Cable Crossover

[Kekoo]

I was doing Cable Crossover as a chest exercise in my program for a long time . But last time while i was doing Cable Crossover two guys ( they call their self " experienced " ) started talking to me " are u crazy , that exercise is for people who have big chest " and also they said that i shoudn't do that exercise .
Is that true ? or they are just some *******s

[DJAuto]

I was doing Cable Crossover as a chest exercise in my program for a long time . But last time while i was doing Cable Crossover two guys ( they call their self " experienced " ) started talking to me " are u crazy , that exercise is for people who have big chest " and also they said that i shoudn't do that exercise .
Is that true ? or they are just some *******s

The movement is for individuals who want a big chest.

[Kekoo]

The movement is for individuals who want a big chest.

So is it ok for me to do that exercise , i am 6 months in the body building ( beginner )

[DJAuto]

So is it ok for me to do that exercise , i am 6 months in the body building ( beginner )

Absolutely.

Don't pay attention to those two individuals in the gym. Real experienced bodybuilders will never spout such "advice".

[Kekoo]

Thanks bro !

[sircharles032]

As long as it's not your main focus on chest day then disregard two guys at gym

[Daniel678]

Got to start some where

[ZoranM]

So is it ok for me to do that exercise , i am 6 months in the body building ( beginner )

No. It's a shi*ty choice when it comes to building mass for you. You're wasting your time and energy.

[Turboboy]

No. It's a shi*ty choice when it comes to building mass for you. You're wasting your time and energy.

^^^this. Use heavy DB or BB movements......thousands of people have used them to build mass. I think most people do the cable crossover so they can look at themselves in the mirror and do the Hulk pose....that's what I've seen anyway. lol

[RussAnderson]

Love them they really stretch the chest out nice after the main pressing movements.But not a mass builder more shaping the chest exercise but never the less great to finish of any chest routine .

[DJAuto]

^^^this. Use heavy DB or BB movements......thousands of people have used them to build mass. I think most people do the cable crossover so they can look at themselves in the mirror and do the Hulk pose....that's what I've seen anyway. lol

I think ZoranM was being sarcastic.

[Indestructible6]

One of my favorite excersises. Those guys at the gym make no sense. Thats like saying, "Lifting weights is for big people". Or, "Cardio is for marathon runners"

[Turboboy]

I think ZoranM was being sarcastic.

Then, apparently, I respectfully disagree with both of you. lol

[illriginalized]

lol <_<;

1. Get your list of exercises from this website

2. Lift intensely and ignore everyone else in the gym

3. ???

4. Profit!

[Indestructible6]

^^^this. Use heavy DB or BB movements......thousands of people have used them to build mass. I think most people do the cable crossover so they can look at themselves in the mirror and do the Hulk pose....that's what I've seen anyway. lol

Dude, thats totally why I do it. AND that is why it's my favorite excersise.

[illriginalized]

^^^this. Use heavy DB or BB movements......thousands of people have used them to build mass. I think most people do the cable crossover so they can look at themselves in the mirror and do the Hulk pose....that's what I've seen anyway. lol

I do cable cross overs but I also focus negatives with it.

[TigerStealth]

well you should be focusing on heavy compounds but if you want to finish with cables thats fine

[FueledByYelyah]

dont use it as a main exercise for your chest, but if you want to incorporate it in your routine, thats fine as well

[Turboboy]

I guess I'm in the minority here. It's cool. You guys do what you do and I'll continue doing what I do. I won't argue with anyone who's had success with it. Personally, I haven't.

[Kekoo]

At first thanks all of you for your time and your answers . I started the Kris Gethin cutting program yesterday and in the second week there is a cable crossover as chest exercise . So that's why i got a bit confused . I will follow his program properly for 12 week and see the results .
Thanks again !
Keko

[delusive]

I do the crossovers @ the very end of the workout, dont hate.

[ShootemTex]

I think it is hysterical when people warn against an exercise because it builds bulk. As if your gonna wake up the next morning with a 20 in. larger chest and say what the f*** I should have listened to those guys in the gym. Anyone who proposes that an exercise will get you big so fast that you will be unhappy with it is an idiot. It reminds me of the people who don't lift weights because they "don't wanna get too big", like that crap happens overnight. Don't listen to them, crossovers are a great exercise.

[ZoranM]

I think ZoranM was being sarcastic.

Then, apparently, I respectfully disagree with both of you. lol

Actually, it wasn't sarcasm. Maybe my comment was a bit to blunt, but it was based on the avi, age, stats, and OP saying he was a beginner; and a few more things.

