British Bros, What do you think about the decline of your Country?

[Lean88]

That we would decline from being the position of world hegemon is the natural way of things, USA will decline from its position eventually and another country will take over (not for at least 25years though).
UK is still one of the best places in the world with a high standard of living. Yes its not the best anymore and yes it has problems but show me a country that doesnt

[Milo3]

Good point, Conservative or Labour, doesn't make a difference. They both continue the same policies.

You must be joking.

I read somewhere how the Conservative party is now capping immigration, trying to eliminate the benefit scroungers, trying to limit the debt, allowing small buisnesses to expand and less regulations, creating more jobs for younger ppl.

Any socialist party is scum and should be banned all together. They ruin society by allowing citizens to have this mind blowing "entitlement" mentality. That's why all the scum on welfare vote for socialist parties... i.e. Labour.

[tomahawk1984]

the government could make massive £bn savings if they pulled their fingers out, but they wont cos of the unions. Hence, the tax payers pay for the wastage that you speak of.

30 years of easy service or easier than private sector work, still doesnt deserve a final salary pension. The contributions will never come near the payouts they get back, why should they get one and the private sector dont? if want it then they should cover all of the costs.

I wouldn't call 30 years in the public sector as easy work. My job in a large corporation is much easier than my mother-in-laws job as a nurse but I earn more than her and will have a larger pension.

Private sector companies are not blameless in the demise of private sector pensions. They built up surpluses in their final salary schemes when the markets were booming in the 1980's but instead of saving this surplus for a rainy day (like the public sector did) they used it to off set their employee contributions and corporation tax. Final salary schemes work a lot like with-profit policies, the costs are covered by everyone that pays into the scheme, be it a doctor earning £120,000 or a receptionist earning £14,000.

[TotalGymFreak]

The worst thing about the state of Europe is that the people who have got us in this mess had been CONSTANTLY warned about what they were doing, and how it could, through no stretch of the imagination, have possible negative consequences.
It obviously started partly with Powell. EVEN labour now admit that mass immigration was stupid (though in the very next sentence after such admittance, Milliband was quick to pin it all on the Poles, not mentioning any others, slimey ***got). But how did they treat Powell? They mocked him and treated him as a monster espousing evil nonsense.

The bloody EU is another example for modern day Europe.

How we are expected to have ANY confidence whatsoever in our leaders bewilders me. It's as if they never cognitively graduate from the thought-processes of typical leftwing university/college kids.

Britain allowed for easy running immigration at the time because they didn't realise what a state eastern europe was (it was the cold war remember), and when Britain passed the immigration acts and whatnot, immigrants walked through heathrow and off the docks in london and whatever and took up residency. Thats why if you look into it, the roots of 1 or 2 generations or even 3 might come from this country even if they are originally polish, slovakian, czech or whatever, Britain didn't know how many people would desire to live there, because they had never experienced such a mess of the economy going up and down all the time, and if i'm honest, it had more problems to worry about than a few poles coming in every day, and the fact that the current immigrants spoke well of Britain and how good it was to their families back home, who then came along.

[wilshere]

rule britania

[Sinergy2010]

Immigration is only an issue if you're racist or stupid, or in the case of BNP voters, both.

The reason we're failing is becuase we're too soft, years ago we collectively lost our bollocks and we're too afraid to stand up for ourselves. Thanks to the EU, human rights, political correctness and a lack of respect and discipline we're raising generation after generation of lazy scum that instead of working and helping each other, just want to reproduce and get drunk. Financially the person that chooses to have children at a young age and then work very little, if at all, will be better off than those who try to work and pay their way. Being a drug addict, alcoholic, or being so 'stressed' or 'depressed' that you can't work, means you can also get loads of lovely free money thanks to those who are being taxed so heavily they can't even afford to buy a house.

Everyone feels like they're entitled to something that they're not, capitalism and marketing is brainwashing people into wanting things they can't afford, and when the state handouts aren't buying them the latest clothes and iPhones, they turn to violence and theft.
When they then find out they have to pay their own way, for example tuition fees, they decide it's a great idea to smash up our capital and yet again - cost us taxpayers more money.

