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    Originally Posted by Hansolo261 View Post
    Wow. First off fellas superdrol is a steriod

    Second if ou trying to remain natty then just leave all of these test boosters and gray area hormones alone..
    I am trying to stay natty, but even natty pros use these legal ph's, I'm just trying to figure out the best stuff to take. Also, noticed you're from noblesville,I graduated from ball state.
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    okedoki ppl read this stuff here and make a better judgement of what your dealing with talking about and taking. A prohormone is a substance that is a precursor to a hormone, having no health risk, and usually having minimal hormonal effect by itself. The term has been used in medical science since the middle of the 20th century. The primary function of a prohormone is to enhance the strength of the hormone that already occurs in the body. Prohormones add no hormones whereas steroids add hormones which commonly causes confusion between the two. Examples of natural, human prohormones include proinsulin and pro-opiomelanocortin.

    For peptide hormones, the conversion process from prohormone to hormone typically occurs after export to the endoplasmic reticulum and often requires multiple processing enzymes. For example, proinsulin is processed by PC 1/2, PC 3, and carboxypeptidase E to afford insulin.[citation needed] Proamylin, which is cosecreted with proinsulin, requires the above three factors and an amidating monoxygenase.

    For small molecule hormones, the conversion is often one step, and is often used to regulate hormone levels.In the last two decades, prohormones have also been used by bodybuilders, athletes, and nonmedical users of anabolic steroids and other hormones to refer to substances that are expected to convert to active hormones in the body. The intent is to provide the benefits of taking an anabolic steroid without the legal risks, and to achieve the hoped-for benefits or advantages without use of anabolic steroids themselves. Many of these compounds are legal to manufacture, sell, possess and ingest eliminating the legal problems associated with real steroids.

    A typical prohormone is intended to be a precursor of an anabolic steroid like testosterone, which is taken in order to boost the body’s available hormone supply. These precursors are intended to be converted to full, active hormones via an enzymatic process that occurs during metabolism, typically resulting in the addition of whichever atoms happen to be missing from the chemical structure of the compound.

    Prohormones are used mainly by athletes looking to increase size, strength, endurance, reduce recovery time or add lean body mass. They are most often used for increasing muscle mass or reducing body fat levels. Life extension groups are also increasingly using prohormones as a means of hormone replacement therapy, as an alternative to prescription drug use.

    The use of prohormones has become popular among bodybuilders, since the effects can be similar (though normally much less drastic) to those achieved through the use of synthetic anabolic steroids, including gains in muscular strength and hypertrophy. There are currently many companies manufacturing prohormone products for this purpose.

    Prohormones have the same side effects as anabolic steroids, and are dependent upon the user as to which side effects one might experience. Some side effects are acne, hair loss, breast tissue enlargement, and prostate swelling.

    The potential for these side effects does exist, but it can be reduced if one uses proper precautionary measures such as post cycle therapy (PCT).[citation needed] Generally, if a person is genetically predisposed to a side effect it will occur (i.e.: if someone has a history of male pattern baldness in the family, it could be assumed that this could be a side effect experienced if prohormones are used)

    On October 22, 2004, President Bush signed into law the Anabolic Steroid Control Act of 2004 (118 Stat. 1661).[1] The bill was written to become effective in 90 days, which was January 20, 2005. This legislation places both anabolic steroids and some prohormones on a list of controlled substances (a new type of "regulatory control").[1][1][citation needed] This bans the selling or possessing of only the following prohormones.[1]

    Banned list

    androstanediol—3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane; and 3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androstane;

    androstanedione (5a-androstan-3,17-dione);

    androstenediol—1-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

    1-androstenediol (3a,17b-dihydroxy-5a-androst-1-ene);

    4-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-ene); and 5-androstenediol (3b,17b-dihydroxy-androst-5-ene);

    androstenedione—1-androstenedione ([5a]-androst-1-en-3,17-dione);

    4-androstenedione (androst-4-en-3,17-dione); and 5-androstenedione (androst-5-en-3,17-dione);

    bolasterone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    boldenone (17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4,-diene-3-one);

    calusterone (7b,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    clostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    dehydrochloromethyltestosterone (4-chloro-17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-dien-3-one);

    1-dihydrotestosterone (a.k.a. `1-testosterone') (17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

