My supplementation plan (while fasting)

**321bh** · 09-11-2005, 02:41 AM

The Muslim holy month of Ramadhan is coming up soon and I will be fasting from approx. 4am to 5pm. I'm taking this opportunity to start my cutting cycle. Since this is the supplement forum, I will focus on that rather than the actual food I'll be consuming. I plan on doing the following:

Pre-fast: High-Protein meal + whey protein + lean green

Post fast: whey protein + sesathin + MAN Scorch + meal (not sure if I should take Scorch here) followed by lean green

2 hours later: MAN Scorch + MAN Clout

30 mins later: workout + cardio (Xtend)

Post workout: Xtend + Bulk CEE

Post post workout: Post workout shake

Prior to bed meal: High-protein meal + whey

I'll be taking Scorch twice daily, Clout once and Xtend during and post with Bulk CEE.

Its my first time taking supplements while fasting and I wanted to know if the above was a good plan. It may not be the best plan but I want to make the best of the month.

Any input would be appreciated..

**Mixelflick** · 09-11-2005, 03:28 AM

A simple, effective plan would be as follows:

During fasting hours: Copious amounts of water + Scorch and Lean Green

During workout: Xtend

Post workout: Post workout shake + CEE/Clout

Then a huge Dinner w/sesathin then sleep.

The fasting hours activate cAMP, a hormone related substance that up-regulates your body's ability to incorporate protein into muscle tissue, improves GH output etc..

The overeating phase activates cGMP, a hormone related substance that triggers uptake of amino acids, carbohydrates and fatty acids into muscle.

One phase potentiates the other. Staying in one phase too long down regulates the body's sensitivity to that phase (i.e. bulking phases that last too long lead to greater and greater fat deposition). An excellent book on this subject is "Maximum Muscle, Minimum Fat" by Ori Hofmekler. See WarriorDiet.com for details.

I think after you tweak things a bit, you'll be very happy with the progress you can make on this type of diet.

**Blap Blaow** · 09-11-2005, 03:40 AM

I know it's a pain in the ass but MAN Scorch is made with gelatin caps so arn't really compatable with a Muslim diet. Not really sure if there are any gelatin free alternative either...

**Mixelflick** · 09-11-2005, 03:52 AM

Just go with homemade E/C/Y. Much cheaper and more effective IMO...

If you really want to up the ante', throw in some nicotine gum.

**321bh** · 09-11-2005, 05:06 AM

I forgot to mention that fasting means no food or water.. so I can't take anything in between..

I was thinking of the EC stack.. I just ordered it for a friend of mine, but scorch seems to be a good product that works well with clout.. i was thinking i'd run that cycle first then switch to an EC stack (vasopro + higher power caffeine)..

**Mixelflick** · 09-11-2005, 07:23 AM

No water? I'd be careful with the caffeine then as it's a mild diuretic.

**321bh** · 09-11-2005, 08:19 AM

Yeah I know, thats why I plan on taking my supplements after fasting.. before fasting I'll take lean green..

**pu12en12g** · 09-11-2005, 08:25 AM

Originally Posted by 321bh

I will be fasting from approx. 4am to 5pm.

Is it possible for you to sleep during that time ?

Just an idea

**321bh** · 09-11-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Is it possible for you to sleep during that time ?

Just an idea

I could.. but my employer would probably stop paying me.. then I can't afford my gym membership and my supplements..my wife would divorce me.. i'd lose my apartment.. etc etc

**McDugan** · 09-11-2005, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Is it possible for you to sleep during that time ?

Just an idea

Thats cheating. You can't trick god pu12...

**321bh** · 09-11-2005, 08:34 AM

Originally Posted by pu12en12g

Is it possible for you to sleep during that time ?

Just an idea

By the way, whats your feedback on the plan?

**Tarkana** · 09-11-2005, 08:40 AM

id recommend some casein pre-fasting. and i dont know what food ud be eating, but steel-cut oats are always a staple in case u didnt already have some.

**platnm** · 09-11-2005, 09:09 AM

Originally Posted by McDugan

Thats cheating. You can't trick god pu12...

actually, you can sleep during that time. its just his lifestyle doesn't allow him to.

**McDugan** · 09-11-2005, 09:15 AM

Originally Posted by ozaer

actually, you can sleep during that time. its just his lifestyle doesn't allow him to.

I'm surprised you can. I guess most peoples lives would make that hard though.

**platnm** · 09-11-2005, 09:48 AM

when you wake up you cant eat passed like 5am most people go to sleep for an hour or two after that then wake up

**turkish** · 09-11-2005, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by ozaer

actually, you can sleep during that time. its just his lifestyle doesn't allow him to.

If a muslim's gonna sleep just to let the time pass during the day, than there's no use for her/him to fast (unless he/she already lives/works during the night and sleeps during the day, of course).
Because, the aim in fasting is to struggle and go on with your daily life while experiencing for a month what the poor and hungry go through year-round.

**uhockey** · 09-11-2005, 10:41 AM

Add Lean Xtreme to suppress catabolism and some sort of appetite suppressant such as synephrine to control hunger pangs.

**321bh** · 09-11-2005, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by uhockey

Add Lean Xtreme to suppress catabolism and some sort of appetite suppressant such as synephrine to control hunger pangs.