This mofo is the only one who has an understanding of his homelands issues. Best line that sums it up? Weve become to soft. Political Correctness has killed so many countries and people are just to damn selfish to care anymore, right now everyone is fighting to maintain their piece of the dream while others come in just mooch it. What happens? People just watch as others steal and get ahead instead of standing up for the hard working people.

[CunnieUK]

Weak foreign presence from what used to be the most dominant empire in the world and serious immigration problems in the capitol and other cities. What else do you suppose a "decline" would look like?

The Romans were the most dominant empire in the world at one point, they don't seem to care too much about recapturing past glories. If they're willing to work, where is the problem? It would probably look like a decline if I couldn't go to university because I couldn't afford the $40,000 dollars they chargeper year, or if I got cancer and then had to work two jobs to pay for the treatment, for example.

[SezerTheGeezer]

In regards to the empire, none of us were around when the empire was at its peak. Also, I don't particularly think that taking control of other peoples countries for personal profit is a good thing. Any British person that gets teary eyed over the British Empire is an idiot. Your ancestors would have been working up someone's chimney. It was a completely aristocratic and horrible society to live in (still better than most of the world though).

I am very proud of the British armed forces today. Considering the UK's size, we have on of the best militaries in the world. Although the size of our forces pales in comparison to the US (and will eventually be completely eclipsed by nations like China and India) it allows us to put more spending into our special forces. This is why Britain has one of, if not the best intelligence service (SIS/Mi6) and special operative forces (SAS/SBS) in the world. The UK public should feel extremely proud of our military today. I am disgusted by what the current government is doing to our Navy though.

Immigration is the one thing that has disgusted me more than anything else in modern Britain. It has eroded a large part of the British identity and patriotism. Entire areas have been colonised by third world people and such culture has been installed there. I do not hate Muslims, but I hate the religion of Islam with a passion. It's alien to our Western culture and parts of London, Birmingham, Bradford and other places have been utterly destroyed by this mass immigration. These were all industrial towns that had their own culture and identity that have been changed beyond recognition. The policy of multiculturalism, specifically under Tony Blair has meant there has been 0 incentive for these immigrants to try and integrate into our society. It hurts me a lot to think of all the men and women of East London that underwent that vicious bombing campaign during WW2, in defiance of seeing our country invaded. Now the streets they used to live on are paved with mosques and run by Muslim gangs. It's terrible.

I don't like firearms and most Brits never possessed them when they were legal anyway. Britain was once an EXTREMELY safe country. It still is in many parts. But over the past 13 years or so it has got so bad that I fully advocate the right for the British public to bear arms. This is what happens when you open the gates to mass immigration from war torn, poverty stricken countries. They bring a ****load of criminals.

Unlike what most of you teenage American morons think, a military is not what makes a country. A culture, our values, our society is what makes up our country. There has been such a decline in the average citizens duty toward his/her country over recent years. There's no ****ing manners, nobody reads a book, there's a severe problem with binge drinking, we hardly make anything...it's a very depressing state of affairs. Gang/drug culture is so rabid amongst the youths in this country that you're facing bother just going down to your local shops in some areas.

I would like to stay here and watch Britain revert back to its old ways but I do not see it ever happening. There's a reason everybody's moving out. There's no way I would want to raise a family here. Looks like it's going to be Canada/Aus/NZ for me.

[Lean88]

You must be joking.

I read somewhere how the Conservative party is now capping immigration, trying to eliminate the benefit scroungers, trying to limit the debt, allowing small buisnesses to expand and less regulations, creating more jobs for younger ppl.

Any socialist party is scum and should be banned all together. They ruin society by allowing citizens to have this mind blowing "entitlement" mentality. That's why all the scum on welfare vote for socialist parties... i.e. Labour.

You are misinformed.
They cant cap immigration because we are in the EU and most of it comes from the EU. They haven't created more jobs for young people and the deficit has hardly gone down (even though they are trying)

[tomahawk1984]

You must be joking.

I read somewhere how the Conservative party is now capping immigration, trying to eliminate the benefit scroungers, trying to limit the debt, allowing small buisnesses to expand and less regulations, creating more jobs for younger ppl.