    4-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-androstan-3-one);

    drostanolone (17b-hydroxy-2a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one);

    ethylestrenol (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-ene);

    fluoxymesterone (9-fluoro-17a-methyl-11b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    formebolone (2-formyl-17a-methyl-11a,17b-dihydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

    furazabol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrostano[2,3-c]-furazan);

    13a-ethyl-17a-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one;

    4-hydroxytestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-androst-4-en-3-one);

    4-hydroxy-19-nortestosterone (4,17b-dihydroxy-estr-4-en-3-one);

    mestanolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one);

    mesterolone (1a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    methandienone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-1,4-dien-3-one);

    methandriol (17a-methyl-3b,17b-dihydroxyandrost-5-ene);

    methenolone (1-methyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst-1-en-3-one);

    methyltestosterone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    mibolerone (7a,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    17a-methyl-*1-dihydrotestosterone (17b-hydroxy-17a-methyl-5a-androst-1-en-3-one) (a.k.a. `17-a-methyl-1-testosterone');

    nandrolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    norandrostenediol—19-nor-4-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

    19-nor-4-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-4-ene);

    19-nor-5-androstenediol (3b, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene); and 19-nor-5-androstenediol (3a, 17b-dihydroxyestr-5-ene);

    norandrostenedione—19-nor-4-androstenedione (estr-4-en-3,17-dione); and 19-nor-5-androstenedione (estr-5-en-3,17-dione;

    norbolethone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4-en-3-one);

    norclostebol (4-chloro-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    norethandrolone (17a-ethyl-17b-hydroxyestr-4-en-3-one);

    oxandrolone (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-2-oxa-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    oxymesterone (17a-methyl-4,17b-dihydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    oxymetholone (17a-methyl-2-hydroxymethylene-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androstan-3-one);

    stanozolol (17a-methyl-17b-hydroxy-[5a]-androst-2-eno[3,2-c]-pyrazole);

    stenbolone (17b-hydroxy-2-methyl-[5a]-androst-1-en-3-one);

    testolactone (13-hydroxy-3-oxo-13,17-secoandrosta-1,4-dien-17-oic acid lactone);

    testosterone (17b-hydroxyandrost-4-en-3-one);

    tetrahydrogestrinone (13b,17a-diethyl-17b-hydroxygon-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

    trenbolone (17b-hydroxyestr-4,9,11-trien-3-one);

    and any salt, ester, or ether of a drug or substance described in this paragraph
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    Why are test boosters and PH's being compared at all? One shuts down natural testosterone production, the other boosts it. You can take test boosters and remain "natty", PH's not so much.
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    Originally Posted by Proposturalized View Post
    Why are test boosters and PH's being compared at all? One shuts down natural testosterone production, the other boosts it. You can take test boosters and remain "natty", PH's not so much.
    srs? both boost test on a temporary basis
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    Originally Posted by KimJong-il View Post
    Test boosters are far from a waste of money, if you look at this scientific study at longjack for example on humans you can observe significant ergogenic effects.

    THE ERGOGENIC EFFECTS OF EURYCOMA
    LONGIFOLIA JACK: A PILOT STUDY
    S. Hamzah, A. Yusof. Department of Exercise Physiology, Sports Centre,
    University of Malaya, 50603 Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

    Eurycoma longifolia Jack (ELJ), which contains quassinoids such as
    eurycomalacton, eurycomanon, and eurycomanol, has been reported
    to have aphrodisiac properties and to increase testosterone levels in
    men.1

    Previous studies have established that the testosterone
    supplementation increases fat free mass, muscle strength, and muscle
    mass, which are important for physical function and athletic perform-
    ance.2,3

