy meal, it will have proper macros. i mean who the hell just eats almonds all day and nothing else. know, think of a meal like steak(fat to raise ur test levels, and protein ) and rice(solid energy source) and salad and veggies.

some fruit as snacks.

i dont recommend this. but still better than junk food macros. unless ur nutrious food macros are so far off, but in most cases u will be just eating clean. like who will eat a bowl of almonds. or just eat rice all day.



eat clean meals. u will have automatic decent macros. good enough. but i dont recommend this but im saying this is still better then eating a junk food diet that has "proper macros"




but its ok. dont listen to me fellas. just call me a juice head. i will enjoy being bigger then the majority of u with only 3 years of lifting experience starting off skinnier than 99% of u. keep thinking i am wrong when i just practice what i preach. I will enjoy the good gains that i get, and i will enjoy watching u kids make sht progress with ur poptarts and junk food



the next thing your going to tell me is that u think u actually can target muscles such as upper chest. seriously the sht i read on these forums is hillarious. u and all ur broscience.. "OMGZZZZ MY UPPER CHEST IS LAGGING WHAT DO I DO. " then i see tons of posts saying "incline dumbbell press" when u cant target chest muscles. ur chest gets works on all movements, same sht.


but thats another subject, sick of udumb fks.



i have ton a macroed diet consisted of pure junk food except whey protein shake.


i have ton a proper diet with same macros with nutrious food

i have just ate nutritious food.

at the end, my results were nutritious food > everything.


thats the way my body works. therefore anything u try to tell me is invalid since i tested it myself in bulk programs/cut programs that iv done.



brb losing strength on a cut eating sht food.

brb clean up diet with pure nutrious food, brb regaining strength on a cut. same macros.

haha funny sh!t

u mad?

Define what 'junk food' is.

Define what 'healthy' food is.

Describe how once micros needs are met, that any extra would prove any more beneficial.

[Jelet]

Define what 'junk food' is.

Define what 'healthy' food is.

Describe how once micros needs are met, that any extra would prove any more beneficial.

by healthy, i mean food with decent nutrients.

heres a decent list...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/stella9.htm


junk food = most chips, any fastfood. candy... low nutrient foods... candy..

[ThousandEyes]

by healthy, i mean food with decent nutrients.

heres a decent list...

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/stella9.htm


junk food = most chips, any fastfood. candy... low nutrient foods... candy..

You failed to describe the last and most important point, when micros are met how is going above and beyond going to improve upon that?

[Foe1605]

cliffs

- IFFYM is bs, unless ur talking about something so small like less than 500 calories that it will not effect your hormone levels etc.

- meal timing is illrevalent, i can eat 1-2 meals a day, even 200G of whey protein shakes at once and it will be the same.

- fiber is bs. unless u have bowel movements.

- training 2x a week is excellent. and not over training at all. but fk heavy movements. i injured my shoulder and losing alot of my gains. fk heavy dips. doesnt matter how good ur form is. because my form was perfect. its just that i increased my weighted dips by 10 pounds a week. due to my nutrition food and weight gain. so my joints couldnt keep up. fk heavy lifting.

once my shoulder injury is gone, pure hypertrophy.


im stilll wondering how u have almost 11k rep power geoloop. ur stats are me with 6 months of lifting.. o well.

U wot m8?