Any socialist party is scum and should be banned all together. They ruin society by allowing citizens to have this mind blowing "entitlement" mentality. That's why all the scum on welfare vote for socialist parties... i.e. Labour.

It is impossible to put a cap on immigration because people can move pretty much freely between EU countries.

Labour aren't socialist, they are left of centre but can be pretty far to the right on certain issues. To my knowledge there has never been a government in the UK you could consider socialist.

There is no doubt the welfare system has some major leaks but I would still like my taxes to go towards the benefits of someone who can't work because of an illness, or to go towards the child tax credits of a family that are struggling to keep their heads above water but have to pay for expensive child care because both parents are working.

[WhySoCereal]

The Romans were the most dominant empire in the world at one point, they don't seem to care too much about recapturing past glories. If they're willing to work, where is the problem? It would probably look like a decline if I couldn't go to university because I couldn't afford the $40,000 dollars they chargeper year, or if I got cancer and then had to work two jobs to pay for the treatment, for example.

The Roman empire you mentioned had their city ransacked and most of their people slaughtered...pretty sure they cared then.

[SezerTheGeezer]

Immigration is only an issue if you're racist or stupid, or in the case of BNP voters, both.

It's not, but the reason we can't do anything about it is because ****ing idiots like you equate being against mass immigration as being racist/stupid.

Ask any ****ing white man living in an Asian-Muslim area if it's any fun. IT'S NOT. Same goes for living in an Afro-Carribean area. They're all ****holes. Some white areas in this country are just as deprived (Toxteth etc) but we still have a huge immigration problem here.

[nontansto]

I hear white British women nowadays LOVE black men & most of them prefer black men over white guys

[CoolStoryBrotha]

I hear white British women nowadays LOVE black men & most of them prefer black men over white guys

British women are not yet tainted by the British Broadcasting Company

[CunnieUK]

Ask any ****ing white man living in an Asian-Muslim area if it's any fun. IT'S NOT. Same goes for living in an Afro-Carribean area. They're all ****holes. Some white areas in this country are just as deprived (Toxteth etc) but we still have a huge immigration problem here.

Wait, so let me get this right, people don't like living in poor areas?

Mind = blown

[Adamyo]

Immigration is only an issue if you're racist or stupid, or in the case of BNP voters, both.

You've clearly never been to Bradford.

[notsoslimjim]

The Eurozone and USA are in a far worse position than the UK economically. Why do people not understand this? The Eurozone won't last 5 years, a lot of French/German banks are going to be wiped out, and the USA can barely avoid bankruptcy because their political system is a failure. I could write a huge list on how awful the USA is but I won't bother here. Brits are guaranteed up to about £75,000 in savings by the government, and we are guaranteed things like emergency services and healthcare. They won't go on strike when times are tough. It's one of the only places in the world that has such stability in times of crisis.

The reason people seem to hate the UK is because of inner city immigrants. It's the recurring theme in this thread. If people leave the ****ing city it's no longer an issue. No one is putting a gun to their heads forcing them to live in some dump in Birmingham or Bradford. Yeah, we have a segment of society that has been brainwashed into believing that diversity and acceptance of Islam is a good thing. They think that being British means tolerating everyone no matter what. It's a masochistic and suicidal ideology for a culture, and slowly it is being stamped out. It's only really the BBC still perpetuating it, and the idiots in the UAF. Even Labour were forced to admit that their multiculturalism thing was a mistake. It's not too late to turn things around, integrate the immigrants we have, and stamp out Islam as a force in the country.

Mate I feel sorry for you, whilst I totally agree that multiculturalism is failure, you are living in a dream world thinking that Islam has any real power in this country..... This is half the problem with this country. The general population is too ignorant and has a too simplistic view on an opinion that is being force fed to them constantly through the media. Half of the population reads the Sun and the now defunct News of the World, they can wade through pages of tabloid celeb stories and not believe it, but put 15 or so fundamentalist Muslims in front of a home coming parade and the whole country begins to believe that Islam has too much power. I hear on a daily basis people judging others unfairly because of their employment status, FFS it even goes as far as saying that should a disabled person try to have some quality of life and do something fun, people will be quick to label them a benefit cheat.