    Thus, the objective of this study was to investigate the effect of
    the increase in testosterone levels, obtained by administration of ELJ,
    on body composition and muscle strength and size in man. Fourteen
    healthy men performed an intense strength training programme with
    initial load of 60% RM (2 sets of 10 repetitions with 1 minute rest
    between, for 10 stations) on alternate days for five weeks. Simultane-
    ously, seven men were randomly selected to consume 100 mg/day
    ELJ water soluble extract, and seven men received placebo. The inten-
    sity of the exercise was increased by 10% RM/week. Body composi-
    tion, arm circumference, one repetition maximum (1 RM), and surface
    electromyography (sEMG) activity were measured and recorded one
    day before and after the five weeks of supplementation and interven-
    tion. The lean body mass of the treatment group showed a significant
    increment, from 52.26 (7.18) kg to 54.39 (7.43) kg (p = 0.012), but
    no significant changes in fat free mass were observed in the placebo
    group. Percentage body fat was significantly decreased in the
    treatment and placebo group, from 31.30 (5.48)% to 28.44 (6.43)%
    (p = 0.01) and from [b]22.83 (2.43)% to 21.33 (2.35)%]/b] (p = 0.001)
    respectively. The 1RM test showed a significant increase from 73.71
    (16.63) to 78.71 (17.0) kg (p = 0.006) in the treatment group and
    from 77.29 (8.9) to 79.43 (8.8) kg (p = 0.011) in the placebo group.
    The increase in strength in the treatment group was larger than in the
    placebo group (6.78% and 2.77% respectively). The mean frequency
    of sEMG on the biceps in the treatment and placebo groups
    decreased significantly, from 121.77 (40.0) to 90.47 (64.6) ?V (p =
    0.012) and from 127.95 (30.9) to 98.8 (50.1) ?V (p = 0.036)
    respectively. The treatment produced 2.92% greater reduction in elec-
    trical activity of the muscle measured at the end of the experiment
    compared with placebo. The mean arm circumference of the treatment
    group increased significantly by 1.8 cm after the supplementation,
    from 30.87 (1.88) to 32.67 (1.96) cm (p = 0.011), but there was no
    significant increase in the placebo group. The results suggest that
    water soluble extract of Eurycoma longifolia Jack increased fat free
    mass, reduced body fat, and increased muscle strength and size.

    what a pile of sht study
    well i do this by repeatedly barging into small groups of people, usualy shirtless preferably pantless as well. i then tell them my max's then put some of the smaller weaker fellows into headlocks, making sure to fully flex my bi's while doing this its pretty important. also when doing the hokie pokie and it says put ur left foot in i go ahead and put my whole leg in and flex my quads while howlin loudly
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    Originally Posted by RVAPump View Post
    srs? both boost test on a temporary basis
    My mistake. I was referring to the long term effects of PH's (without proper PCT of course).



    Regardless, they should not be discussed like they are one in the same.
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    Two entirely different categories that have the potential of offering very different results and side effects. While PH's will be exponentially more effective, the same if true of their danger.

    Look into Test Factor as a potent natural lean mass catalyst.
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    Originally Posted by NJTeenBeast View Post
    AAS stands for anabolic-androgen steroids, bodybuilding.com doesn't like the word steroids being thrown around a lot, so AAS is a safe term to use.

    And I've heard claims that almost sound ridiculous for d-aspartic acid (from sales reps of course), for example a 33% increase in test. It's also pretty expensive especially for having only a few studies done on it in any species.
    DAA is expensive? In comparison to ph, along with on cycle post cycle supps..Yeah right. DAA is probably the MOST least expensive way to go.
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    Lotta broscience here.

    The only PH left by definition is m14add, and even though people say it has a 15% conversion to dbol, no one knows for sure.

    Everything else that is popular is an active steroid (hdrol, mdrol, pmag, m-lmg, epi, etc) or plants that don't do **** (i.e. natty test boosters).
    Frank B. Colton synthesized Nilevar. It is the first anabolic steroid released commercially in 1957 by Searle.
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    Originally Posted by SwolenONE View Post
    Two entirely different categories that have the potential of offering very different results and side effects. While PH's will be exponentially more effective, the same if true of their danger.

    Look into Test Factor as a potent natural lean mass catalyst.
    Sorry brah, I only buy from companies who serve legal papers to their competition and post it on YouTube, and use studies with 30% bodyfatters to back up their products. I've just got higher moral standards than most I guess.

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    Originally Posted by jdarling44 View Post
    im looking to start a pro hormone or a test booster. I'm not sure what the best on the market is for the money. Has anyone tried any or heard of any? Any suggestions?
    AA EFX Test Charge had some good reviews.
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    Originally Posted by RVAPump View Post
    srs? both boost test on a temporary basis
    Test boosters boost test, steroids/ph's decrease it. When you supply your body with pro-hormones your natural production decreases and potentially shuts it down. Yes, your test may be higher but your natural production is dropping not boosting.
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