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    Can you guise please critique my form from above?

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    Question from a relative DL newb:

    Is the negative portion of a DL worth thinking about? I dont do much weight (read: not strong enough) but I do have a pretty slow negative. Seems like everyone else is just getting the bar back to the floor and resetting. am I doing it wrong? Is that too much tension on your back?
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    Can you guise please critique my form from above?

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    They look good from what I can see! On the last few reps of 165x6 your back was rounding, so just watch out for that. Maybe try DLing in 3s or 5s to avoid that fatiquing moment.

    Otherwise I think you can lower the bar faster.

    Originally Posted by fad3d View Post
    Question from a relative DL newb:

    Is the negative portion of a DL worth thinking about? I dont do much weight (read: not strong enough) but I do have a pretty slow negative. Seems like everyone else is just getting the bar back to the floor and resetting. am I doing it wrong? Is that too much tension on your back?
    You want to ensure that you're not rounding your back carelessly on the way down. But I figure if you can lower the bar at a nice and leisurely pace it's time to up the weight!
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    Originally Posted by illiniStrive View Post
    They look good from what I can see! On the last few reps of 165x6 your back was rounding, so just watch out for that. Maybe try DLing in 3s or 5s to avoid that fatiquing moment.

    Otherwise I think you can lower the bar faster.



    You want to ensure that you're not rounding your back carelessly on the way down. But I figure if you can lower the bar at a nice and leisurely pace it's time to up the weight!
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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    Can you guise please critique my form from above?

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    I think Jim Wendler has perfect DL form, so here's his video:


    Three things he does differently than you (minus what illini mentioned):
    (1) Neck position - Look at how at the bottom he's looking down diagonally instead of straight forward. If you do it like him then you'll more than likely keep that lower back neutral.
    (2) Knee Break on Descent - You break at the knees too early when you're lowering the bar. This is something I actually picked up from Eric Cressey and I started noticing a lot of folks DL this way. This is so you don't have to put the bar around your knees on the descent.
    (3) Finish at the Top - Notice how he pulls his shoulders back and chest out? Also his finish is a more explosive, too, so it looks like he comes through his hips a lot more.

    As a note, don't try and fix all this at once. Pick one thing, fix it until you have it down then move on to the next thing (a Dave Tate advice).

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    Originally Posted by Ashlei View Post
    Time to bump this thread.

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    re: video, the angle is kinda awkward to really evaluate... but from what i see, they look decent. maybe a little lower back bend towards the end of your set though.
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    Originally Posted by feelsg00dmayne View Post
    damn strong as fuark girl! BTK status for real.

    re: video, the angle is kinda awkward to really evaluate... but from what i see, they look decent. maybe a little lower back bend towards the end of your set though.
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    I would get a larger arch (an arch in general) when you're benching since you seemed pretty flat (someone will more than likely note you're stopping before your chest - but some arching will remedy this).

    Your descent on the DL seemed a little awkward and I personally wouldn't bend my elbows like that on every rep (at the bottom) and keep constant tension. (Sure, keep the bar close - but I wouldn't let hit my knees like that lol)
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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    I would get a larger arch (an arch in general) when you're benching since you seemed pretty flat (someone will more than likely note you're stopping before your chest - but some arching will remedy this).
    I'd echo this.
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    Arching slightly, getting the scaps back and holding the shoulder girdle in that position will generally help with pec stimulation too.
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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    I would get a larger arch (an arch in general) when you're benching since you seemed pretty flat (someone will more than likely note you're stopping before your chest - but some arching will remedy this).

    Your descent on the DL seemed a little awkward and I personally wouldn't bend my elbows like that on every rep (at the bottom) and keep constant tension. (Sure, keep the bar close - but I wouldn't let hit my knees like that lol)
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    I'd echo this.
    Give this a read; http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/tra...technique.html

    Arching slightly, getting the scaps back and holding the shoulder girdle in that position will generally help with pec stimulation too.
    These. And also tuck elbows more for your bench.

    It seems like your lacking explosiveness. I would just do some lighter benching (50-65% 1RM) and really focus on the speed. It will also helps with motor units since you're changing your bench style.
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    Originally Posted by peanut-butter View Post
    I would just do some lighter benching (50-65% 1RM) and really focus on the speed. It will also helps with motor units since you're changing your bench style.
    In my opinion, speed work is pretty pointless in newer lifters. It's one of the reasons I removed it myself. All lifts should be explosive but he has too much weight on the bar for him since he couldn't complete one good rep. Just my opinion, though.

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    On your DL, you're squatting it more than DLing it. You can tell this by your scaps not being infront of the bar and your elbows being slack.

    You're also getting that scared cat look. Thoracic rounding isn't a big deal (a lot of pros do this) but you're also rounding at the lumbar. At that type of weight, you'll eventually hurt your back OR, if you're lucky, you might have a genetically sound lumbar and it can withstand a lot of punishment.

    You also break at the knees too early at the top which causes you to put the bar around your knees. Wait until the bar is past your knees then break.