OP mentioned "bodybuilding". I'm always very happy to discuss bodybuilding, always open minded and the last to discard anything definitely. The guy is lifting for 6 months. IMO, there's one reason for a person that young and new to do crossovers: great potential and ambitions; and guidance and plan from that early on. The second reason for a "relative newb" to focus on them is poorly responsive chest. Crossovers and similar exercises can do a good job "waking up" such pecs. But it can(and usually does) take more than 6 months to come up with such conclusion.

Here we have a beginner who had the need to ask this question. That says something. He is probably doing some split that compared to what he should be doing will not bring results as good. Now, there's that thing that beginners will grow doing pretty much anything. He may end up fooling himself that crossovers did wonders. Cable crossovers have NOWHERE near the mass building potential as presses, flies and dips. He should at least focus on the "best basic moves". Any of those and their variations, one on one, beat crossovers 90+ % of the time. There have been examples of doing them as the main thing with great results, but that's not something you see or hear about every day. It is an exercise that may change the appearance of your inner chest relatively fast if you focus on them, but i doubt he even knows why he does crossovers, and that can't compare with what a basic chest program can do for him now.

So, will there be harm for him doing them-probably not at all for him to worry about. Can he do better without them-absolutely.

EDIT: just saw that OP is "cutting"

[noflyingcars]

Cable crossovers have NOWHERE near the mass building potential as presses, flies and dips.

I agree fully with your post, but I thought that flies were inferior to bench for mass-building?
I thought that for building mass it was

bench > flies > cables crossover


(basically the more the weight, the merrier)

[ThickAsABrick]

Cable crossovers are a perfectly acceptable alternative to other fly variations. As noted, if you're doing them after your presses, you're fine.

Maybe something like this:
Flat press (bb or db) 4 sets
Incline press 3 sets
crossover or fly 2-3 sets (higher reps)

[Bostongeorge617]

So, will there be harm for him doing them-probably not at all for him to worry about. Can he do better without them-absolutely.

I actually see it as the opposite. I think not doing them will lead to good results as long as he presses, but I can only see the results being better if he were to include these. Many inexperienced guys, as you touched on, have difficulty actually hitting the pecs with pressing movements out of inability to properly contract them. So something like flys/crossovers can help to flesh out their routine.

[ZoranM]

I thought that for building mass it was

bench > flies > cables crossover

Roughly, yes.

I actually see it as the opposite. I think not doing them will lead to good results as long as he presses, but I can only see the results being better if he were to include these. Many inexperienced guys, as you touched on, have difficulty actually hitting the pecs with pressing movements out of inability to properly contract them. So something like flys/crossovers can help to flesh out their routine.

I guess i was vague when i said without them, i meant with something better instead. I still stand by my the initial opinion that he should do DB flies instead(that's if he has a chest day or similar). Crossovers are an alternative, yes, if we wanna look at these two that way, BUT, when it comes to mass building potential for beginners/relative beginners, no freaking way a cable crossover is at the same level as db fly.

[ThickAsABrick]

Crossovers are an alternative, yes, if we wanna look at these two that way, BUT, when it comes to mass building potential for beginners/relative beginners, no freaking way a cable crossover is at the same level as db fly.

I don't think it matters much. Pec deck, DB flyes, crossovers are all in the same boat as far as Im concerned. Any one is suitable after presses. I have not seen enough of a difference between various movements over the years to lead me to believe that any are inherently better than the others.

[Pump Freak 86]

I do the crossovers @ the very end of the workout, dont hate.

This, and only for a few weeks at a time. It's nice sometimes, but it's not the type of exercise that will do a lot for mass development. I tend to use it to focus on the crossover portion of the movement because it's not a part of the ROM that gets hit in other areas. It's not an "inner chest" thing, but it is nice for stimulation with a pump. It's not really a big deal. No reason to trash it.

[ZoranM]

Pec deck, DB flyes, crossovers are all in the same boat as far as Im concerned.

I don't believe you , because i've been seeing you post for 2 years now. You gotta have a preference on a given period, or day even? And why? (at least based on feeling)How do you choose what to do?

I do see and feel the difference. I often liked doing a DB fly based session and pressing with what's left in the tank, without even looking at such sessions as pre-exhaust, for me that does a lot of good. I have a preference for each of those non-presses, but i'd pull a JasonDB if i start typing about it

Oh, does it really seem irrelevant to all that we are talking about a trainee with 6 months experience on a cut?