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    Originally Posted by Donoreem View Post
    Rofl. What part of that is an excuse? I conceded that he doesn't want to fight Pacquiao. I just corrected you on why he doesn't want to fight him. It's business, not being "scared".
    definition of scared is

    scared
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    1.Fearful; frightened
    - she's scared stiff of her dad
    - I was scared I was going to kill myself
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    dosent mean hes scared of physical harm hes scared of being beat scared to lose his status as the p4p champ scared to lose his unbeaten streak. that is still fear just not the fear of coming to physical harm
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    LOLOLOLOL OVEREEM BEAT ROGERS AND DUFFEE THEREFOR HE IS THE BEST!!!




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    wtf is this turds?
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    Originally Posted by brickbullhouse View Post
    LOLOLOLOL OVEREEM BEAT ROGERS AND DUFFEE THEREFOR HE IS THE BEST!!!




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    wtf is this turds?
    cain beats a over the hill nog and lesner hes the badest man on the planet
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    Both look good, you have to wait for them to fight to see. None of this LHW pride BS for Overeem is valid right now, neither are the cans he fought because he almost killed a few of them, hasn't looked in trouble yet. And as for Cain he has ran through pretty much everybody and looks really well rounded(against tougher competition). The fact remains that this thread has been done multiple times and why it was started again is a mystery because a Cain vs Uber match-up isn't even on the radar yet.
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    Originally Posted by mmondo13 View Post
    Just stop with the lame excuses already.

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    if cain was really ready i think he would win, otherwise overreem
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    Originally Posted by mmondo13 View Post
    Just stop with the lame excuses already.
    Pac is the one not fighting. Pac's camp had specific demands that they asked of Mayweather including small ring size, glove weight, multimillion dollar penalty for coming in over weight. Mayweather agreed to all and offered pac's camp a contract to sign. Pac's camp rejected because it included Olympic style drug testing.

    End of story.
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    I would like to see how Alistair would handle Cain's punches in bunches.
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    Lol'd hard at someone posting a gif of him shrugging off a take down from Todd Duffee...

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    Originally Posted by Acal83 View Post
    Lol'd hard at someone posting a gif of him shrugging off a take down from Todd Duffee...

    Todd Duffee

    um because he gassed in the last min of 3 round fight where he was pummeling a guy for 2.5 rounds? He has looked impressive in the first few moments of every fight he has been in other then then overeem fight where he got treated like an amateur. Noone has done what overeem did to him. Duffee will win his next few fights by finish.
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    Hw-Alistair overeem, Brock lesnar, Sergei Kharitonov
    Lhw-jon jones, Gegard Mousasi, Lyoto machida
    Mw-Chael sonnen, Yushin Okami, Ronaldo souza
    ww-Jake shields, Ben Askren, Josh Koscheck
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    Originally Posted by someonefat View Post
    um because he gassed in the last min of 3 round fight where he was pummeling a guy for 2.5 rounds? He has looked impressive in the first few moments of every fight he has been in other then then overeem fight where he got treated like an amateur. Noone has done what overeem did to him. Duffee will win his next few fights by finish.
    The point is that Duffee's takedowns aren't something to be feared.
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    The voting polls are ridiculous.

    Its a fight, *******s. Not a Bodybuilding competition.

    Both these guys have yet to solidify first place in either of their divisons. Alistair has to win. SFWGP and Cain beat JDS or Carwin.
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    I think Cain would win. I think Overeem is very good but I have to see him actually beat someone good (over the hill or not) at HW before I jump on this huge bandwagon. An over-the-hill Nog is still better than anyone Overeem has actually beaten at HW (I do think Overeem would crush Nog now though... horrible matchup for him lol).
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    For the one's saying Overeem (the majority), what makes you think that because he packed on some muscle and moved up to HW he's essentially a better fighter? Granted he is on a 9 fight win streak, however if you're too lazy to look it up, here's the list:

    Todd Duffee
    Brett Rogers
    Kazuyuki Fujita
    James Thompson
    Tony Sylvester
    Gary Goodridge
    Mark Hunt
    Lee Tae-Hyun
    Paul Buentello
    Mirko Filipovic (ruled a no contest)

    Now really think about who makes up this list...


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    and how do you figure he'll run through someone like Cain Velasquez? To say he has a chance to win is one thing, to root for him to win is fine, but to say he'll destroy Cain is ridiculous.
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    The Reem wins because of raw awesomeness. I don't need to hear more about brown pride, I get it.
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    Originally Posted by elperfecto View Post
    For the one's saying Overeem (the majority), what makes you think that because he packed on some muscle and moved up to HW he's essentially a better fighter? Granted he is on a 9 fight win streak, however if you're too lazy to look it up, here's the list:

    Todd Duffee
    Brett Rogers
    Kazuyuki Fujita
    James Thompson
    Tony Sylvester
    Gary Goodridge
    Mark Hunt
    Lee Tae-Hyun
    Paul Buentello
    Mirko Filipovic (ruled a no contest)

    Now really think about who makes up this list...


