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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    It's the furthest thing from a beginners program, lol.
    I thought #29 was a beginner's program as it states on the eliteFTS website. http://www.elitefts.com/sheiko/
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    Originally Posted by sawoobley View Post
    I thought #29 was a beginner's program as it states on the eliteFTS website. http://www.elitefts.com/sheiko/
    Beginner as in "anyone that has not done a full Sheiko program "
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    Originally Posted by sawoobley View Post
    I thought #29 was a beginner's program as it states on the eliteFTS website. http://www.elitefts.com/sheiko/
    I meant Sheiko in its entirety.

    Obviously some of the easier routines are to get someone accustomed, but something like 40 or 30 aren't for a beginner lifter, not in the slightest.

    Taken from the website:

    "I recommend that beginners start with #29, with "beginner" being anyone that has not done a full Sheiko program starting with accurate and not estimated 1RM. "
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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    I meant Sheiko in its entirety.

    Obviously some of the easier routines are to get someone accustomed, but something like 40 or 30 aren't for a beginner lifter, not in the slightest.

    Taken from the website:

    "I recommend that beginners start with #29, with "beginner" being anyone that has not done a full Sheiko program starting with accurate and not estimated 1RM. "
    Sometimes my reading comprehension takes a vacation. Will hold off for a bit. May employ Madcow 5x5 first.
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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    I meant Sheiko in its entirety.

    Obviously some of the easier routines are to get someone accustomed, but something like 40 or 30 aren't for a beginner lifter, not in the slightest.

    Taken from the website:

    "I recommend that beginners start with #29, with "beginner" being anyone that has not done a full Sheiko program starting with accurate and not estimated 1RM. "
    Yeah, I read that. So do you think they are suggesting beginning with starting strength and then doing #29 afterwards or can they start out with #29 at the start?
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    Originally Posted by PerpetualMotion View Post
    Sometimes my reading comprehension takes a vacation. Will hold off for a bit. May employ Madcow 5x5 first.
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    Yeah, I read that. So do you think they are suggesting beginning with starting strength and then doing #29 afterwards or can they start out with #29 at the start?
    I think any semi-experienced lifter can jump into 29/37 - but if it was someone just starting out I wouldn't suggest it.

    I wasn't trying to dissuade from anyone from trying it.
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    Originally Posted by phal View Post
    I think any semi-experienced lifter can jump into 29/37 - but if it was someone just starting out I wouldn't suggest it.

    I wasn't trying to dissuade from anyone from trying it.
    Thanks for the response. I was just wondering because I saw the program a while back and thought it was pretty high volume for being their beginning program especially when compared to starting strength. It wasn't clear to me if they started people out on #29 or something else.
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    I think a beginner could start into 29. Just would want someone there guiding the lifts. The low intensity / high frequency would give a great opportunity to drill down form.

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    475 deadlift. +35 in 10 weeks. I luve sheiko.
    I added like 60 lbs to my squat and 40+ to my DL as well highfive.
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    It's amazing how differently people do things - Your back/bi day consists of 9 sets, my last one consisted of 52. Just shows that there is more than one way to skin a cat
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    After my meet: Smolov. Deload. Sheiko #37.
    After that, your legs are going to be even more solid. thick. tight.
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    After that, your legs are going to be even more solid. thick. tight.
    That's the plan, broham! I'm more worried about dem glutes though.
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    That's the plan, broham! I'm more worried about dem glutes though.
    Romanian deadlifts and BSS. srs
    That's how I got mine.
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    Romanian deadlifts and BSS. srs
    That's how I got mine.
    Romanian Deadlifts do jackshiit for mine. I can do 405 for reps. Good for hamstrings, no so much for the booty. I've found the 3 best things for my ass growth have been (in order of importance): 1. Breaking parallel on squats 2. BB Glute Bridges 3. PullThroughs.

    Due to squatting just barely parallel for pretty much my whole life, I've become very quad dominant. I now have a tiny ass and big hams/quads. Also, I am very weak out of the hole (that's what she said) on squats because of my weak butt.
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    Weird, but I guess everyone responds differently.
    I have weaker hams in my opinion, will try to rectify on the upcoming bulk, but glutes were always one of my strong points.
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    Originally Posted by ErickStevens View Post
    Romanian Deadlifts do jackshiit for mine. I can do 405 for reps. Good for hamstrings, no so much for the booty. I've found the 3 best things for my ass growth have been (in order of importance): 1. Breaking parallel on squats 2. BB Glute Bridges 3. PullThroughs.

    Due to squatting just barely parallel for pretty much my whole life, I've become very quad dominant. I now have a tiny ass and big hams/quads. Also, I am very weak out of the hole (that's what she said) on squats because of my weak butt.
    Can't you just widen your stance and squat PL?
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    Can't you just widen your stance and squat PL?
    That's exactly what I've been doing since January.
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