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    Bikini is ruining the IFBB

    Hey everyone. I enjoy women's bodybuilding when it comes to figure, fitness, women's physique and women's bb.

    The only class I do not find much enjoyment in is bikini. I know the claws are coming out and there will be those ready to lash out but IMO bikini should take a backseat. This is bodybuilding, not Hooters.

    Bikini might seem like hard work however bikini competitors barely have any muscles. The amount of muscle they have looks so close to an average girl you would find at a beach or on a university cheerleading team. There is a very small difference which is bikini competitors are just leaner but they do not need to be shredded and striated.
    Bikini girls still hold a ton of fat on their legs and butt and women store fat differently than men. Women can still be obese in bodybuilding competition standards but still have a visible 6 pack abs.

    I feel bikini divison should get either equal amount of the prize money to the division that makes less than the other divisions but bikini should never get more than any other division because the only valid argument they can make for their division is that their division brings a lot of money in from their list of competitors and they attract tons of audience members to attend shows so ticket sales get boosted. However the work they talk about is nothing compared to figure and any of the bigger divisions.

    Mainstream should not decide what division gets the most money in prize. Just because something is mainstream does not mean it took work. Look at men's bb, it is not mainstream yet the 1st place get like $400K and bikini gets more than men's physique. When girls get bigger like with figure and etc. it requires heavier weights at a certain point to get to a certain size, and as the weights increases the risk of injury greatly increases, plus throw some competitors using steroids which increases risks, so does that not warrant enough reasons to why every other class should get way more respect than bikini? IMO if something takes longer and has more risks involved it should be respected and valued at a higher level.

    Bikini competitors also cause too much delays for the other divisions because there is too many of them and their judging criteria is a joke.
    The IFBB should do the biggest women's division first which would be women's physique, then figure, then fitness and bikini as last.
    Maintaining a pump and carbing up to look big on stage is hard to do with delays.
    It is also a joke when bikini competitors carb up backstage. They still look the same as when they have not eaten any carbs, toothpick arms and legs with a high level of bodyfat.

    Also bikini competitors love talking about how they had to do tons of HIIT in the gym to get lean.
    First of all the level of bodyfat levels in a bikini division can easily be acquired when doing HIIT and maybe even figure. But when we are talking women's physique, doing tons of HIIT will not work and if anything HIIT will make it harder to avoid losing muscle. If a person is able to do HIIT on a leg day especially, that means either they never put all effort into their weight training before doing HIIT or if they are doing HIIT before weight training, there is no way they would be able to use max effort in their weight training. The nervous system would be fried.

    Bikini is like semi-fitness/semi-porn of Victoria Secret.


    here is a video of Olympia men's physique competitor - Andre Ferguson complaining about the Olympia prize money. Watch it all if you can.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0jXToKvCp8
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    Originally Posted by TissuesShredded View Post
    Hey everyone. I enjoy women's bodybuilding when it comes to figure, fitness, women's physique and women's bb.

    The only class I do not find much enjoyment in is bikini. I know the claws are coming out and there will be those ready to lash out but IMO bikini should take a backseat. This is bodybuilding, not Hooters.

    Bikini might seem like hard work however bikini competitors barely have any muscles. The amount of muscle they have looks so close to an average girl you would find at a beach or on a university cheerleading team. There is a very small difference which is bikini competitors are just leaner but they do not need to be shredded and striated.
    Bikini girls still hold a ton of fat on their legs and butt and women store fat differently than men. Women can still be obese in bodybuilding competition standards but still have a visible 6 pack abs.

    I feel bikini divison should get either equal amount of the prize money to the division that makes less than the other divisions but bikini should never get more than any other division because the only valid argument they can make for their division is that their division brings a lot of money in from their list of competitors and they attract tons of audience members to attend shows so ticket sales get boosted. However the work they talk about is nothing compared to figure and any of the bigger divisions.

    Mainstream should not decide what division gets the most money in prize. Just because something is mainstream does not mean it took work. Look at men's bb, it is not mainstream yet the 1st place get like $400K and bikini gets more than men's physique. When girls get bigger like with figure and etc. it requires heavier weights at a certain point to get to a certain size, and as the weights increases the risk of injury greatly increases, plus throw some competitors using steroids which increases risks, so does that not warrant enough reasons to why every other class should get way more respect than bikini? IMO if something takes longer and has more risks involved it should be respected and valued at a higher level.

    Bikini competitors also cause too much delays for the other divisions because there is too many of them and their judging criteria is a joke.
    The IFBB should do the biggest women's division first which would be women's physique, then figure, then fitness and bikini as last.
    Maintaining a pump and carbing up to look big on stage is hard to do with delays.
    It is also a joke when bikini competitors carb up backstage. They still look the same as when they have not eaten any carbs, toothpick arms and legs with a high level of bodyfat.

    Also bikini competitors love talking about how they had to do tons of HIIT in the gym to get lean.
    First of all the level of bodyfat levels in a bikini division can easily be acquired when doing HIIT and maybe even figure. But when we are talking women's physique, doing tons of HIIT will not work and if anything HIIT will make it harder to avoid losing muscle. If a person is able to do HIIT on a leg day especially, that means either they never put all effort into their weight training before doing HIIT or if they are doing HIIT before weight training, there is no way they would be able to use max effort in their weight training. The nervous system would be fried.

