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    Link to intelligent Christian debaters?

    Anyone have a youtube link or something? Given that my source of information on the internet is heavily influenced by liberal/atheist views it would be nice to see some compelling arguments from the other camp.
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    There is one, however i cannot remember his name. Someone here will chime in.
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    Originally Posted by Drayen View Post
    Anyone have a youtube link or something? Given that my source of information on the internet is heavily influenced by liberal/atheist views it would be nice to see some compelling arguments from the other camp.
    How exactly do you intelligently argue for that which there is no serious evidence? It's a religion based on faith, and there is no intelligence in that.
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    Search on William lane craigh, John Haught and alvin platinga. I think they have this aura of comtemporary influential theologians.
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    There is absolutely NO compelling argument for Christianity.
    How can one possibly argue that a 1st century Hebrew preacher was actually God in the flesh?

    This notion should be embarrassing to anyone that has any intelligence whatsoever.
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    Originally Posted by Drayen View Post
    Anyone have a youtube link or something? Given that my source of information on the internet is heavily influenced by liberal/atheist views it would be nice to see some compelling arguments from the other camp.
    There's a lot of good Christian philosophers, and even scientists, some of whom debate.

    Check out William Lane Craig, John Lennox, Alvin Plantinga, Ravi Zaccharias and Gary Habermas for starters.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    Alvin Plantinga
    William Lane Craig
    James White
    Josh McDowell
    Ravi Zaccharias
    RC Sproul
    Do they argue for the validity of Christianity, or the existence of God?

    If the former, could you post a 'sample' argument?
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    Originally Posted by jf1 View Post
    Do they argue for the validity of Christianity, or the existence of God?

    If the former, could you post a 'sample' argument?
    Hold up bro, shouldn't you already know this? Seeing as how you know that
    There is absolutely NO compelling argument for Christianity.
    I assume you would already be well-versed in all the arguments and their proponents.
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    Originally Posted by Beeewbs View Post
    How exactly do you intelligently argue for that which there is no serious evidence? It's a religion based on faith, and there is no intelligence in that.
    1. Because my parents told me so.
    2. Because I just know.
    3. Because Jesus stopped me from smoking crack (drinking alcohol, masturbating etc...).
    4. Because I find Christianity COMPELLING (although I am unable to explain why).

    Any others you can think of?


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    Hold up bro, shouldn't you already know this? Seeing as how you know that I assume you would already be well-versed in all the arguments and their proponents.
    See above.
    Please feel free to add to the list.
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    Originally Posted by jf1 View Post
    Do they argue for the validity of Christianity, or the existence of God?

    If the former, could you post a 'sample' argument?
    Both. And a simple youtube search on their names will provide you with plenty of example arguments. For the existence of God you will find most of the arguments with Plantinga, Craig, and Sproul. For Christianity specifically, Ravi and White.

    Obviously arguing for Christianity presupposes God, so you will find Ravi and White tending to debate Islam, the watchtower, etc.
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    Originally Posted by jf1 View Post
    4. Because I find Christianity COMPELLING (although I am unable to explain why).
    Do you think it actually bothers me that you follow me around in every thread throwing around the word compelling?

    I did give my reasons, you just don't like them.
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    Originally Posted by jf1 View Post
    1. Because my parents told me so.
    2. Because I just know.
    3. Because Jesus stopped me from smoking crack (drinking alcohol, masturbating etc...).
    4. Because I find Christianity COMPELLING (although I am unable to explain why).

    Any others you can think of?



    See above.
    Please feel free to add to the list.
    Yeah,

    1. I don't get evolution, therefore, Jebus.
    2. Because this one author in the Bible said that lots of people saw Zombie Jesus roaming the earth after his crucifixion, so that's like 500 eyewitnesses cuz one dude said so.
    3. Stuff is purty, and I don't get how there could be that much purty stuff on accident.
    4. If god doesn't exist, how do I tell if raping and murdering is wrong?



    lol, love your 3rd one.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    Do you think it actually bothers me that you follow me around in every thread throwing around the word compelling?

