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    Indefinite Detention Bill Passes

    The Senate last night codified into law the power of the U.S. military to indefinitely detain an American citizen with no charge, no trial and no oversight whatsoever with the passage of S. 1867, the National Defense Authorization Act.

    One amendment that would have specifically blocked the measures from being used against U.S. citizens was voted down and the final bill was passed 93-7. Another amendment introduced by Senate Intelligence Committee Chairman Dianne Feinstein that attempted to bar the provision from being used on American soil, an effort to ensure “the military won’t be roaming our streets looking for suspected terrorists,” also failed, although Feinstein voted in favor of the bill anyway.

    Feinstein was able to include a largely symbolic amendment which states that “nothing in the bill changes current law relating to the detention of U.S. citizens and legal aliens,” but this measure is meaningless according to Republican Congressman Justin Amash, a fierce critic of the bill.

    “Some have asserted that Sen. Feinstein’s amendment, S Amdt 1456, protects the rights of American citizens and preserves constitutional due process. Unfortunately, it does not. It’s just more cleverly worded nonsense,” Amash wrote on his Facebook page.

    Though the White House has threatened to veto the bill, the fact that Obama administration lawyers yesterday reaffirmed their backing for state sponsored assassination of U.S. citizens would suggest otherwise.
    Not voting for the bill, or in other words upholding the oath to protect the Constitution, has been described over and over again as “political suicide”.
    “The bill puts military detention authority on steroids and makes it permanent, American citizens and others are at greater risk of being locked away by the military without charge or trial,” said Christopher Anders, senior legislative counsel for the American Civil Liberties Union.

    As Spencer Ackerman highlights, the bill completely violates the sixth amendment in that it allows American citizens to be locked up indefinitely, including in a foreign detention center, without any burden of proof whatsoever. An American merely has to be declared a terrorist and they can be abducted off the streets and never seen again.

    “The detention mandate to use indefinite military detention in terrorism cases isn’t limited to foreigners. It’s confusing, because two different sections of the bill seem to contradict each other, but in the judgment of the University of Texas’ Robert Chesney — a nonpartisan authority on military detention — “U.S. citizens are included in the grant of detention authority,” writes Ackerman.
    This is how it starts. Remember the Patriot Act was designed to catch terrorists?

    http://www.straight.com/article-4526...-not-terrorism

    How's that working out?
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    How do these jokers pass this, 97-3 when:

    As Spencer Ackerman highlights, the bill completely violates the sixth amendment in that it allows American citizens to be locked up indefinitely, including in a foreign detention center, without any burden of proof whatsoever. An American merely has to be declared a terrorist and they can be abducted off the streets and never seen again.
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    Sixth Amendment to the Constitution....
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence
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    I'd like to leave this trash pile of a country now, please.
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    “The founders of our nation considered the right of trial by jury…an important bulwark against tyranny and corruption, a ‘safeguard too precious to be left to the whim of the sovereign.” ~Chief Justice William Rehnquist, 1979
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    How is it any different than any other dictatorship ?

    They say 'you work against the state' ... bam! you're gone. No trial, no jury, can't prove your innocence. Your loved ones think you're dead somewhere, and eventually forget about you...

    the fuk is going on in this country man.. ?
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    Originally Posted by Flakker View Post
    the original



    disgusting, infuriating, sad, pathetic, scandalous

    John McCain wrote the bill, of all people. I hope he gets captured again and sodomized indefinitely. In before I'm labeled a threat and disappear for what I just said.
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    Originally Posted by doobiebro View Post
    John McCain wrote the bill, of all people. I hope he gets captured again and sodomized indefinitely. In before I'm labeled a threat and disappear for what I just said.
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    Guise....there is no need to worry. There is a certification hearing. So until you are certified as an enemy of the state..you are fine.

    I know some of you are thinking: hah! That certification hearing is a joke. No it's not. It is fair and balanced:
    It will be held in secret.
    Almost all evidence will be considered top secret, so you wont get to review/contest it.
    The people testifying against you will not be known because their identity is considered top secret.
    Your lawyer wont be able to talk about to anyone..ever. Otherwise he will be declared an enemy of the state too.
    Your lawyer wont be able to review the evidence because it is top secret and he doesnt have clearance.
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    NDAA of peace.



    What am I supposed to support now so I don't get labeled a terrorist?
    Don't bring up your so-called bill of rights and you should be juuuust fiiiiine...
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    To anyone that believes that the constitution is a living document subject to interpretation or that it's irrelevant because it's old, was written by a bunch of old, white, slave owning, elitists,
    FCKU!

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    Blah blah blah. You guys bitch and moan over this type of sh!t, but come election time you're defending either the Dem or GOP parties. I honestly don't care anymore, this country deserves the government it chooses.

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    John McCain wrote the bill, of all people.
    Good thing he didn't win presidency huh...
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    Is there anyone in the R&P that supports this?
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    Sixth Amendment to the Constitution....
    but it's not a "criminal prosecution", so how does that apply?
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    but it's not a "criminal prosecution", so how does that apply?
    You're right it isn't. It's a political assassination. Welcome to a third world banana republic controlled by a tin plated dictator.
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    6 hours ago, Ron Paul posted on facebook that Rand Paul "forced a vote in the Senate on an amendment that would have allowed the detaining of American citizens, even after being tried and found not guilty. Luckily the vote prevailed and the amendment was defeated!"

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    Did the mainstream media even cover this?
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    Did the mainstream media even cover this?
    Why would they? I mean, for example, even though Yahoo! is an online entertainment site and has news on the side, the first thing you're going to see is: "Mindy McCready's son in police custody". Who the phukk?

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    I'd like to leave this trash pile of a country now, please.
    Don't let the door hit you on the way out.
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    Feinstein knows her base is dumb enough to buy the symbolic gesture and ignore that she voted for the bill. She's pissed down their legs for decades now but all she has to do is periodically remind them that she's Friend To All Gays and back to the trough she goes.

    Obama's going to veto this of course...

    Senator Levin disclosed and Dave Kopel reported that, “it was the Obama administration which told Congress to remove the language in the original bill which exempted American citizens and lawful residents from the detention power”.
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    Originally Posted by TaeBoNinja View Post
    Blah blah blah. You guys bitch and moan over this type of sh!t, but come election time you're defending either the Dem or GOP parties. I honestly don't care anymore, this country deserves the government it chooses.

    They know the American voter isn't going to do anything about this.
    This.

    A lot of people criticize the Occupy protests, and then complain about stuff like this and don't do anything about it.

    In my opinion, that's even worse than some of those Occupiers that don't seem to have a clear objective. At the very least, they are unhappy about their representation, and want something done about it.
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    These two things seem pretty obvious, given current conditions:

    (1) Everyone will be SURVEILLED. Everyone. That's why cell phones, GPS, credit cards were made easily available btw.

    (2) Cash will be eliminated as its impossible to track. All transactions will be electronic and hence surveilled.
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    Originally Posted by yg7s7 View Post
    Did the mainstream media even cover this?
    The mainstream media is a branch of the government nowadays. Why would they want to alert the American people to the crimes they themselves are committing?
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    Is there anyone in the R&P that supports this?
    As a Christian, living in a Christian nation, I support this measure as an important step in the war against muslin terrorists!
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