Cutting: Low protein and eating whatever

[Striation]

Daily Average: Exercise: 2871kcal Food: 2904kcal (Fat: 111.60g, Protein: 90.94g, Carbs: 395.61g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 86121kcal Food: 87110kcal (Fat: 3348.13g, Protein: 2728.05g, Carbs: 11868.41g)


Day 317
Total deficit 121903/3500=34.82 lbs.
Deficit weight 181.18
Actual weight on Dec 1st. 175.2


Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (54%)
Fat (35%)
Protein (11%)

Ended in an almost 1k calorie surplus but still weighed in 1 lb. lighter. I think I do look better but nothing major. This month is going much better so far. Last month I had a 11k surplus by the 14th that I had to work my ass off to reverse by the end of the month. Really loving the fact that I am keeping track, even when I am derailed, keeps me accountable. Last Holiday season I gained back 26lbs. That is not happening again. I fully expect to lose instead.

[asivegury]

any updates? op

[nads786]

Yes Updates OP!

[Striation]

any updates? op

Yes Updates OP!

Thanks for showing continued interest guys! So, I really f'ed up in Dec. Gained 20lbs. but have since lost ~9 of it. Currently 185 lbs give or take down from 194. I will be an optimist and be glad I did not gain 26lbs of solid fat like I did last year after getting down to 190. At least I am starting back up at a lighter weight than I ended last year. I will begrudgingly post Dec.'s numbers.....


Daily Average: Exercise: 2783kcal Food: 4081kcal (Fat: 160.30g, Protein: 114.79g, Carbs: 555.26g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 86260kcal Food: 126518kcal (Fat: 4969.34g, Protein: 3558.62g, Carbs: 17212.91g)

Net calorie surplus:
drum roll!
:40258/3500=11.5 lbs.

Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (55%)
Fat (35%)
Protein (10%)

Day 348
Total deficit 81645/3500=23.32 lbs.
Deficit weight 192.68
Actual weight on Jan 1st. 194.3
Weight on Jan. 6th 185.6

Doing great so far this month.

[Dexter3000]

Thanks for showing continued interest guys! So, I really f'ed up in Dec. Gained 20lbs. but have since lost ~9 of it. Currently 185 lbs give or take down from 194. I will be an optimist and be glad I did not gain 26lbs of solid fat like I did last year after getting down to 190. At least I am starting back up at a lighter weight than I ended last year. I will begrudgingly post Dec.'s numbers.....


Daily Average: Exercise: 2783kcal Food: 4081kcal (Fat: 160.30g, Protein: 114.79g, Carbs: 555.26g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 86260kcal Food: 126518kcal (Fat: 4969.34g, Protein: 3558.62g, Carbs: 17212.91g)

Net calorie surplus:
drum roll!
:40258/3500=11.5 lbs.

Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (55%)
Fat (35%)
Protein (10%)

Day 348
Total deficit 81645/3500=23.32 lbs.
Deficit weight 192.68
Actual weight on Jan 1st. 194.3
Weight on Jan. 6th 185.6

Doing great so far this month.

The ~2700 exercise is your normal daily expenditure I assume?

[asivegury]

Thanks for showing continued interest guys! So, I really f'ed up in Dec. Gained 20lbs. but have since lost ~9 of it. Currently 185 lbs give or take down from 194. I will be an optimist and be glad I did not gain 26lbs of solid fat like I did last year after getting down to 190. At least I am starting back up at a lighter weight than I ended last year. I will begrudgingly post Dec.'s numbers.....


Daily Average: Exercise: 2783kcal Food: 4081kcal (Fat: 160.30g, Protein: 114.79g, Carbs: 555.26g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 86260kcal Food: 126518kcal (Fat: 4969.34g, Protein: 3558.62g, Carbs: 17212.91g)

Net calorie surplus:
drum roll!
:40258/3500=11.5 lbs.

Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (55%)
Fat (35%)
Protein (10%)

Day 348
Total deficit 81645/3500=23.32 lbs.
Deficit weight 192.68
Actual weight on Jan 1st. 194.3
Weight on Jan. 6th 185.6

Doing great so far this month.

op what is your exercise?
youre a lumberjack or some ****?

[Striation]

The ~2700 exercise is your normal daily expenditure I assume?

Yes.

op what is your exercise?
youre a lumberjack or some ****?

"Exercise" is my daily burn. Pretty sedentary. The website I use lists your daily burn as "exercise".

[scoveg13]

amazing progress!Repped!

[TheJimmyRustler]

Bumping for update. How have you found a low protein diet has helped/hindered you? Interested in having less of it in my diet myself, so if you've found it's perfectly fine, that'd be great news!

[30Boom]

Thanks for this, I have thought for a long time that high protein diets are over sold as I've had success without them and just feel its the supplement companies and people who make money off supplement companies overhyping it. I'm currently about 20% protein in my diet and reading around forums and magazines make me feel guilty about it. I don't like protein shakes as i feel they are unnatural processed crap (my personal opinion) and was looking for someone to give that reassurance that what I'm doing is correct.

Again thank you keep it up.

[cagliostro]

I'm bulking @ 3300 kcal around 15% protein (I don't count macros, but this may be my average, 130 grams) since november, I don't feel the need for higher protein nor any supps. Total calories and workouts are by far the most relevant factors in muscle/fat gains.

[Beerculez]

Well this is interesting. If I could drop my protein from 170 to 110-120 a day with no downsides that would just be great. I love my protein rich foods but sometimes trying to reach those 170g's can be pretty tedious and since I'm cutting that means less carbs and variety also. If I could take 60g of protein and eat carbs instead I'd be a happy camper lol. Cheaper too.

[Striation]

Thanks guys, yeah still on the low protein. Sorry for the lack of updates. I kind of screwed up over the winter and gained weight back but I am now only about 10-11 lbs from my low of last year so I am feeling pretty good now.

[Striation]

So, even through the bad times, I've stuck to counting calories so here is an update to get everything caught up.

Jan totals:
Daily Average: Exercise: 2636kcal Food: 2431kcal (Fat: 84.17g, Protein: 83.31g, Carbs: 346.68g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 81717kcal Food: 75373kcal (Fat: 2609.28g, Protein: 2582.65g, Carbs: 10747.02g)

Feb totals:
Daily Average: Exercise: 2526kcal Food: 3704kcal (Fat: 141.55g, Protein: 114.23g, Carbs: 504.52g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 70742kcal Food: 103709kcal (Fat: 3963.51g, Protein: 3198.36g, Carbs: 14126.58g)

Mar totals:
Daily Average: Exercise: 2579kcal Food: 2865kcal (Fat: 116.49g, Protein: 87.57g, Carbs: 372.52g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 79940kcal Food: 88814kcal (Fat: 3611.26g, Protein: 2714.61g, Carbs: 11548.27g)

April totals:
Daily Average: Exercise: 2914kcal Food: 2440kcal (Fat: 89.40g, Protein: 81.81g, Carbs: 338.19g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 87421kcal Food: 73187kcal (Fat: 2681.86g, Protein: 2454.16g, Carbs: 10145.69g)

May totals:
Daily Average: Exercise: 2946kcal Food: 2693kcal (Fat: 99.22g, Protein: 91.97g, Carbs: 362.40g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 91330kcal Food: 83475kcal (Fat: 3075.93g, Protein: 2851.00g, Carbs: 11234.42g)

June totals:
Daily Average: Exercise: 2882kcal Food: 2549kcal (Fat: 86.77g, Protein: 109.75g, Carbs: 335.72g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 86454kcal Food: 76461kcal (Fat: 2603.10g, Protein: 3292.63g, Carbs: 10071.45g)


Day 529
Total Deficit 78230=22.35
Deficit weight 193.6
Actual weight 185.8

[Bimarsha]

So, happy we can do well in less protein diet. Any difference because of low protein OP? Picture plz before and after..