Food for thought. Benefit fraud costs this country an estimated 1 billion a year.

Corporate tax evasion costs the UK an estimated 15 billion a year, some would suggest that the true figure rests much higher and possibly closer to 100 billion.

Benefit fraud is a massive national issue, whilst the tax evasion is just swept under the carpet.

Keep the sheeple at each others throats whilst they steal every ones money. Divide and conquer.

[notsoslimjim]

In regards to the empire, none of us were around when the empire was at its peak. Also, I don't particularly think that taking control of other peoples countries for personal profit is a good thing. Any British person that gets teary eyed over the British Empire is an idiot. Your ancestors would have been working up someone's chimney. It was a completely aristocratic and horrible society to live in (still better than most of the world though).

I am very proud of the British armed forces today. Considering the UK's size, we have on of the best militaries in the world. Although the size of our forces pales in comparison to the US (and will eventually be completely eclipsed by nations like China and India) it allows us to put more spending into our special forces. This is why Britain has one of, if not the best intelligence service (SIS/Mi6) and special operative forces (SAS/SBS) in the world. The UK public should feel extremely proud of our military today. I am disgusted by what the current government is doing to our Navy though.

Immigration is the one thing that has disgusted me more than anything else in modern Britain. It has eroded a large part of the British identity and patriotism. Entire areas have been colonised by third world people and such culture has been installed there. I do not hate Muslims, but I hate the religion of Islam with a passion. It's alien to our Western culture and parts of London, Birmingham, Bradford and other places have been utterly destroyed by this mass immigration. These were all industrial towns that had their own culture and identity that have been changed beyond recognition. The policy of multiculturalism, specifically under Tony Blair has meant there has been 0 incentive for these immigrants to try and integrate into our society. It hurts me a lot to think of all the men and women of East London that underwent that vicious bombing campaign during WW2, in defiance of seeing our country invaded. Now the streets they used to live on are paved with mosques and run by Muslim gangs. It's terrible.

I don't like firearms and most Brits never possessed them when they were legal anyway. Britain was once an EXTREMELY safe country. It still is in many parts. But over the past 13 years or so it has got so bad that I fully advocate the right for the British public to bear arms. This is what happens when you open the gates to mass immigration from war torn, poverty stricken countries. They bring a ****load of criminals.

Unlike what most of you teenage American morons think, a military is not what makes a country. A culture, our values, our society is what makes up our country. There has been such a decline in the average citizens duty toward his/her country over recent years. There's no ****ing manners, nobody reads a book, there's a severe problem with binge drinking, we hardly make anything...it's a very depressing state of affairs. Gang/drug culture is so rabid amongst the youths in this country that you're facing bother just going down to your local shops in some areas.

I would like to stay here and watch Britain revert back to its old ways but I do not see it ever happening. There's a reason everybody's moving out. There's no way I would want to raise a family here. Looks like it's going to be Canada/Aus/NZ for me.

How does it feel to not have free thought and your opinions given to you?

[SezerTheGeezer]

How does it feel to not have free thought and your opinions given to you?

Explain

[hoganrulz]

Muslim son of Pakistani immigrants checking in. I ****ing love England, but yes, we can't just be handing benefits over to anyone, the death of overtime and the lack of jobs everywhere is killing everyone's chances of being able to start work at 16 and put in some real sweat and then live a comfortable middle class life like so many of our parents did before us.

[Adamyo]

Also, pretty much everyone in this thread with their "opinions" are just that, and you'll never know how much multiculturalism has failed until you have lived in Bradford for 20 years, srs. come at me

[hoganrulz]

Also, pretty much everyone in this thread with their "opinions" are just that, and you'll never know how much multiculturalism has failed until you have lived in Bradford for 20 years, srs. come at me

I live in bradford and you are not wrong. so much tension between working class families of all races in this here area.

[notsoslimjim]

Explain

Its like reading an article from the Sun newspaper, which is truly only useful for wiping one's arse on. The population in general is Stupid and easily manipulated. Whatever they see on TV or read in the daily rag they believe. Ignorance is king in the UK. So much of the population think they know how to think for themselves but they are wrong, they are given their opinion, its rammed down their throats daily. You tell them but they don't want to know, they are too stupid.