    I did give my reasons, you just don't like them.
    That's because they were dumb.
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    Originally Posted by Beeewbs View Post
    That's because they were dumb.
    My world view is shaken because beeewbs thinks its dumb.


    Whatever shall I do.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    Do you think it actually bothers me that you follow me around in every thread throwing around the word compelling?
    No.
    I just feel compelled to do it.


    I did give my reasons, you just don't like them.
    "becuz there wuz an empty tomb!"
    Is probably the least compelling reason I can think of.
    Originally Posted by Beeewbs View Post
    Yeah,

    1. I don't get evolution, therefore, Jebus.
    2. Because this one author in the Bible said that lots of people saw Zombie Jesus roaming the earth after his crucifixion, so that's like 500 eyewitnesses cuz one dude said so.
    3. Stuff is purty, and I don't get how there could be that much purty stuff on accident.
    4. If god doesn't exist, how do I tell if raping and murdering is wrong?

    lol, love your 3rd one.
    LMAO!
    All good ones and all used by our Christian members!
    I am not compelled.

    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    My world view is shaken because beeewbs thinks its dumb.
    Whatever shall I do.
    It was dumb.
    Presupposing a supernatural explanation for an empty cave is absurd.
    The reason an otherwise intelligent person, like yourself, believes in Christianity is because you want to.
    The reason you are compelled, is because you want to be...nothing more.
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    My world view is shaken because beeewbs thinks its dumb.


    Whatever shall I do.
    Well, you could be a little cry baby and start a thread about how much you hate me, and then tell me I'm the emotional one. Oh wait.
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    Anyone have a youtube link or something? Given that my source of information on the internet is heavily influenced by liberal/atheist views it would be nice to see some compelling arguments from the other camp.
    Check out the munk debates. I'm pretty sure a basic membership is still free.

    http://www.munkdebates.com/debates/Religion

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    Well, you could be a little cry baby and start a thread about how much you hate me, and then tell me I'm the emotional one. Oh wait.
    I don't hate you. I think you are a massive ******* though. Along with 60.38% of R/P.
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    Hold up bro, shouldn't you already know this? Seeing as how you know that I assume you would already be well-versed in all the arguments and their proponents.
    Perhaps someone could share with us some new, groundbreaking arguments as to how a Jewish hobo walked on water! Please share, oh dear Christian swine!
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    I don't hate you. I think you are a massive ******* though. Along with 60.38% of R/P.
    I think you are using your animosity toward Beeewbs as an excuse to escape real debate.
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    Originally Posted by jf1 View Post
    I think you are using your animosity toward Beeewbs as an excuse to escape real debate.
    gjdm.
    What debate would that be?
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    What debate would that be?
    "Intelligent" Christian debate, of course.
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    Originally Posted by jf1 View Post
    "Intelligent" Christian debate, of course.
    I guess I missed the part in this thread where someone asked for a debate. I could of sworn it was someone asking for a list of Christian apologists.
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    I don't hate you. I think you are a massive ******* though. Along with 60.38% of R/P.
    You don't hate me. You just throw a lot of fits when I'm around.
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    I guess I missed the part in this thread where someone asked for a debate. I could of sworn it was someone asking for a list of Christian apologists.
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    Originally Posted by Harbinger View Post
    Thread title much?
    Thread title was asking for a list of debaters ... whereas jf1 is implying that there is a debate ITT that I am avoiding.
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    I don't hate you. I think you are a massive ******* though. Along with 60.38% of R/P.
    Just curious, what's your stance on 'saving' someone's soul? Do you ever try to convert someone to Christianity?
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    Originally Posted by lasher View Post
    I guess I missed the part in this thread where someone asked for a debate. I could of sworn it was someone asking for a list of Christian apologists.
    Christian apologists abound, intelligent argument for Christianity is non-existent.
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