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    A simple proof Islam is a false religion

    Islam asserts itself to be the final revelation of God thru the Jews and then Jesus and then His prophet Muhammad.

    But there are two easily proven flaws to this.

    1) is the continuity error, that the Quran fails to adequately reference the Old Testament, misquotes it frequently and also is not foretold in prophecy by the old testament, also any Prophet or the messiah must be of the Israeilites.

    2) the islamic Jesus is a false Jesus, this one is debatable but it is hard to claim that the Gospels authored 600 years before the Quran and evidenced by archaeology and accurately referencing the Old Testament prophecies to legitimate it, is somehow falsified and the Quranic version is correct without any references to the old testament.

    By Islam's own admission of being a revelation from God, they are to be held accountable to the tests found in Exodus for Prophecy and by those tests, FAILS!
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    You sir are an idiot.

    Moses foretells the coming of the prophet Muhammad alayhi Salam, in the old testament.

    The revelations of both and Torah and injil (the bible) have been highly tampered with throughout the ages, hence te reason for a final prophet, a final revelation and a miracle - the quran.

    Furthermore, the Quran removes the notion of the most high, omnipotent and lord of the worlds, being able o procreate and have a son, who himself was also god. This concept is rejected in the Quran, same Jesus, though he is a mere mortal.
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    Originally Posted by ThatsuavedudeD View Post
    You sir are an idiot.

    Moses foretells the coming of the prophet Muhammad alayhi Salam, in the old testament.

    The revelations of both and Torah and injil (the bible) have been highly tampered with throughout the ages, hence te reason for a final prophet, a final revelation and a miracle - the quran.

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    You forgot the part where Muhammad was the perfect Muslim, so it means that it's okay to sleep with 9 year old girls and kill people, which is then said to not be right by any sane person, which then invalidates Muhammad's perfection, which then results in my Muslim friends bertstaring me.
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    Originally Posted by Zeezprah View Post
    You forgot the part where Muhammad was the perfect Muslim, so it means that it's okay to sleep with 9 year old girls and kill people, which is then said to not be right by any sane person, which then invalidates Muhammad's perfection, which then results in my Muslim friends bertstaring me.
    Lol I hate when non-believers use this as a means of disestablishing the divinity of the prophet Muhammad. This was practised at the time, he surely did not fornicate with her until she had reached puberty.

    I highly doubt this is practised by any Muslim in the world currently. Context derives meaning you silly Kunt
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    So what you're saying is that the Quran proves itself? Even tho it contradicts the ONLY evidence we have of all former prophecies? The Bible?

    Please reference the Bible itself where it is proves the coming of Mohammed.

    Oh and it's ok, Archaeology proves the Old Testament was canonized by 200BC so it's not "falsified".
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    Lol was falsified afterwards you **** tard.

    It's obviously been translated many times, meaning is lost during translation.

    The torah says that it's ok for Jews to engage in usury, as long as its with a non-Jew does that sound like a revelation from the God of mankind?

    "I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and I will put My words in his mouth; and he shall speak to them all that I shall command him" Deuteronomy 18:18

    One instance of proof, he cannot be Jesus. As Jesus was supposedly unlike Moses, although both were Jewish. Moses was an orphan, however he had both a mother and father, like that of muhammad.

    Muhammad was to an orphan. Moses stems from ibrahim's son Ishmael, whilst Muhammad from his son isaac. Etc etc
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    A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was. Copy pasta
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    Is there a religion that isn't false?
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    Actually one of the strongest polemics for Christianity is that by Mohammed's time the Bible was translated with flawless accuracy into over 80 languages.

    The truth of the Bible is in the fact that it is so hard to falsify something that is so treasured by people with so many barriers to cultural exchange.

    It's hard to alter something with 80 different languages supporting it...now with 150 languages or more.

    As for the rest of your argument, quote the Bible when referencing it or don't reference it.

