Ups and Downs of Getting Big

[2020Wellness]

This is definitely a great discussion starter that brings up multiple topics dealing with muscle mass, weight loss, and an advantage to training when it comes to dieting for weight loss.

[beaul]

Just curious, how long have you been stuck at 210?

[MikeK46]

It's really not so difficult to get those calories in when you know how. So honestly, it just sounds like you don't.

The reason so many people gain weight and become obese is because they eat very calorie-dense processed food (not grilled chicken and asparagus) and are very sedentary.

I'm not saying you should be eating junk food to meet your calories, but perhaps you need to be more creative with your meals, as well as less strict with your food selections. Even seemingly “bad” foods such as donuts can be perfectly neutral to health (& even beneficial in a psychological sense) as long as most of your diet is still composed of whole & minimally refined foods. Add thick sauces to your pasta. Have some full-fat ice cream every day and cheesecake after dinner. Drink (chocolate) milk with meals. Etc. etc. 5000 calories will be a piece of cake.

[2020Wellness]

It's really not so difficult to get those calories in when you know how. So honestly, it just sounds like you don't.

The reason so many people gain weight and become obese is because they eat very calorie-dense processed food (not grilled chicken and asparagus) and are very sedentary.

I'm not saying you should be eating junk food to meet your calories, but perhaps you need to be more creative with your meals, as well as less strict with your food selections. Even seemingly “bad” foods such as donuts can be perfectly neutral to health (& even beneficial in a psychological sense) as long as most of your diet is still composed of whole & minimally refined foods. Add thick sauces to your pasta. Have some full-fat ice cream every day and cheesecake after dinner. Drink (chocolate) milk with meals. Etc. etc. 5000 calories will be a piece of cake.

Not to be rude, but you're assuming an awful lot about me in saying that I don't know how to get those calories in and that I only stick to whole natural foods.

I know how to eat and am well versed in nutrition. The point isn't that its so hard to figure out how to do it. The point is that I'm amazed that I have to and find it annoying at times, which shows the impact that carrying an excessive mount of muscle has on ones calorie needs.

[2020Wellness]

Just curious, how long have you been stuck at 210?

4 weeks or so.

[TomBremner]

i didnt watch more than two minutes but if your training and trying to build muscle as opposed to just fat its gonna be different. Your body has a genetic potential to muscle and as you approach that id imagine actually gaining mass is harder. plus more muscle plus training will raise TDEE

[Joseph1990]

OP you have to be kidding me. Stop mentally masturbating and making excuses. Eat more food end of discussion.

[RLAR]

Interesting topic.

Could it be that the body doesn't need so much muscle? And prefers to store fat since fat can easily be stored as preserved energy?

I dont think it's possible for a bodybuilder to pack on +400lbs of muscle
But the fattest man in history was more than 1,000lbs.

[XinApoK]

its a matter of testosterone.

Which goes right along with your ideas of men and women's ability to lose fat.

I am 6'2 210 right now but im steadily rising. im trying to get to 225. so i suppose some of us just have a bit more genetic potential. (not being a douche j/s)

Like it has been stated, genetics cant be avoided naturally. Things are the way they are.

[determined4000]

It's really not so difficult to get those calories in when you know how. So honestly, it just sounds like you don't.

The reason so many people gain weight and become obese is because they eat very calorie-dense processed food (not grilled chicken and asparagus) and are very sedentary.

I'm not saying you should be eating junk food to meet your calories, but perhaps you need to be more creative with your meals, as well as less strict with your food selections. Even seemingly “bad” foods such as donuts can be perfectly neutral to health (& even beneficial in a psychological sense) as long as most of your diet is still composed of whole & minimally refined foods. Add thick sauces to your pasta. Have some full-fat ice cream every day and cheesecake after dinner. Drink (chocolate) milk with meals. Etc. etc. 5000 calories will be a piece of cake.

could even make your own donuts and fry in coconut oil
make your own cheesecakes (I do)
make your own ice creams (I do)
would try the doughnut thing but I am not a huge fan as is and sounds like too much work

[2020Wellness]

OP you have to be kidding me. Stop mentally masturbating and making excuses. Eat more food end of discussion.

The fact that you're 21 confirms that we are not at the same stage in our physique potential. Unless you're at or very near your natural size limit, don't act like you know what its like when you are.

I didn't hear any excuses in my video btw.

[2020Wellness]

its a matter of testosterone.

Which goes right along with your ideas of men and women's ability to lose fat.

I am 6'2 210 right now but im steadily rising. im trying to get to 225. so i suppose some of us just have a bit more genetic potential. (not being a douche j/s)

Like it has been stated, genetics cant be avoided naturally. Things are the way they are.

Well, remember that you're a little over 2 inches taller too . No offense taken btw. I'm shooting for leanish 225 as a lifetime goal.

Nope, there is definitley a natural limit, and that's what I keep bumping into these past couple years.

Great post!

[ParsonBrown]

Well, I watched the whole thing.

You said - "disadvantage of bulking is having to eat more food...". This is such an individual thing. I bulked from 194 to 210 over the course of 5-6 months (pretty slow and steady). I was consuming close to 4k calories at the end...and it was hard not to consume more. I used to be very over weight, and eating is a complete non-issue for me and many others. I have to watch the calories closely on a bulk too or I could go over by a long shot quickly.