    Reflect...


    and how do you figure he'll run through someone like Cain Velasquez? To say he has a chance to win is one thing, to root for him to win is fine, but to say he'll destroy Cain is ridiculous.
    He will destroy cain
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    Originally Posted by elperfecto View Post
    For the one's saying Overeem (the majority), what makes you think that because he packed on some muscle and moved up to HW he's essentially a better fighter? Granted he is on a 9 fight win streak, however if you're too lazy to look it up, here's the list:

    Todd Duffee
    Brett Rogers
    Kazuyuki Fujita
    James Thompson
    Tony Sylvester
    Gary Goodridge
    Mark Hunt
    Lee Tae-Hyun
    Paul Buentello
    Mirko Filipovic (ruled a no contest)

    Now really think about who makes up this list...


    Reflect...


    and how do you figure he'll run through someone like Cain Velasquez? To say he has a chance to win is one thing, to root for him to win is fine, but to say he'll destroy Cain is ridiculous.

    I only look at the wiki results of a fighter also when I make a judgement on them
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    Lhw-jon jones, Gegard Mousasi, Lyoto machida
    Mw-Chael sonnen, Yushin Okami, Ronaldo souza
    ww-Jake shields, Ben Askren, Josh Koscheck
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    Originally Posted by someonefat View Post
    I only look at the wiki results of a fighter also when I make a judgement on them
    Well, these particular "wiki results" happen to actually be the last 10 fights of his career.
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    Originally Posted by HardGainer82 View Post
    The point is that Duffee's takedowns aren't something to be feared.
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    Originally Posted by elperfecto View Post
    For the one's saying Overeem (the majority), what makes you think that because he packed on some muscle and moved up to HW he's essentially a better fighter? Granted he is on a 9 fight win streak, however if you're too lazy to look it up, here's the list:

    Todd Duffee
    Brett Rogers
    Kazuyuki Fujita
    James Thompson
    Tony Sylvester
    Gary Goodridge
    Mark Hunt
    Lee Tae-Hyun
    Paul Buentello
    Mirko Filipovic (ruled a no contest)

    Now really think about who makes up this list...


    Reflect...


    and how do you figure he'll run through someone like Cain Velasquez? To say he has a chance to win is one thing, to root for him to win is fine, but to say he'll destroy Cain is ridiculous.

    You're absolutely right that Reem has been beating up cans and over the hill fighters at HW, but he has more experience and better striking and submission technique than Cain. Taking nothing away from Cain who is a forking beast. I think the Reem wins, but I just want to see these guys rumble.
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    Originally Posted by elperfecto View Post
    For the one's saying Overeem (the majority), what makes you think that because he packed on some muscle and moved up to HW he's essentially a better fighter? Granted he is on a 9 fight win streak, however if you're too lazy to look it up, here's the list:

    Todd Duffee
    Brett Rogers
    Kazuyuki Fujita
    James Thompson
    Tony Sylvester
    Gary Goodridge
    Mark Hunt
    Lee Tae-Hyun
    Paul Buentello
    Mirko Filipovic (ruled a no contest)

    Now really think about who makes up this list...


    Reflect...


    and how do you figure he'll run through someone like Cain Velasquez? To say he has a chance to win is one thing, to root for him to win is fine, but to say he'll destroy Cain is ridiculous.
    Phucking this. The hype train for Overeem is ridiculous when it's obvious the guy hasn't fought anyone good, let alone a top 10 HW.

    He might have good striking and submission game, but his chin is still the same. Just sayin'
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    Since when does Overeem have a good overall submission game? He's got a nasty guillotine but he's looked sorry off his back just as many times as he's caught guys in that. People will say crap like "he's never been taken down and beaten up at HW" but that's because when he was 205 he actually fought guys that were capable enough to do it.... how many good wrestlers has he fought at HW to even see if he's improved that? I'll answer that for you... NONE.
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    Originally Posted by HulkHagen View Post
    Since when does Overeem have a good overall submission game? He's got a nasty guillotine but he's looked sorry off his back just as many times as he's caught guys in that. People will say crap like "he's never been taken down and beaten up at HW" but that's because when he was 205 he actually fought guys that were capable enough to do it.... how many good wrestlers has he fought at HW to even see if he's improved that? I'll answer that for you... NONE.
    How many good submission guys has Cain been on the ground with? How many good strikers has he stood with?

