post-workout whey with water or milk?

[alpha]

Should I have my whey with water or milk right after my workout? I've read(on bb.com) that by having whey with milk it slows down the absorbtion\digestion speed of whey. So would that mean that milk isnt a good idea(cuz post-workout ur body needs protein fast)? On the other hand lots of ppl. seem to have their whey with milk (including Big Cat, i think).
Confused I am.

[nbourbaki]

Originally posted by alpha
Should I have my whey with water or milk right after my workout? I've read(on bb.com) that by having whey with milk it slows down the absorbtion\digestion speed of whey. So would that mean that milk isnt a good idea(cuz post-workout ur body needs protein fast)? On the other hand lots of ppl. seem to have their whey with milk (including Big Cat, i think).
Confused I am.

Post workout, no. I don't understand the confusion. You want to feed your muscles post workout as soon as possible with a protein source (and simple carb) that get to the muscle quickly. Milk would slow that down.

Other times, when you want a slow release of protein over a period of time, milk is fine.

[Dave2003]

agree

here's my opinion

wake up: whey with fruit juice, B6 10mg

post workhout:
time 0: BCAA, glutamine, B6, carbo drink or apple juice drink
time 20': whey drink, fruit juice or water
time 60': a complete meal,multivit

bedtime: casein or multi protein drink with milk

[derekmac]

Originally posted by Dave2003
agree

here's my opinion

wake up: whey with fruit juice, B6 10mg

post workhout:
time 0: BCAA, glutamine, B6, carbo drink or apple juice drink
time 20': whey drink, fruit juice or water
time 60': a complete meal,multivit

bedtime: casein or multi protein drink with milk

Why are you drinking whey 1st thing in the morning? It's better utilized post-workout, IMO. Maybe try oatmeal with some fruit or nuts.

[NPursuit]

Originally posted by derekmac
Why are you drinking whey 1st thing in the morning? It's better utilized post-workout, IMO. Maybe try oatmeal with some fruit or nuts.

Whey isn't a bad idea first thing in the morning to get yourself out of a catabolic state. It should be followed up with a whole food meal an hour or so later though.

[Dave2003]

indeed, a breakfast should follow a bit later on, after having done some abs, taking a shower, dressed up.

taking fast absorbed protein or amino acids upon waking up bring you back from a 7-9hours catabolic state (though diminished by the bedtime casein or multiprotein shake).

[derekmac]

Originally posted by NPursuit
Whey isn't a bad idea first thing in the morning to get yourself out of a catabolic state. It should be followed up with a whole food meal an hour or so later though.

I would agree that it is best to get out of a catabolic state ASAP, but if you can do it with real food then I think it would be better. Not that it's bad, but there are better ways of doing it, IMO.

[wasntme]

Originally posted by derekmac
Why are you drinking whey 1st thing in the morning? It's better utilized post-workout, IMO. Maybe try oatmeal with some fruit or nuts.

dude thats one of the dumbest comments ive heard from you on this board. whey as we all know is a very fast acting, digesting protein. so there are 2 primary times to take whey protein, and that is to BREAK-FAST and POST-WORKOUT. at all other times i try to get real food. btw of course have your oats and fruits at breakfast time also and eggs if you want. but whey for breakfast is a great time.

[derekmac]

Originally posted by wasntme
dude thats one of the dumbest comments ive heard from you on this board. whey as we all know is a very fast acting, digesting protein. so there are 2 primary times to take whey protein, and that is to BREAK-FAST and POST-WORKOUT. at all other times i try to get real food. btw of course have your oats and fruits at breakfast time also and eggs if you want. but whey for breakfast is a great time.

My bad. I see now that he is recommending fruit juice and whey. Sorry about that. I need to learn to read

[wasntme]

Originally posted by derekmac
My bad. I see now that he is recommending fruit juice and whey. Sorry about that. I need to learn to read

its all good, sorry to come off a like an as$

[derekmac]

Originally posted by wasntme
its all good, sorry to come off a like an as$

No prob, bro. You were right, I was wrong. Friends?

[wasntme]

Originally posted by derekmac
No prob, bro. You were right, I was wrong. Friends?

i love you maaaaaan

[derekmac]

Originally posted by wasntme
i love you maaaaaan

Love ya too, mayne

[alpha]

now that we've finished with this homosexual fest I gather that post-workout whey is best with water. can i mix my dextrose in with my whey? how much dex. should i have?(20-30 gms?)

[wasntme]

Originally posted by alpha
now that we've finished with this homosexual fest I gather that post-workout whey is best with water. can i mix my dextrose in with my whey? how much dex. should i have?(20-30 gms?)

damn you just dont know shi t do you? read the stickies man.

[alpha]

I've skimmed through the stickies but i dont think they said anything about the quantity of dextrose required. anyway i'll check again.
What i usually do is mix some dex. in water and whey in water seperately and drink the dex. 1st and then drink the whey.

[Dave2003]

now, what I find more effective is as I said, immediately when the workout is finished, take BCAA, vitamin B6, glutamine, with a carbo pump drink, say one scoop with water: that's the fastest you can feed the muscles cells.

20 or 30minutes after, have one scoop of whey powder with apple juice or water

then 30'minutes later, your meal

and 2hours laters , another whey or pro complex shake.

those 3hours post workout supplements and food are essential to maximize the effect of the workout.

that's why training very late in the day isn't so good , on top of hormonal timing ( testosterone is higher in the morning)

[alpha]

Originally posted by Dave2003


now, what I find more effective is as I said, immediately when the workout is finished, take BCAA, vitamin B6, glutamine, with a carbo pump drink, say one scoop with water: that's the fastest you can feed the muscles cells.

20 or 30minutes after, have one scoop of whey powder with apple juice or water

then 30'minutes later, your meal

and 2hours laters , another whey or pro complex shake.

those 3hours post workout supplements and food are essential to maximize the effect of the workout.

that's why training very late in the day isn't so good , on top of hormonal timing ( testosterone is higher in the morning)

I thought whey had BCAAs. Im not buying anything else, whey and dextrose thats it.(and multi-vits + calcium)
I normally train in the evening but what u've said has got me thinking that maybe i should train in the morning. Where did u here this stuff about test. levels being higher in the morning? any articles on the web, could u post the sites?