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    Originally Posted by bmontgomery87 View Post
    this.

    Is it that easy to get a strength and conditioning position for a university? FFS.
    Its very difficult to get your foot in the door

    One thing about the top tier teams is these coaches are guys who wanted to stay in football and had good connections and happened to end up in the weight room. Not guys who want to be in the weight room who happened to end up with football, see the difference?
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    Originally Posted by Kharvok View Post
    Apparently Clemson's strength coach is paid 250k baseline salary. A trained monkey could have them do what they are doing.
    An UNtrained monkey would have them climbing trees and flinging shid, which would be a step up from this crap.
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    Originally Posted by Torrtrefireto View Post
    Its very difficult to get your foot in the door

    One thing about the top tier teams is these coaches are guys who wanted to stay in football and had good connections and happened to end up in the weight room. Not guys who want to be in the weight room who happened to end up with football, see the difference?
    BRB having slightly more successful Al Bundys as strength coaches.
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    Originally Posted by Torrtrefireto View Post
    Clemson actually has a reputation of being the worst S&C department in the country, there have been articles written on it.

    Compared to every other BCS conference team they gain the least weight and strength over their 4 year career. The writer said its because they do westside instead of teh Hatch System

    But every single player has a singshot
    this might be the article. really interesting.

    http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/20...ms-with-batson

    South Carolina averaged 53 lbs gained on their DL compared to the 17 lbs. gained at Clemson. Devin Taylor went from 6-6 225 to 6-7 260. Melvin Ingram went from 6-2 224 to 6-2 276. Travian Robinson went from 6-4 230 to 6-4 303. At the same time, we see guys like Rennie Moore go from 6-5 260 to 6-4 270. Folks, Batson put 10 lbs on a DT in five years. Ricky Sapp gained roughly 25lbs in his time here.


    Want to hear more? DaQuan Bowers came in listed as 6-4 267. His Jr. numbers were 6-4 275. Compare his gains to, say, Cliff Matthews at South Carolina. It ain't even close. Genetic freak. Two years. Eight pounds
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    Originally Posted by magog704 View Post
    this might be the article. really interesting.

    http://www.shakinthesouthland.com/20...ms-with-batson



    Yeah that was it. Say what you want, the writer of that article spent some time trying to destroy that coach. He did his research
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    This makes me sad to have grown up in Clemson country.
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    makes me sad. all that potential going to waste.
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    CLemsons Offensive Coordinator was my former high school head coach. Maybe I will bring this up next time I talk to him lol
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    Maybe if Clemson would do full squats and correct bench press they would actually be able to stop WVU in the Orange Bowl.

    That was God awful.
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    Those bench press/heave things are terrible to watch. I just can't believe that a good majority of programs out there have their athletes lifting like this. It's a joke.
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    Originally Posted by Jasonk282 View Post
    Maybe if Clemson would do full squats and correct bench press they would actually be able to stop WVU in the Orange Bowl.

    That was God awful.
    I will admit, a little more explosive power would have enabled them to stop the jet sweep at a first down instead of a TD once in a while. Even a third rate secondary made Sammy Watkins look like a peewee football player.


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    Originally Posted by Kharvok View Post
    Apparently Clemson's strength coach is paid 250k baseline salary. A trained monkey could have them do what they are doing.
    Why the phuk am I not a strength and conditioning coach?
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    Originally Posted by d-benjamin View Post
    Why the phuk am I not a strength and conditioning coach?
    Because an assistant strength coach at a d1 FCS level makes 25k a year and even those openings receive 50 applications within the hour they open

    There's only 120 FBS jobs out there, good luck man
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    Originally Posted by Torrtrefireto View Post
    Because an assistant strength coach at a d1 FCS level makes 25k a year and even those openings receive 50 applications within the hour they open

    There's only 120 FBS jobs out there, good luck man
    You forgot to mention the part where employment is volatile and a coaching switch could leave the department with only 4 assistant strength coaches and several understaffed conditioning slots per day. Those are the kind of work conditions where you sleep under your desk at night.
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    Originally Posted by bigfor15 View Post
    You forgot to mention the part where employment is volatile and a coaching switch could leave the department with only 4 assistant strength coaches and several understaffed conditioning slots per day. Those are the kind of work conditions where you sleep under your desk at night.
    Thats at a place like WVU

    4 assistants, thats 4x as many as I have seen at the places I have been. But they have just as many kids (more actually because they don't have a coach specifically for football). The guy I know making 25k a year works from 5-8 every day of the week. No e-stats, because I've had to be there with him only I got paid 0k
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    You both also forget that universities have to post any and all job opportunities. It's required by law. Even if they made the position up for someone in house (which has been the case for 5 S&C jobs I have applied too) they have to advertise it so everyone interested gets a fair shot... kinda.
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    Originally Posted by HamburgerTrain View Post
    You both also forget that universities have to post any and all job opportunities. It's required by law. Even if they made the position up for someone in house (which has been the case for 5 S&C jobs I have applied too) they have to advertise it so everyone interested gets a fair shot... kinda.
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    A few points. These people should not be in the gym, they are a disgrace and they should send all their fancy equipment to me because I want it and I squat to depth. That is all.

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    You both also forget that universities have to post any and all job opportunities. It's required by law. Even if they made the position up for someone in house (which has been the case for 5 S&C jobs I have applied too) they have to advertise it so everyone interested gets a fair shot... kinda.
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    did you just paraphrase the same post 10 minutes later... to the same quote. LOL


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    Originally Posted by ISuckAtBenching View Post
    did you just paraphrase the same post 10 minutes later... to the same quote. LOL


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    sooo many armchair strength coaches...
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    sooo many armchair strength coaches...
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    Apparently the program is so ****ty that it actually shrunk poor Rennie Moore, haha
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    Originally Posted by Torrtrefireto View Post
    Its very difficult to get your foot in the door

    One thing about the top tier teams is these coaches are guys who wanted to stay in football and had good connections and happened to end up in the weight room. Not guys who want to be in the weight room who happened to end up with football, see the difference?
    Well meaning football coaches have added more broscience to the strength and conditioning field than the bro scientists (wat) themselves.

    Hiring a S&C coach as a football coach is dumb, and having a football coach take the position of S&C coach is dumb too. Unfortunately, people seem to equate being a football coach with being a strength coach, which is just asinine.
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    Apparently the program is so ****ty that it actually shrunk poor Rennie Moore, haha
    Now that I'm powerlifting, I'd actually rather be shorter. Can anyone find me their program so I can shrink myself too?
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    ITT everyone's a strength coach , these guys aren't power lifters , let em do whatever they want to do.
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