This may be one of my more successful threads that I started while looking for info haha. Theres a lot of good info in here. The most successful thing Ive tried from this post is definitely the hanging from the pullup bar. Ive done it twice in 4 days (2 visits to the gym, too busy other days) and my back feels absolutely incredible. Now, thats not all Ive been doing..Ive also been stretching like a maniac and doing my reverse hypers...But I have to say the little bit of an extra boost Ive gotten from the hanging, is incredible!
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Thread: Spinal decompression exercises?
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09-01-2011, 10:55 AM #31Amat Victoria Curam
Current/Goal
Weight- 265/235-245 (lean)
Body fat- 18%/8%
Bench Press- 290lbs/315lbs
Squat- 325/405
Deadlift- 365/415lbs
(Herniated l5-s1 and l4-l5)
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09-14-2011, 11:39 PM #32
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09-15-2011, 02:51 AM #33
There's no requirement to invert yourself at any time. but if you're interested in doing the best for your spine, active movement will often have a higher pay off than passive work - unless we just want to hang out, relax etc.
We're designed for movement. The main thing to think about in any movement is to complement what we do in any range of motion
so if you do lots of loaded work that *may* compress the spine (but so what it's designed to support this - that's what the discs are for), then you may wish to consider complementary movements.
A great movement is to learn how to focus on the thoracic spine and be able - wihout shoulder involvement - to glide *just* the thoracics into extension and then back into flexion - likewise - to slide them from one side to the other - without tilting (like doing the egyptian neck thing but with just the upper spine).
WHen those are controlled, do circles hitting front, left side, rear, right side, front.
If you wish to practice even more spinal core work, headstands also followed by these thoracic glides is great to work the spine in alternative loads.
In other words - it's less about passive hanging and more about active movement.
Passive hanging can be fun and relaxing like a massage - but active work that gets more of the nervous system involved to manage a movement - that's gold.
and it's something that can be done pre and post sets
mc
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09-15-2011, 06:54 AM #34
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09-15-2011, 07:31 AM #35
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09-15-2011, 09:18 AM #36
Out spines are designed to manage compression. It is actually terrific to work the disks - if they were never loaded they'd start to atrophy. we see that all the time in the elder slumped shoulders.
Compression is not the same as compressed - as in less space between disks that is "normal"
Most of us (over 70% of adults) have some form of compressed disk (many are diagnosed with herniation but that's an MRI job to confirm - maybe you've had that)
and really, so what? Most of us who have herniated disks don't back squat significant loads or do the clean and jerk, we didn't get it from "compression" activities: we got it from crappy movement, and/or poor technique.
mc
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09-15-2011, 09:19 AM #37
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09-15-2011, 09:33 AM #38
To be fair, I made the thread as someone with a herniated disc, so anything involving re-compressing the spine is just outa my vocabulary right now =x just looking strictly for decompression.
Amat Victoria Curam
Current/Goal
Weight- 265/235-245 (lean)
Body fat- 18%/8%
Bench Press- 290lbs/315lbs
Squat- 325/405
Deadlift- 365/415lbs
(Herniated l5-s1 and l4-l5)
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09-15-2011, 09:51 AM #39
I'm not sure a specific time. C+J would have traction elements (like when you rapidly try to sink into a squat under the bar before catching it, if you're doing it that way). Military press weights usually being less than squats/deadlift the cushioning would probably stay longer. Not sure what last one is.
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09-16-2011, 06:14 AM #40
GS is kettlebell sport. The long cycle for men is clean and jerking two 24 or 32 kg kb's for ten minutes for max reps.
but that's neither here nor there
you asserted i believe that i had said our spines are designed for "prolonged" compression - and i am asking what you mean by prolonged before i can say whether i said that or not.
My immediate response is to say - do the fast loads for lifts that we train to carry out with perfect form, and balance with perfect movement practice - count as "prolonged"?
mc
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09-16-2011, 08:13 AM #41
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09-17-2011, 03:43 PM #42
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09-17-2011, 04:58 PM #43
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09-20-2011, 02:55 PM #44
I was responding to "lots of loaded work that *may* compress the spine (but so what it's designed to support this - that's what the discs are for)". So I don't think either of us gave specifics. I don't have the knowhow to put a number on something like this, I just thought the discs were for absorbing shocks as opposed to prolonged compression.
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09-21-2011, 03:41 AM #45
Again what's "prolonged" about the compression in any work that we do with weights? and what's the difference between "shock absorption" and "compression" beyond speed?
Prolonged would be holding a weight over one's head for how long? do we have any measures at all about what that means? do any of us live that condition?
it's too hypothetical - at least for me.
our discs compress and decompress all the time - not just under shock - joints need spacers in order to act as joints.
oh well we're getting off track - the focus here was hanging upside down.
my point is that like massage can be nice relieve, but is better when backed up with active mobiliazation to make sure that those suspended joints can move under control and under demand - how mobile are the verts in one's spine? that doesn't often come by passively hanging but by actively practicing - giving the brain a map - of movement to follow.
We're use it or lose it organisms: if we don't practice self-controlled movement of a joint, not only does atrophy and crap set in, but the brain map about how to do that movement starts to decay if it was ever built at all. the brain will use those neurons to do other things better - which may be crappy movement that's getting reinforced.
mc
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09-21-2011, 04:54 PM #46
By comparison. Like a set of 10 squats is a longer period than the half second or so it might take to take a step or sprint or leap.
Probably rebound. If we get squashed, we can bounce out of it and possibly even make ourself momentarily weightless, creating pulling tractions to let the discs absorb moisture again.
The length depends on how much weight it is and how much moisture is already in the discs. I don't have any formulas here, it's abstract as opposed to hypothetical I think.
I agree, but they mostly compress if we're supporting a vertical load with our spine, for example. The decompression can begin when the compression stops, and it is delayed if the compression lasts longer.
I guess, I'm all for inverted and um... verted? traction both.
Mobilizing the vertebrae can be difficult for people whose discs are flat, some people get pain from nerve impingement. Passive hanging is only an initial step, most people do mobility exercises while under traction. Simply hanging is like a warmup.
This is true. Part of teaching the nerves is allowing them to send their messages, hopefully painfree, though.
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05-04-2014, 12:16 PM #47
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05-04-2014, 01:04 PM #48
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06-26-2015, 08:17 PM #49
Spinal Exercises to help your herniated DISC
You need ELDOA's. ELDOA's are the only effective spinal decompression exercises in the industry. You can search for ELDOA online to find an instructor or go to ****finder.com For more info about ELDOA's go to ELDOAmethod.com or BeachFitness.com
Hope this helps!!
Bryce Turner
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