Just wanted to hear a few opinions on BCAA's
As the title say do you take them? if so when do you take them and what are your goals? (Bulking, Cutting ect.)
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Thread: Do YOU take BCAA's?
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07-10-2011, 04:22 AM #1
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07-10-2011, 04:25 AM #2
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I used to because I believed they were important (and I'm bulking by the way). However, I found out that if you eat a diet rich in whole, protein sources, you will end up obtaining a large amount of amino acids from your diet anyway, making supplementation of BCAA's pretty useless and, quite frankly, a waste of money.
Here's a quote from Lyle McDonald:
The BCAA can not be made within the body and must be obtained by the diet. In that context, I’d note that all high quality proteins actually contain quite a bit of BCAA. Proteins such as meat typically contain about 15% BCAA by weight (e.g. 100 grams of protein will provide about 15 grams of BCAA) while dairy proteins such as whey and casein contain more. Some forms of whey contain as much as 25% BCAA by weight (e.g. 100 grams of whey protein will provide 25 grams of BCAA), casein comes in at about 20%.
Quoting from The Protein Book about this:
A typical diet containing high quality protein will provide 15-20 grams of BCAAs for every
100 grams of protein ingested (25); diets containing a significant amount of whey protein
will contain slightly more than this. A 100 kg athlete consuming 3.0 g/kg protein, or 300
grams of protein per day, would be expected to be consuming 45-60 grams of BCAAs per
day; again, this value would be slightly higher if a large amount of whey protein was being
consumed.
This is an important point because the grand majority of studies which have shown benefits from BCAA supplementation have done so without first providing adequate protein in the first place. And as is always the case with such things; nutrients do very different things when they are shoring up a deficiency or inadequacy than when they are not.
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07-10-2011, 04:34 AM #3
I do not take dedicated capsules for my AAs, I am taking Purple Wraath, and have Purple PsyKO as well which more than cover that aspect. Through other forms of supplementations there isn't really a need to dedicate a whole supplement purely to supplement AAs IMO.
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07-10-2011, 04:35 AM #4
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07-10-2011, 04:40 AM #9
Pure and PowerCage have been on point with answers to their supplementation, I can say they are the reason I have 5 different CL products right now.
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07-10-2011, 04:44 AM #10
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BCAA's do actually have some calories, but the FDA does not require them to put this in their nutritional facts. Xtend used to have nutritional labels that said 10 calories, but after learning the fact that the FDA did not make this a requirement, they took their nutritional labels off.
In truth, if you were to supplement with BCAA's, since they are themselves protein, 1 gram of BCAA is essentially 4 calories.
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07-10-2011, 05:36 AM #11
I take BCAA's and EAA's as a staple year round. Ill have 10-15 grams pre-training as I hate drinking fluids while I train. Also will have it between meals to help control appetite.
Taking the amino's pre-training also allows me to control my appetite during training. Not sure if this is placebo but it works for me and have no desire of changing that.
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07-10-2011, 06:00 AM #12
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I use BCAA's when I know that I will not be able to consume enough protein for a period of time (at work, during long training sessions, etc.).
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07-10-2011, 07:10 AM #17
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BCAA's definitely have their place. I use them usually when dieting or between meals if I can't eat for a little while. They really are beneficial, and I use them during my workout too to help spare glycogen and help put my body in a positive state of protein synthesis (protein synthesis vs. protein breakdown). They also are absorbed more readily than protein and get into the bloodstream quicker. I'd say they are definitely worth investing in.
just my 2 cents
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I take them intra-w/o usually. Mix with carbs when bulking, when cutting jus take the BCAA's. I just got the Recoverpro lemonade and am finding myslef drinking them alot more since the taste is amazing. Can't comment on results per se, but I am sure it is not hindering anything. I see it give a slight increase in recovery and maybe a little endurance.
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I think you are making a GREAT decision to start taking BCAA's!!! The key times would be whenever you need something immediately for Muscle Sparing or Building Purposes; So, first thing in the AM, between meals, Pre-Training/Cardio, During/Intra-Training/Cardio, and Post-Training/Cardio! Best Wishes!
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07-10-2011, 01:35 PM #29
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^^^ Perfect time to take BCAA's. as you stated earlier it is the most optimal time due to digestion and keeping the body anabolic while muscle is being broken down during your workouts.
Layne Norton a Scivation athlete also did his Muscle Protein Synthesis study that shows taking Aminos between meals (spaced 4-6 hours apart) helps protein levels reach their refractory stages before being spiked again (instead of eating every 2-3 hours) . I highly suggest you google/read his Powerpoint/PDF for more information about that dosage, but stick to your recommended dosage first and foremost on Xtend.
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07-10-2011, 06:03 PM #30
I think that is why Lyle stresses "might". Subjective feedback suggest glutamine can aid in immune system function........which is about as subjective as BCAA's feedback. As noted, studies done on BCAA's where done on people who were deficient. Your typical lifter is probably eating at least 200 gr of protein per day (or 30-50 gr BCAA as Lyle points out). The question remains, is your body utlizing additional BCAA beyond a set point? My suspicision tells me no....you're probably just pizzing it away.
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