    I guarantee you don't know what's in the Bible.
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    Why try to disprove another religion? If it's not for you, pick yours and be happy.
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    Originally Posted by ThatsuavedudeD View Post
    A prophet like unto Moses. There were hardly any two prophets ,who were so much alike as Moses and Muhammad. Both were given comprehensive law code of life, both encountered their enemies and were victors in miraculous ways, both were accepted as prophets/statesmen and both migrated following conspiracies to assassinate them. Analogies between Moses and Jesus overlooks not only the above similarities but other crucial ones as well (e.g. the natural birth, family life and death of Moses and Muhammad but not of Jesus, who was regarded by His followers as the Son of God and not exclusively a messenger of God, as Moses and Muhammad were and as Muslim belief Jesus was. Copy pasta
    What is your source of understanding about Moses? You believe the Torah to be falsified.

    Furthermore, you must surely know that God only works thru His chosen people. The Jews/Hebrews/Israelites...the Tribe of Judah.

    No prophet may come thru anyone else other than the sons of Abraham and Isaac.

    That is the unbroken lineage Muhammad is not a part!

    Even if you make the awkward assertion that Ishmael is a descendent of Abraham, the Prophets must come thru Isaac ONLY!

    If this is not true then what truth does the Quran stand on? Because nothing corroborates the Quran.

    It is an isolated manufactured ideology with no lineage...no pedigree!

    At least the Bible is fully vouched for thru it's pedigree!
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    Originally Posted by IDNeon View Post
    Actually one of the strongest polemics for Christianity is that by Mohammed's time the Bible was translated with flawless accuracy into over 80 languages.

    The truth of the Bible is in the fact that it is so hard to falsify something that is so treasured by people with so many barriers to cultural exchange.

    It's hard to alter something with 80 different languages supporting it...now with 150 languages or more.

    As for the rest of your argument, quote the Bible when referencing it or don't reference it.

    I guarantee you don't know what's in the Bible.
    Keyword : polemic, which is a biased account not necessarily based in fact.

    Why did king James have his own bible

    Why do the Catholics

    Why do the Mormans, jehovas witness and Adventist all have there own version.
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    Something being translated with flawless accuracy is furthermore a paradox.




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    The Catholics and the Protestants (King James, Tyndale, etc) do not have different bibles.

    The translations differ if at all in the minutest of details and often those translations that differ at all are earlier works when translating to that language.

    For instance the King James Bible is the last English translation from Latin because it is seamlessly accurate with both the Latin and the Greek Bibles.

    The Greek, the Aremaic, the Syriac Bibles all agree. Same with the Armenian.

    There are more surviving copies of the second and third century bibles in the Syrian and Armenian than in Latin and Greek.

    So your suggestion there is a difference in translations? No

    Now you mention jehova witnesses, and seventh day Adventists,
    Etc.

    If they alter the Bible they are not Christian...they are cults, like Islam evidently is a cult because it has altered the words kept sacred in the Bible.
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    Lol how is Islam a cult, we believe in the same god you do.

    Our women wear scarves like your most pious women wear scarves.

    I pray to the god that Jesus prayed to

    Women of my faith where the same dress that Mary did.

    I just don't believe Jesus is my personal saviour.
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    Originally Posted by ThatsuavedudeD View Post
    Lol how is Islam a cult, we believe in the same god you do.

    Our women wear scarves like your most pious women wear scarves.

    I pray to the god that Jesus prayed to

    Women of my faith where the same dress that Mary did.

    I just don't believe Jesus is my personal saviour.
    But you don't understand what Christ's purpose was, you reject exactly what Jesus said, He said He is is God, not figuratively but because only God can forgive!

    Mercy is greater than Judgement.

    And Islam believes in the law, and the law can only condemn.

    This is not what God wants
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    Lol Jesus actually states that he is not god.