[CaseyJamess]

Honestly, I have a lot of respect for the United Kingdom, so don't take this thread in a bad way.

But I've always been curious what native British people feel about the current state of there Country......

I mean you guys used to control the entire world, had the strongest navy, the best military, and probably the sickest Empire the world has ever seen, and today you guys have none of that.....

Also, let's be honest demographically parts of your Country have been completely overrun by immigrants....And yes you can say the same for the United States, but essentially the US is a nation of immigrants, while England is not. The people you guys once controlled are now flooding into your Countries i always found that a bit interesting.

What do you guys think caused the current state of your Country? What ended the British empire?

Personally, I think 60 years of liberalism has really taken it's toll on you guys but that's my personal opinion.

Dude our country is ****ed

Mum's dad, grandad, uncle, cousins, brother, great uncles, you name it served in the army or navy - many died serving the country (similar to many people's families). Now she is an older mother and doesn't have anyone supporting her (my dad had affair, wasn't married so kinda ****ed her over big time) no pension and has rheumatoid arthritis so cannot work as hard or as much as she wants without being in agony and basically has f all money- had to sell her house, supporting me after my dad has kinda stopped (dad is rich as well) but you'd think you know, the government would help her out? seen as her family has served the country, lost lives due to the wars- heck her dad got like multiple military medals for bravery and stuff. (this next bit doesn't apply to all, however) Now there are immigrants coming in, getting all this support off the government, not paying taxes etc and there families did F all for the country

It's outrageous if you ask me

In b4 'racist' I just think that the country should support the legacies and families of the people that supported it

[notsoslimjim]

Muslim son of Pakistani immigrants checking in. I ****ing love England, but yes, we can't just be handing benefits over to anyone, the death of overtime and the lack of jobs everywhere is killing everyone's chances of being able to start work at 16 and put in some real sweat and then live a comfortable middle class life like so many of our parents did before us.

Also you forget that social mobility was much higher in our parents years and after WW2. That is gone now, but yet most believe it is still there.

[SezerTheGeezer]

Its like reading an article from the Sun newspaper, which is truly on useful for wiping one's arse on.

Except it's not, because I never read The Sun.

The population in general is Stupid and easily manipulated.

As are you, to equate somebody who has concerns about mass immigration, living in an area that has suffered at the hands of mass immigration, to somebody that reads The Sun/Daily Mail.

Whatever they see on TV or read in the daily rag they believe. Ignorance is king in the UK. So much of the population think they know how to think for themselves but they are wrong, they are given their opinion, its rammed down their throats daily. You tell them but they don't want to know, they are too stupid.

My views are not in any way different to Richard Dawkins or Christopher Hitchens regarding Islam (who if anything are the people that have mostly influenced my views, as well as personal observation).

So how about you shut the **** up and stop making assumptions. Idiot.

[tomahawk1984]

Also, pretty much everyone in this thread with their "opinions" are just that, and you'll never know how much multiculturalism has failed until you have lived in Bradford for 20 years, srs. come at me

I grew up in an area that had a large mix of ethnic groups and there was definitely tension. Personally though I put this down to the conditions people lived in. Money was scarce, there weren't any jobs, one of the biggest employees in the city have just closed down.

Multiculturalism works great when people have money. There needs to be more to encourage integration, we need better inner city schools and a government that can promote jobs and a sense of work ethic again.

[hoganrulz]

Also you forget that social mobility was much higher in our parents years and after WW2. That is gone now, but yet most believe it is still there.

Those really were the golden years.

[hoganrulz]

I grew up in an area that had a large mix of ethnic groups and there was definitely tension. Personally though I put this down to the conditions people lived in. Money was scarce, there weren't any jobs, one of the biggest employees in the city have just closed down.

Multiculturalism works great when people have money. There needs to be more to encourage integration, we need better inner city schools and a government that can promote jobs and a sense of work ethic again.

This, rather than a government that hands out unbelievable amounts of benefits to immigrants whose only reason to come is to rape our country blind.

[Adamyo]

I live in bradford and you are not wrong. so much tension between working class families of all races in this here area.

oh lawd, where abouts?