    Bikini is like semi-fitness/semi-porn of Victoria Secret.


    here is a video of Olympia men's physique competitor - Andre Ferguson complaining about the Olympia prize money. Watch it all if you can.
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0jXToKvCp8
    What do you want women to cover up with? They can't go wearing T shirts etc can they? You got men doing shows in just their underwear, and hear you are moaning because a women wears a bikini LOL.
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    Originally Posted by TissuesShredded View Post
    Bikini might seem like hard work however bikini competitors barely have any muscles.
    I can't speak for the bikini standard internationally at the IFBB, but I did go (with my wife) to an IFBB competition earlier this year and some of the women in the bikini category looked like they would stand out on a beach, but with no appreciable muscle at all. If I had to guess, it'd be booty focused workouts, perhaps some light abdominal work. But even then, as my wife said, 'they look normal'.

    Again, we are in another part of the world, so perhaps the bikini standard at a NYC IFBB competition would be much higher, but what we saw didn't look demanding from a bodybuilding perspective at all.
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    Bodybuilding show are, as the name says, shows. If what they show sells tickets, good, if it doesn't, bad. While I agree with everything you say about bikini being a T&A show not bodybuilding, the classes are huge, and these zillions of competitors bring all their families and friends to the shows which means lots of tickets are sold. And money at the end of the day, is what makes the world go 'round. You don't want to compete in Bikini, don't compete. You don't want to watch Bikini, don't go watch it. You don't want to follow bikini competitors on social media, don't follow them. I don't get why you even need to make a rant about it.
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    Originally Posted by needgains1024 View Post
    What do you want women to cover up with? They can't go wearing T shirts etc can they? You got men doing shows in just their underwear, and hear you are moaning because a women wears a bikini LOL.
    I'd be moaning too if I was watching the bikini show live. I'd be like Arnold and cumming at the gym, cumming at home, cumming backstage while I was pumping up, cumming on stage, I'd be cumming everywhere! Okay Pumping Iron quote aside, they get paid more because they reel in more tickets sold.

    Sad but true, but just like runway models I'm sure they probably have a bevy of drugs and eating disorders that come along with maintaining an unrealistic physique on top of the sexual favors that every pro bodybuilder and physique competitor has had to complete. It seems even in bikini the women have been getting leaner and more muscular... or just leaner at the pro level. I feel that the prize money should be more evenly distributed between the divisions; srsly Mens Open and Women Bikini get all, then all the rest of the divisions pick up the scraps it seems.
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    Did a bikini competitor turn you down op
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    Originally Posted by sy2502 View Post
    Bodybuilding show are, as the name says, shows. If what they show sells tickets, good, if it doesn't, bad. While I agree with everything you say about bikini being a T&A show not bodybuilding, the classes are huge, and these zillions of competitors bring all their families and friends to the shows which means lots of tickets are sold. And money at the end of the day, is what makes the world go 'round. You don't want to compete in Bikini, don't compete. You don't want to watch Bikini, don't go watch it. You don't want to follow bikini competitors on social media, don't follow them. I don't get why you even need to make a rant about it.
    About the tickets: absolutely, and that's what my wife and I noticed at the IFBB competition we went to. By the time bikini was finished half the people had left, because it was mostly women with entire families there as support, and almost all of them were not allowed inside the 'reserved' part near the front which perhaps is for immediate family only.

    Having said this, I don't want to get into the 'bikini vs bodybuilding' thing - there are professional bodybuilders out there that have already treated this subject far better than I'll ever be able to - I like Nick's Strength and Power's summary of this here, and what Dexter Jackson had to say (strong language):

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    I don't even understand how bikini is judged. It seems so subjective.
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    actually if it werent for all the other divisions in at the show,the Olympia would probably be nothing. More people connect with the other divisions over the heavyweights.
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    If anything, bikini has saved it. And bodybuilding in general to be honest. Take away bikini and the venues hosting bodybuilding competitions would be pretty much dead.

    Bikini (and even men's physique to a lesser degree) attracts more people of closer to average ability and physique into the sport. This is what drives these competitions to continue altogether. If you only had elite or true national level competitors at local competitions the spectacle would have died long ago. It's the same with powerlifting and novice strongman competitions. If you leave only the freakishly strong guys, and remove everyone of lesser ability, they too would die. It somewhat cheapens the uniqueness of what you do but it is necessary for long term survival. Besides, the lower level competitors always get exposed and washed out at the national level. The higher up the rungs you go, the more natural the weeding out process is.
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    Originally Posted by FLChamp View Post
    If anything, bikini has saved it. And bodybuilding in general to be honest. Take away bikini and the venues hosting bodybuilding competitions would be pretty much dead.
    This belief has already been debunked in this thread, in particular in the YouTube video I linked in post #8.
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    Bikini is hardly ruining IFBB. Bikini existed in other orgs for decades before NPC decided to add it. If NPC was doing "just fine", then why did they need to add bikini, physique, classic men's, men's physique and then kill off the female BBers???

    NPC evolved, as any org will over time. Im sure the tickets being sold are a part of it, but the fitness industry is evolving and the orgs need to as well.

    Its also interesting to note that overseas, they have many more divisions that NPC in America doesn't have.
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