Many of you may have heard about how NSAIDs can be deterimental to bodybuilding in that they reduce inflammation (IL-6?) from training, and thus inhibit protein sythesis.
Were should we draw the line while using these drugs?
On non training days, it would seem like taking them would be ok (for headaches, fevers, etc) because no new inflammation would occour. But this could be wrong.
For those that are knowledgable about this, please help try to set a "guild line" on using them, and when they they be absolutly avoided.
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02-06-2007, 09:47 PM #1Re-Born
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NSAIDs: Setting the record straight
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02-06-2007, 09:49 PM #2Maltodextrin hater
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Your incoherence makes my head hurt.
I'm not really as big of an egotistical bastid as I may sometimes seem to be.
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02-06-2007, 09:51 PM #3Re-Born
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sorry about that, had alot of ideas and tried to get them all out at once lolOriginally Posted by xenowang
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02-06-2007, 10:03 PM #4Registered User
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I don't ever take pain killers - I see no point?
As a wise man once said
"Pain is weakness leaving the body".
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02-06-2007, 10:06 PM #5Re-Born
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i agree, however from time to time i get terrible migrains, and unless its at night, i dont feel like laying in bed all day...training with a migrain for me is impossibleOriginally Posted by solarize
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02-06-2007, 10:09 PM #6Registered User
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Migraines suck, I'm sure. I don't get headaches.
Perhaps you can get something else from the Dr - there's a lot stronger mediction that NSAID's afaik for things like migraines.
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02-06-2007, 10:12 PM #7Re-Born
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been there done that, dosent matterOriginally Posted by solarize
however the point im trying to get at is if NSAIDs are really as bad as they say they are. i try to avoid them like the plague...unless i get a killer migrainChew Crew
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02-06-2007, 10:22 PM #8Cheatin is for nancy boys
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Well without NSAIDS I wouldn't be able to get through a day without having extreme pain.
I have had a herniated disc in between my 4-5 L vertebrae for the past 6 months. Only way I can get through PT and able to lift weights is taking 500mg of a NSAID twice a day. Though more and more surgery is looking like a possibility.
There is a difference between permanent pain and temporary pain. For temporary pain I'd prefer just to not take anything, but for conditions like mine you are almost forced to give in.
As for me, I haven't noticed much difference with my strength/size while taking NSAIDS for the past 6 months. Then again I'm not going professional or anything close."...The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." - Teddy Roosevelt
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02-06-2007, 10:27 PM #9Registered User
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Have you tried ******** or other narcotics - say one day on nsaids, one on those etc?
Sucks to hear about your injury. I had a similar, whilst not as severe back injury, (compressed L4/l5) which continues with me to this day. Pain is constant but low. Sucks to hear you have extreme pain
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02-06-2007, 10:28 PM #10Registered User
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From the articles I read, I only understood NSAIDS to be of a major concern if taken during/after training...
anabolics though would probably fix that situation, I'm not sure if thats a factor in your case?
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02-06-2007, 10:49 PM #11Cheatin is for nancy boys
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't ******** just trick your body into thinking your not in pain? For instance, it will just dull my sense of pain but it's still there regardless. I use NSAID's because they actually loosen up my back by decreasing the inflammation caused by the disc. I actually should be getting off them soon because I am a bit concerned about stomach ulcers and bleeding. Next step is steroidal epidurals, we'll see how that goes then onto surgery as a last resort.Originally Posted by solarize
BTW to keep this thread on topic here is a link disputing the study done about protein synthesis and NSAIDS. Pretty good read, from what I gather Jay McCombs (author) is a pretty reputable guy as well as the magazine this was published in, Mind and Muscle.
http://www.mindandmuscle.net/mindand...4&artID=999409Last edited by GTJacket; 02-06-2007 at 10:52 PM.
"...The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood, who strives valiantly, who errs and comes short again and again, who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions, and spends himself in a worthy cause, who at best knows achievement and who at the worst if he fails at least fails while daring greatly so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory nor defeat." - Teddy Roosevelt
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02-06-2007, 10:53 PM #12meathead
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I used to take lots of NSAIDs as a kid for my migraines. The harsher prescription drugs didn't do much and had really adverse affects.
I try to completely abstain from NSAIDs. If I get a migraine and nothing else works, I'll turn to them and hopefully it will provide relief. Otherwise I avoid them at all costs. I can't risk it.
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02-07-2007, 08:34 AM #13Re-Born
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no im natty, just wondering how NSAIDs effect bodybuildingOriginally Posted by solarize
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02-07-2007, 08:46 AM #14Sal Lee
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Who ever coined that phrase should be beaten to a pulp.Originally Posted by solarize
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02-08-2007, 01:21 PM #15Re-Born
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i dont get headaches eitherOriginally Posted by solarize
and i dont take pain killers at all , i knda wonder if this would happen to more people
from what i expericne no pain killers = no headachesmy blogs
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no i stopped taking pain killers for a while, then my headaches started coming back...taking pain killers and the prevalince of headaches are in no way related IMOOriginally Posted by adoniscomplex
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