This is why I tell people - whether you know how to eat or not - knowing/understanding what and how much you consume is one of the best things you can do for yourself. The 6ft-150# toothpicks and 5'-7"-275# couch potatoes have something in common....they don't truly understand what they are consuming from a caloric point of view - forgetting completely macro/micro totals.

My disadvantage is this...whether I am bulking or cutting...I go to bed hungry most nights. Forever hungry because I care about my long term health I guess.

[beaul]

4 weeks or so.

That is pretty awesome... i would say you are blessed and cursed... haha... whenever i bump my calories past 3700 or so i start laying down fat too fast. But i have never been truly lean when i start my bulks. Usually cut too hard and bulk to hard. I have been trying to change that these last 2 years though.

[egoneo]

This is definitely a great discussion starter that brings up multiple topics dealing with muscle mass, weight loss, and an advantage to training when it comes to dieting for weight loss.

call me a noob but you say you've been eating 5k calories and not gaining weight, have you ever tried eating 10k calories?

The guys you are talking about that are 300 pounds could easily clear 10k calories in a day. Coupled with low leptin levels and also being genetically disposed to store fat = weight gain. everyones different.

[darscogre]

This is definitely a great discussion starter that brings up multiple topics dealing with muscle mass, weight loss, and an advantage to training when it comes to dieting for weight loss.

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Is he talking to us or is he talking to his microwave.....i cant tell

[2020Wellness]

its a matter of testosterone.

Which goes right along with your ideas of men and women's ability to lose fat.

I am 6'2 210 right now but im steadily rising. im trying to get to 225. so i suppose some of us just have a bit more genetic potential. (not being a douche j/s)

Like it has been stated, genetics cant be avoided naturally. Things are the way they are.

Well, remember that you're a little over 2 inches taller too . No offense taken btw. I'm shooting for leanish 225 as a lifetime goal.

Nope, there is definitley a natural limit, and that's what I keep bumping into these past couple years.

Great post!

[2020Wellness]

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Is he talking to us or is he talking to his microwave.....i cant tell

Did you catch that I'm cooking on the stovetop during the entire video?

[darscogre]

Did you catch that I'm cooking on the stovetop during the entire video?

Yeah i caught that, but you were staring at your microwave the whole time LOL, not just while you were cooking. Anyway, dumb and boring topic, and nothing was discussed that wasnt already common sense to everyone here

[WonderPug]

Anyway, dumb and boring topic, and nothing was discussed that wasnt already common sense to everyone here

That pretty much summarizes all of the OP's posts, at least in the nutrition section.

[2020Wellness]

Yeah i caught that, but you were staring at your microwave the whole time LOL, not just while you were cooking. Anyway, dumb and boring topic, and nothing was discussed that wasnt already common sense to everyone here

Lol, thanks for watching the whole video.

[adean1989]

Coupled with low leptin levels and also being genetically disposed to store fat = weight gain. everyones different.

Low leptin levels in obese people? Genetically disposed to store fat? What?

[MikeK46]

Not to be rude, but you're assuming an awful lot about me in saying that I don't know how to get those calories in and that I only stick to whole natural foods.

I know how to eat and am well versed in nutrition. The point isn't that its so hard to figure out how to do it. The point is that I'm amazed that I have to and find it annoying at times, which shows the impact that carrying an excessive mount of muscle has on ones calorie needs.

That's just how it came off, and you didn't explicitly state otherwise....so yes I assumed

But again, and I think someone already mentioned it, it's all individual. Some people love to eat and would love to be in your shoes. Other people, not so much.

[MikeK46]

My disadvantage is this...whether I am bulking or cutting...I go to bed hungry most nights. Forever hungry because I care about my long term health I guess.

Why? Not sure I follow you there. Since when is it detrimental to long term health to eat before bed?

[2020Wellness]

Why? Not sure I follow you there. Since when is it detrimental to long term health to eat before bed?

I was wondering about this too.

[ko300zx]

Did you catch that I'm cooking on the stovetop during the entire video?

Why were you cooking plain bread, almonds, and a protein shake on a stove?

[adean1989]

Why? Not sure I follow you there. Since when is it detrimental to long term health to eat before bed?

Not to put words in his mouth but I think he's just one of those "forever hungry" people (mentions difficulty in consuming only 4k calories), hence struggles to space his meals out in an effort to prevent going to bed hungry.

[2020Wellness]

Why were you cooking plain bread, almonds, and a protein shake on a stove?

I wasn't. Where did you see bread, almonds, and a shake? Looked like chicken to me.

[MikeK46]

Not to put words in his mouth but I think he's just one of those "forever hungry" people (mentions difficulty in consuming only 4k calories), hence struggles to space his meals out in an effort to prevent going to bed hungry.

Still hard to believe that he can't save 1000 calories for a solid pre-bedtime meal.

[egoneo]

Low leptin levels in obese people? Genetically disposed to store fat? What?

yes can you not read? oops i meant resitance to leptin rather than low leptin levels