Why the traditional Rippetoe/SS program sucks balls.

[AsianAesthetics]

i cant believe people even responded to me. 30 mins to do 15 lifts? that weights too heavy if it takes that long

yeah people just should go tone.

[all pro]

Lel. It is a little different when you are trying to bench your 5 rep max for 3 sets. For that, you will either have to rest a long time, or you will miss reps.

Anymore than 2 minutes and you're dogging it! Hell I can bang out 3 sets of 3 reps at 90% with 2 minutes in between them.

[Ka0s]

You probably wont last long enough on an aggressive, linear progression program like SS to get there faster. Bill Starr himself, Mark Rippetoe's mentor tells you in his classic book, Only the Strongest Shall Survive, that the program that got you to a 250 bench press probably won't be the program that gets you to 300. Your body is changing at every step that's why the training parameters have to change to keep moving forward.

I agree with the bold of course, but I can think of at least 2 skinny 14-15 year olds who are squatting 300+ for reps just from SS (WannaBeTank and iLiftNoodBrah)

I don't think that a 300 squat is something incredibly difficult to achieve for most people...

[Ka0s]

Anymore than 2 minutes and you're dogging it! Hell I can bang out 3 sets of 3 reps at 90% with 2 minutes in between them.

I am a fat gym rat with powerlifter tendencies. I benched 3 sets of 15 with a light weight a few days ago and I almost died from cardiac arrest.

[AsianAesthetics]

I am a fat gym rat with powerlifter tendencies. I benched 3 sets of 15 with a light weight a few days ago and I almost died from cardiac arrest.

go on a ****ing cut

[Ka0s]

go on a ****ing cut

Make me.

I actually did lose about 10 lbs in the last 3-4 weeks, I was on vacation and did not eat or lift at all. Doesn't change the fact that my conditioning/endurance is horrible, I have spent about 95% of my training life doing 1-5 reps.

[AsianAesthetics]

Make me.

I actually did lose about 10 lbs in the last 3-4 weeks, I was on vacation and did not eat or lift at all. Doesn't change the fact that my conditioning/endurance is horrible, I have spent about 95% of my training life doing 1-5 reps.

there are some people who are fat as **** but with amazing cardio.

inb4 this is bb.com not health.com

[all pro]

I agree with the bold of course, but I can think of at least 2 skinny 14-15 year olds who are squatting 300+ for reps just from SS (WannaBeTank and iLiftNoodBrah)

I don't think that a 300 squat is something incredibly difficult to achieve for most people...

It can be done. Starr's point was that there is no magic program. The program doesn't just stop working and turn to crap. Something changed. It was your body.

[doingwork30]

On ss, rest as long as wanted. The whole point is to keep getting all the reps so the weight can be increased. It's not a bodybuilding program, if an extra 2 minutes of rest will help get that last rep, it should be taken. Of course, squatting 135 for 5 one wouldnt need 10 min rests.

And about the example of program from 250 bench to 300, its very feasible to squat 300 on ss because the squat is the main focus. It will take much more complicated programming to bench 300 than to squat it. Bench progresses much slower.

[DanielBeauchamp]

If you can bench your 5-rep max for 3 sets, it's not your 5-rep max.

A "max" should feel so incredibly hard that it's nearly impossible to complete the rep/set, and you can barely walk afterward, much less repeat the effort...

[AceoSpade]

What kind of rows is he talking about? The dumbbell row? Or seated row? Sorry I am very new to this

[Mitchy321]

What kind of rows is he talking about? The dumbbell row? Or seated row? Sorry I am very new to this

Barbell bent over row. Google it

[AceoSpade]

Barbell bent over row. Google it

Oooh, thanks bro. I didn't know those were called rows as well, work outs need more original names.

[cschnake]

It would br quite ironic if this was stickied.

[relentlessmule]

Is a program like this decent enough to do 3x a week whilst on a cut? Or would it lead to a lot of stalling with the weight increases.

[YoungMass]

How much should I go up in weight each day for each exercise

[YoungMass]

Anyone?

[danmanxx]

.1 repeating pounds.

[.Excalibur]

.1 repeating pounds.

I saw a few of those plates at a store once. They had some kind of super-natural feel to them.

[YoungMass]

.1 repeating pounds.

Can someone please answer for real I need to know. Unless srs then pls explain

[Th3KaNgSt3R]

JW, isn't overhand chin up a pull up?

[AnthonyBish]

JW, isn't overhand chin up a pull up?

I was thinking the same thing. Also when you do front squats, should you increase the weight for back squats by 10 the next workout?

[GTASouthPark]

I was thinking the same thing. Also when you do front squats, should you increase the weight for back squats by 10 the next workout?

Wtf was up with the flame war on this thread?
Caused babylover to miss important comments and people could get more info about this routine, but people had to get off topic.
:facepalm:

[TuffKiddo]

What does a front squat train?

[Ka0s]

What does a front squat train?

It simulates getting RNC'ed

[provesomething]

there are some people who are fat as **** but with amazing cardio.

inb4 this is bb.com not health.com

true. fat + fit = fet

[nainchik]

does the strict row mean pendlay row?

decided to start your program after the gym opens from a rebuild -)

[beardymcbeard]

Pity I missed this lift. Mirin red??

What a sexy man

Almost stopped reading here because this train of logic is stupid as fuk.



But read the post anyway, good stuff.

Not necessarily stupid. It's not like Rippetoe has coached every single top powerlifter, he is not a top powerlifter and top powerlifters do not necessarily follow his programme. Therefore his results are not as good as some, and there are other and potentially better ways to achieve success in a results based sport.

Fuzzy's post needs to be taken in context!! Obviously, you can get strong on this programme. Obviously, the programme has holes and flaws.

You bet your ****ing ass and your dog I won't.

Who the hell takes advice from an obese man on how to lose weight? It's ****ing absurd.

This. Especially if they just tell you to go on some weightloss programme or take certain pills. Doctors who smoke piss me off, personal trainers who are fat (unless like, heavy weight powerlifters or w/e) piss me off, teachers who aren't smart/willing to learn/aren't good role models piss me off. Not that this is really that relevant to the OP lol.

[TuffKiddo]

Has anyone done this?

[TuffKiddo]

Bump.