[SubWooferCooker]

in for bump of peace update on epic thread that has inspired many to save money on protein, Cut was great, how did the low protein go with your bulk?

[New2Rugby]

HAve you noticed any changes in LBM. Weight and Bf%?

[lee__d]

bump

[WaterSnatcher]

bump

Great thread, thanks for bringing it up.
Now I can stop stop stressing about getting 1g protein per lb.

[Bimarsha]

bump bitches

[junebug116]

really liked this thread. I hope youkeep posting God bless! I really hated the 1gr of protein plus macrosLOL!
Romans10:9

[Striation]

Just a shameful update. I suck and got fattish again (currently 200). I am cutting again but with higher protein to see if I make better progress. I think I proved that it is possible to cut essentially disregarding macros and my end result most average people would be happy with. I did not get as lean as I wanted but that is because I completely fell off the wagon IMO. I am not going to update this as often and you will have to take my word that I am eating the same but with a daily protein shake as I will not be posting my full daily meals. I will post a link to my diet page so if you want to take the time, you can go through each day. I will have at least monthly updates with total calories in and out. I will post July's at the beginning of August. Thanks guys!


If you're wondering how my bulk went, well it was not an actual bulk it was a complete disregard for lifting or watching calories. The best thing about being a natural fatty is that I did not lose as much muscle mass as a normally skinny guy who loses weight. Only about a month in and I am shoulder pressing the 90's for sets of 5-6 despite my shoulder giving me issues. It is affecting my bench press a lot more than my shoulder press. Also, for some reason it seems that I am more solid than before when I was 200. Striations already appearing in chest and rear delts. Fitting into size 31-32 shorts and pants also which I did not think I could last time. Maybe I am wrong.


Hmmm, nevermind seems I am just under a protein placebo, lol, I was even better off last time at the same bodyweight. I went back to a section of this thread where I weighed the same and I was stronger and could get the 90lb. dumbbels for even more reps....

[Striation]

Daily Average: Exercise: 3177kcal Food: 2686kcal (Fat: 96.84g, Protein: 148.57g, Carbs: 315.61g)
Monthly Total: Exercise: 98501kcal Food: 83278kcal (Fat: 3002.13g, Protein: 4605.52g, Carbs: 9783.91g)

Calorie Breakdown:
Carbohydrate (47%)
Fat (32%)
Protein (21%)



Feeling pretty good about my progress. Somehow my weight is 2-3 lbs. higher than when I started back up yet I look better. Strength is rising quickly. Has to be some nice recomping going on. Love handles reduced by a good margin, chest and arms filling back out.The protein shake I am taking has creatine which has to be contributing to the weight gain. I mean there is a 7.74 lb. descrepancy. I never had that much of one in the last couple of years of tracking CICO.

Deficit
15223/3500=-4.34

Beginning weight in late June
198
Deficit weight
193.66
Actual weight
201.4

Link to diet page. http://fatsecret.com/Diary.aspx?pa=m...6252&id=956760

[Striation]

Figured that since I am using a phone app to track my workouts I can post some of them.

Mon. Aug. 4th
Chest day
Flat dbbell bench
50'sx9, 100'sx10, 110'sx13 120'sx8x7, 122.5'sx4

Incline Hammer Strength chest press
230x10, 270x10, 290x7, 310x7, 330x5

Wed. Aug 6th
Back and calves
Rack pulls
135x8, 225x10, 315x10, 405x10, 495x9, 545x4

Barbell rows
335X5, 335X6, 335X6, 335X5, 275X13, 275X11, 245X12

Chinups
9x6x5x

standing angled calf raises
100lbsx16x16x17x14x14

standing calf raises
100x20, 200x30