Mark Rippetoe Squat Philosophy

[J.L.C.]

same reason Oly coaches comment on the training of bodybuilders and powerlifters. Human nature

Which Oly coaches are those?

[John Prophet]

Or maybe because they use a high bar placement they don't have to reach back around to grab the bar....

With a high bar placement the bar is well supported by the torso. So well supported that some lifters can even remove the hands.

yeah, I just posted the no hand squat video yesterday, lol.

There are also vids where they have a fingertip grip like a tight powerlifter. Also, think about when they have shoulder injuries or surgery. Safety squat bar would come in handy then

[John Prophet]

Which Oly coaches are those?

Its discussed in the literature. U gotta remember the cold war, lol. The training of the "superior" soviet man was contrasted with the vain physique stars of the west. The soviets studied Strength and Health magazine and some jabs were taken back and forth.

The training of bodybuilders is discussed in the Russian manuals where it is explained that training for the harmonious development of all muscle groups is not the same as training for high sporting results in weightifting

[J.L.C.]

Its discussed in the literature. U gotta remember the cold war, lol. The training of the "superior" soviet man was contrasted with the vain physique stars of the west. The soviets studied Strength and Health magazine and some jabs were taken back and forth.

The training of bodybuilders is discussed in the Russian manuals where it is explained that training for the harmonious development of all muscle groups is not the same as training for high sporting results in weightifting

I was thinking of the current recommendations by US strength (Rippetoe, Poliquin) and PL (Simmons) gurus.

Maybe the Russian Oly coaches were making recommendations 30 years ago, but currently there are a lot more non-weightlifers and non-weightlifting coaches making broad recommendations for weightlifters than there are weightlifters making recommendations for (or caring about) other sports.

At least from what I see on the intarwebz

[raffiki]

In the Russian manuals...

I agree with you for the most part. Of course variety is not the topic. Rip is basically making an all or nothing statement about the PL squat. If a person wants to add it for a bit of variety on occasion, then that is totally up them. If a person thinks that using Pl squat to the exclusion of the olympic squat is superior, then they are stupid. Certainly people go too far in specificity and motor patterns. However in the big picture you need to be developing the proper muscles in the proper manner.

While I cited Charniga and think he has good articles, I do have some disagreements. For instance I think it is absurd that anyone would try to avoid how obvious it is that the high bar back squat is the best predictor of what a lifter can (or could) do.

[John Prophet]

I was thinking of the current recommendations by US strength (Rippetoe, Poliquin) and PL (Simmons) gurus.

Maybe the Russian Oly coaches were making recommendations 30 years ago, but currently there are a lot more non-weightlifers and non-weightlifting coaches making broad recommendations for weightlifters than there are weightlifters making recommendations for (or caring about) other sports.

At least from what I see on the intarwebz

you gotta realize that people have vested interests, lol. Some people make a living training in this style or that. Everyone has their turf and reputation to defend.

Each strength discipline considers itself the best and calls it top guy "The strongest man in the world"

But yeah, I agree in a sense it is silly for U.S. coaches to make too much noise about how theyd train oly athletes etc. I am sure that there would be decent $$$ available to a U.S. coach who could bring back a weightlifting olympic or world chmpshp medal


Also, most of us dont read Russian or German etc so we have no clue what the Oly coaches may or may not currently say. The U.S. guys u listed make good $$$ so of course they are going to be vocal.

There was a lot of interplay back in the day with Bob Hoffman. Im surprised the KGB didnt put out a hit on him, hehe.

Currently, any casual listen to ironmind tapes or oly broadcasts can find Randall Strossen downtalking powerlifters, making fun of the equipment or whatever

[John Prophet]

There could (should) be a lot more interplay and exchange nowadays between the various strength sports. The world is a lot smaller now and info flows instantaneously

With the russians and others getting into powerlifting we can see what those eastern methods look like applied to powerlifting. We already have the sheiko stuff as a small taste of the russian methods

then u have WSM competitions with athletes from various countries interacting

Now if Russia or China would take up American football we'd have some REAL action, lol