    Originally Posted by phal
    I personally wouldn't bend my elbows like that on every rep (at the bottom) and keep constant tension.
    This. Having bent elbows can be pretty bad for your elbows. This is because the elbow joint is lax and suddenly shot into severe tension. Can cause some problems.
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    he has too much weight on the bar for him since he couldn't complete one good rep. Just my opinion, though.
    I disagree. While his form wasn't perfect it wasn't bad and with a few adjustments, I think it'd be pretty spot on.

    From what I see, I'd possibly play with hand positioning. While this is going to be personal preference, yours looks a little wider then what I've found to be comfortable. This will also help with elbow positioning and take some strain off the shoulders.

    As other have said, you should pop your chest out like your 'getting big' on somebody. If you do this and pin back your shoulder blades some then you will probably find some more explosiveness, especially at the bottom of your movement.
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    critiqueing is more than welcome and I'd love to hear any and all advice!
    Echoing what others have said about the DL. You are basically doing a squat motion on the way down. Do the first part of the decent like a stiiff legged dead and once its past the knees start flexing your kneejoint. The weight also looks a bit heavy for you, which I think its part of the reason you are getting a rounded back. Do you do any assistence work for deads?
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    Originally Posted by Lvisaa2 View Post
    I disagree. While his form wasn't perfect it wasn't bad and with a few adjustments, I think it'd be pretty spot on.
    The hardest portion for most people on the bench is the bottom half of it, especially when you get close to touching the chest. Trouble at the bottom is consistent with weakness in the chest, lats, and/or back. By stopping short you avoid the weakness present. That's why people can bench more in the floor press or with shorter range of motion. If he were to tuck his elbows in then the bar path distance would increase but of course this is remedied by using more arch. The point is that he didn't do one full rep with the weight he did. It's very easy to do more weight when you stop even two or three inches from the chest. By decreasing the weight he will be able to use full ROM which is far more important than pushing a lot of weight with incomplete ROM. To me, he didn't complete one good rep because there wasn't full ROM on any of them.
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    bloody awesome advice, thanks everybody

    to reiterate on bench; was not aware that hitting the chest was essential on bench, I'd heard different things but I suppose I had been falsely assuming it was more a preferential thing, good thing I got vids up

    to reiterate on DL's; I always assumed that dropping it without bending the knees would be potentially dangerous on the lower back, I guess why I'd been doing the 'squat' thing on the way down, again good I got vids up.

    so basically on DL's -
    break the knees after bar is past them going down
    less rounding of lumbar
    scaps infront of bar

    bench -
    bigger arch
    hit chest
    potentially lower weight
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    Originally Posted by ErickStevens View Post
    The thread needs more estrogen, here's my GF's last DL PR:
    How did you get your GF to do proper lifts? Srs, pls tell. I'm so ****ing sick of women saying "if I lift hard I'll get so muscular, I just want to tone up", then proceeds to do the most brotastic routine with 15lb dumbells for everything. I've got my wife working on squats now at least but she doesn't want to bench, press, row or DL for the same reasons.

    Originally Posted by ErickStevens View Post
    lol @ that ******* in the video having trouble with 475 x 3. He weighs 220lbs too.
    PS I hate you [275 squat at 230 ]

    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    I think Jim Wendler has perfect DL form, so here's his video:
    Three things he does differently than you (minus what illini mentioned):
    thanks very much dude.
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    Originally Posted by brendbro View Post
    bench -
    bigger arch
    hit chest
    potentially lower weight
    Not a 'big arch' per se....but a slight one will help.
    Add holding scaps back keeping them back/strengthening scaps. Add some facepulls to off days or scap pushups+band pull aparts. Scapula strength is great for posture and bench and form.

    This one is amazing to re-iterate actually stimulating the pecs during benching; http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/tra...-the-pecs.html
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    Originally Posted by brendbro View Post
    to reiterate on bench; was not aware that hitting the chest was essential on bench, I'd heard different things but I suppose I had been falsely assuming it was more a preferential thing, good thing I got vids up
    I'll avoid going to my chest if I ever can do bench again, I disagree with taking your elbows below 90 as it puts so much strain on the rotators/scap

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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    I'll avoid going to my chest if I ever can do bench again, I disagree with taking your elbows below 90 as it puts so much strain on the rotators/scap

    Just my POV
    Pretty sure elbow placement at the bottom of the lift has more to do with this than anything else. If you keep your elbows too far out (crucifix style) it puts more stress on your chest and rotator cuffs. Having your elbows closer to your body shouldn't result in rotator cuff issues. Would also ensure your tri's get hit pretty hard.
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    Originally Posted by AlwaysTryin View Post
    I'll avoid going to my chest if I ever can do bench again, I disagree with taking your elbows below 90 as it puts so much strain on the rotators/scap

    Just my POV
    Decline bench and/or an arch helps with this. Plus his grip is wide as hell so going closer will protect shoulder more.
    Incline press is generally better to widen the grip as elbows won't go that far past the torso.
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    gave those lyle articles a read over, great stuff! Keen on putting all this advice into action, I'll be benching again in a couple days and will get some more vids up to see how my arch looks.

    The different opinions on whether or not touching the chest is essential is I suppose why I'd been a bit confused on the issue, but I will say that I certainly do not feel as though I have any trouble stimulating the pecs during bench as it's always sore as fukk during/afterward, in fact if anything I feel I have trouble stimulating tri's considering my 'wide as hell' grip
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