How long do the affects of lean xtreme and synephrine last? If i take them at 4am they'll probably wear off by the time I wake up to go to work (which is from 10am to 4pm)

**uhockey** · 09-11-2005, 12:24 PM

Originally Posted by 321bh

How long do the affects of lean xtreme and synephrine last? If i take them at 4am they'll probably wear off by the time I wake up to go to work (which is from 10am to 4pm)

Lean Xtreme would be excellent as it suppresses cortisol which will obviously be raised in a hypocaloric/fasting environment. You're right about the synephrine, though, for me 10mg usually only suppresses appetite for 2-3 hours.

**321bh** · 09-13-2005, 06:16 AM

bump - does my plan seem ok for those who tried MAN products?

**haseeb981** · 09-17-2005, 07:27 PM

Salaams, my Broz, It's definetely great to know that there are so many muslim bodybuilders on-site.

Check out the links below for other forums dealing with this topic as well:
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...2&page=1&pp=30
http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...3&page=1&pp=30

Just remember, if our teenbodybuilder Moslem can fast and be a pro, you have no excuse not to fast.

Ramadan is around the corner, it will be on the 4th or 5th of October, that's only 16 or 17 more days.

I would recommend bulking up now, and during Ramadhan maintain it with 3 to 4 exercise days per week, 15-30g of glutamine (I would say 10g w/ suhur, 10g after workout), do not exercise at your maximum intensity, do not exercise for over 1hour. Eat every 2 hours after iftaar.

Make sure you eat at least 1 cup of oats in the morning, one cup of cottage cheese, and a tablespoon of flax seed oil (or eat some other EFAs). This trio will greatly help in slowing down digestion.

I have been into Shaolin karate all my life and endurance training, so I'm still new to bulking, so I don't know everything, I stand to be corrected, but so far this seems to be working for others

Peace

,!
-Haseeb

**321bh** · 09-18-2005, 06:32 AM

Thanks for the input bro

I'll be cutting and starting a new stack, so i'll give it a shot before ramadhan to make sure everything is ok before fasting..

**platnm** · 09-18-2005, 07:35 AM

can you guys post alternative products for fishoil and flax seed pills, the ones i bought from GNC have gelatin in them but i still need to finish them off.

**TheOMEGA** · 09-18-2005, 07:53 AM

Salam ale ku'

I would highly recommend a combo of Glutamine Peptides at around 50 grams and another 50 grams or so of casein protien

drink that in the am with Milk and add some Peanut butter or Flax oil to slow absorption even more

results?: curbed appetite, protection against musle loss, and good slow burning energy

also take 15 mg of Synephrine at around 10 and another cap at 2

that will take care of cravings at midday

however I believe that as a religiuos faster par tof the fast is fighting the hunger so you may want to not take synephrine and rely on your will alone

**signal20** · 09-18-2005, 08:28 AM

no offense, but i will never understand religions that require you to starve yourself. I grew up Roman Catholic..........and I started to have doubts when priests were touching boys. Now im agnostic....meaning i believe in a higher power, but im not sure what it is. anyway, im rambling.

more power to you guys............AKOONA MATODA, brother.

**321bh** · 09-18-2005, 08:33 AM

Originally Posted by signal20

no offense, but i will never understand religions that require you to starve yourself. I grew up Roman Catholic..........and I started to have doubts when priests were touching boys. Now im agnostic....meaning i believe in a higher power, but im not sure what it is. anyway, im rambling.

more power to you guys............AKOONA MATODA, brother.

Hakuna Matata!

If you're interested in learning more about why Muslims fast, check out the religion forum under misc.. we'll leave the thread for supplements

BTW, I believe in higher power too..I also use their creatine

**tryin2hard** · 09-20-2005, 09:50 AM

Originally Posted by 321bh

bump - does my plan seem ok for those who tried MAN products?

jus a lil word of wisdom, wen that time is approaching we seem to get scared about our diet, supplementation and workout routines, but through my experience theres no need to worry......

one week before Ramadan as someone suggested, take an appetite suppr, but for the balance of the ramadan......do as the Prophet (PBUH) did.....one date and a cup of milk pre fast, and like wise to break the fast.....

you'll find all the nutrients ur body need in that lil date and cup of milk

trust in God and u'll do fine holmes!!!!

**haseeb981** · 09-20-2005, 03:25 PM

Regarding the bro who asked about alternatives to flax oil, other healthy oils that will have the same prolonging digestion effect are olive oil, peanuts (raw or peanut oil), sunflower seeds (raw or oil).

Also, has anyone every tried using Glutamine at 40g and above for maintaining mass during Ramadhan and succeeded?

Thanks,

**haseeb981** · 09-20-2005, 03:27 PM

Also, Casein protein is cottage cheese derived, and any whole food will dissolve slower than a protein powder (including casein protein). 1/2 cup of 1% (or skim, I can't remember) cottage cheese is equal to 15g in protein, and 1 cup and 2/3rds is equal to 50g of protein in case you are willing to take that route. This is my suggestion to eat a cup of cottage cheese or more is a food rather than drink the casein protein.

Peace,

**triplewhammy** · 09-20-2005, 05:08 PM

Fasting + BB'ing sounds like a disaster waiting to happen imo...

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