    In more then one instance in the bible

    13 People were bringing little children to Jesus to have him touch them, but the disciples rebuked them. 14 When Jesus saw this, he was indignant. He said to them, "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. 15 I tell you the truth, anyone who will not receive the kingdom of God like a little child will never enter it." 16 And he took the children in his arms, put his hands on them and blessed them. 17 As Jesus started on his way, a man ran up to him and fell on his knees before him. "Good teacher," he asked, "what must I do to inherit eternal life?"
    18 "Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered.
    "No one is good -- except God alone.

    Christians pick and choose biblical texts to refute their claims. However, you are nOthing but a polytheist believing in 3 gods.

    Does 1=3

    Or

    3=1?
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    Originally Posted by ThatsuavedudeD View Post
    You sir are an idiot.

    Moses foretells the coming of the prophet Muhammad alayhi Salam, in the old testament.

    The revelations of both and Torah and injil (the bible) have been highly tampered with throughout the ages, hence te reason for a final prophet, a final revelation and a miracle - the quran.

    Furthermore, the Quran removes the notion of the most high, omnipotent and lord of the worlds, being able o procreate and have a son, who himself was also god. This concept is rejected in the Quran, same Jesus, though he is a mere mortal.
    Ignorant fack.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dead_Sea_Scrolls
    40% of the Dead Sea scrolls which predates Christianity is text copied from Torah scrolls. The text is exactly the same as those of Torah scrolls today. So what's this alteration you were talking about?
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    The Catholics and the Protestants (King James, Tyndale, etc) do not have different bibles.

    The translations differ if at all in the minutest of details and often those translations that differ at all are earlier works when translating to that language.

    For instance the King James Bible is the last English translation from Latin because it is seamlessly accurate with both the Latin and the Greek Bibles.

    The Greek, the Aremaic, the Syriac Bibles all agree. Same with the Armenian.

    There are more surviving copies of the second and third century bibles in the Syrian and Armenian than in Latin and Greek.

    So your suggestion there is a difference in translations? No

    Now you mention jehova witnesses, and seventh day Adventists,
    Etc.

    If they alter the Bible they are not Christian...they are cults, like Islam evidently is a cult because it has altered the words kept sacred in the Bible.
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    Christ said He was God when asked if He was preaching such blasphemy by the Pharisees.

    This is precisely for what he was tried for and crucified for.

    Odd you take some segment and think it says one thing but ignore all the rest.
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    Originally Posted by IDNeon View Post
    Christ said He was God when asked if He was preaching such blasphemy by the Pharisees.

    This is precisely for what he was tried for and crucified for.

    Odd you take some segment and think it says one thing but ignore all the rest.
    Can you explain why Muslims believe and respect Jesus and Moses but the Jews and Christians are so hostile on Prophet Muhammed?
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    Originally Posted by _AdaM_ View Post
    Can you explain why Muslims believe and respect Jesus and Moses but the Jews and Christians are so hostile on Prophet Muhammed?
    Obviously they predate the Islamic religion, so aren't accepting of it. Otherwise theyd be Muslims lol.

    We respect Jesus and Moses as they are 2 of the most quoted prophets in the Quran.
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    Originally Posted by _AdaM_ View Post
    Can you explain why Muslims believe and respect Jesus and Moses but the Jews and Christians are so hostile on Prophet Muhammed?
    If Muslims believe and respect Jesus, why don't they believe He is the Christ?

    It's really that simple...why do we need Mohammed when Christ is all we need?
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    Originally Posted by IDNeon View Post
    If Muslims believe and respect Jesus, why don't they believe He is the Christ?

    It's really that simple...why do we need Mohammed when Christ is all we need?
    Lol 1 god or 3 you polytheist Phaggot.

    If Jesus died for all our sins, being the son Of god. Then I can do what the **** I want and still be granted.

    There is no day of judgement according to Christian logic. There cannot be, and if so. Who is the judge, god or Jesus?

    We believe in the immaculate conception, the miracles of healing etc

    We dont believe him to be a god, we don't believe he was resurrected, nor was he crucified.
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