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    Originally Posted by SiL3nT44 View Post
    Phucking this. The hype train for Overeem is ridiculous when it's obvious the guy hasn't fought anyone good, let alone a top 10 HW.
    I wonder if you were saying the same thing about Bones Jones. "Zomg who has Bones Jones beat??? Shogun has fought the best fighterz!!" Look how that turned out.

    According to people like you, Jon Jones wasn't as good a fighter as Shogun until AFTER he beat Shogun. HE WAS BETTER THE WHOLE TIME. Just because he hadn't proved himself doesn't mean that during the fight he magically became better than Shogun. He was better all along. Except all you heard before the fight was "lulz who has Bones faced??".

    Many others feel the same about Overeem. They have seen him fight in K-1 and MMA and have come to the conclusion that he is better by WATCHING their fights. Many people believe that his skill set is better. He has superior striking and BJJ. They also believe his TDD is good enough to stop Cain's.

    "OMGZ WHO HAS HE FACED" is just a dumb argument for people who can't judge for themselves the skills of a fighter. If you believe Cain is better and give actual reasons, then fine. I am just sick of people just going on Wikipedia and seeing each fighters opponents and coming to a conclusion on who is the better fighter. If the Tiger Woods dominates a bunch of 10 year olds in golf, is Michelle Wie better because she faced better competition?

    Overeem will prove in time that he is one of the best Heavyweights in the world. Whether or not he is the best, we will find out.
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    Originally Posted by Beasly3333 View Post
    I wonder if you were saying the same thing about Bones Jones. "Zomg who has Bones Jones beat??? Shogun has fought the best fighterz!!" Look how that turned out.

    According to people like you, Jon Jones wasn't as good a fighter as Shogun until AFTER he beat Shogun. HE WAS BETTER THE WHOLE TIME. Just because he hadn't proved himself doesn't mean that during the fight he magically became better than Shogun. He was better all along. Except all you heard before the fight was "lulz who has Bones faced??".

    Many others feel the same about Overeem. They have seen him fight in K-1 and MMA and have come to the conclusion that he is better by WATCHING their fights. Many people believe that his skill set is better. He has superior striking and BJJ. They also believe his TDD is good enough to stop Cain's.

    "OMGZ WHO HAS HE FACED" is just a dumb argument for people who can't judge for themselves the skills of a fighter. If you believe Cain is better and give actual reasons, then fine. I am just sick of people just going on Wikipedia and seeing each fighters opponents and coming to a conclusion on who is the better fighter. If the Tiger Woods dominates a bunch of 10 year olds in golf, is Michelle Wie better because she faced better competition?

    Overeem will prove in time that he is one of the best Heavyweights in the world. Whether or not he is the best, we will find out.
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    it's going to be hard for Cain to take Overeem down if Overeem keeps his focus and is ready for Cain's shots. He's uber strongggggg.
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    Originally Posted by Donoreem View Post
    How many good submission guys has Cain been on the ground with? How many good strikers has he stood with?

    This goes both ways.
    Neither because he doesn't have to... if the guy is a good striker he takes them down and wears them out; if they're good submission guys he KO's them. That's not even the point I was trying to make... I'm saying Overeem has gassed and/or given up when someone has shown they can put him on his back, and people keep saying he's improved since then in that aspect.... how do they know?? He hasn't fought any good wrestlers at HW. Cain has beaten two pretty good wrestlers, he out boxed Brock and was able to get right up when Brock took him down, and he dominated Jake O'Brien who isn't a big name, but is still a better wrestler than anyone Overeem has beat which speaks volumes about the level of competition he's faced.

    He's a strong dude and he might be able to sprawl a solid traditional HW wrestler, but Cain doesn't wrestle like most HW's, the guy is relentless and keeps looking for takedowns in a variety of positions, and eventually he'll get one.
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    cain has beat:


    ben rothwell, kongo, a biologically 55 year old nog, mr scared of punches lesnar

    Overeem hasn't lost in mma in nearly 4 years, has finished all of those fights except 1 in the first round, is the best HW striker on the planet without question




    ummm geeeeee I wonder who'd win
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    Originally Posted by Addthefun123123 View Post
    cain has beat:


    ben rothwell, kongo, a biologically 55 year old nog, mr scared of punches lesnar

    Overeem hasn't lost in mma in nearly 4 years, has finished all of those fights except 1 in the first round, is the best HW striker on the planet without question




    ummm geeeeee I wonder who'd win
    Overeem hasn't lost in MMA in nearly 4 years because that's the last time he fought anyone good, lol. I think he's a good fighter but the guy is completely unproven against good wrestlers. You list all the guys that Cain beat, I dare you to list the guys Overeem has beat in MMA over these last four years you mention.
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