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    Originally Posted by Joseph1990 View Post
    Strongly disagree and have no idea how you came to that conclusion/logic.

    Anything you consume is made up of either fats, protein, carbs, or a combination of the 3. AFAIK alcohol is the only true empty calorie.
    Chicken breast, Whey Isolate, nearly all fruits, oils. There are MANy foods that also contain nearly all of their calories from one macro type.

    It is actually a really simple way of eating, and many would find that to be true if they gave it a shot. There are many people that follow my logic, and they all say how it helps them get away from worrying about hitting a specific macro number over and over and over, day after day after day.

    Their macro numbers might waver a bit from day to day, but their calorie numbers remain the same (or where they want them if they are cycling). I would think that this idea would be highly supported, as it is based more on calories in at the end of the day than being anal about specific macro numbers, ya know?

    Just defending my proposal.
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    Ever heard of fitday or myfitnesspal.. yeah..
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    Originally Posted by Cumulonimbus View Post
    Ever heard of fitday or myfitnesspal.. yeah..
    I have, but that takes time to be typing in your daily meals and making sure they fit the macro numbers. It doesn't matter how much time it takes, it takes time, so people are less likely to do it....that's reality.

    So yes, I have heard of them, but if you look at nutrition through the method I'm explaining, there is no need for websites like those.

    Cut out the grunt work, simplify, and more people will be more successful. You could still use your IIFYM method, it would just be easier.
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    Originally Posted by juliacheh View Post
    Lulz at comparing a human being with a car.
    actually, it's a fairly awesome ****ing analogy and I think that's why everyone avoided it and instead trolled through my pics and found where I didn't shake it well enough to lurk on that?

    Originally Posted by alan aragon View Post
    You're pretty outspoken about dietary perfectionism. Why didn't you join the competition?
    Why would I join a competition? I've never been in a bodybuilding show or a powerlifting meet, I have plenty of internal motivation.

    Originally Posted by ErickStevens View Post
    Definitely mad.
    Actually, it is the IIFYM's that go off on anything I post no matter how Socratic, docile, and benign it might be, you negged me for that? It's like your brains are walled off to the idea that you might be wrong and if someone so much as throws a pebble over the wall, holy hell then you'll get really upset. Just consider me wrong, why you so up in arms about it if I'm such a fool? I mean if someone tells me 3+7=chair then I just keep walking...

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    You pee your pants?
    Na your mas left some slob on my knob after she saw my dougie. wtf do I care if I dropped a very strong spot on my undies and then took a picture of my quads and posted it to a forum where I remain anonymous? I see that's the best any of you could do at combating my perfectly logical analogy that you most certainly hated for how poignant (look it up) it was.


    Here's another.

    I have two dogs, when I feed them $18 bag Pedigree their coat lacks luster. When I feed them $50/bag Eukanuba their coats shine. All else equal. Garbage in, garbage out. Good stuff in, good stuff out.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    I have, but that takes time to be typing in your daily meals and making sure they fit the macro numbers. It doesn't matter how much time it takes, it takes time, so people are less likely to do it....that's reality.

    So yes, I have heard of them, but if you look at nutrition through the method I'm explaining, there is no need for websites like those.

    Cut out the grunt work, simplify, and more people will be more successful. You could still use your IIFYM method, it would just be easier.
    So how in the flying fukc could you call IIFYM'ers lazy if IT TAKES TIME TO BE TYPING IN YOUR DAILY MEALS?
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    Originally Posted by Rugger7 View Post
    actually, it's a fairly awesome ****ing analogy and I think that's why everyone avoided it and instead trolled through my pics and found where I didn't shake it well enough to lurk on that?
    It's a totally fkd analogy. Comparing an organic flesh and blood human being to man made mechanical machine is absolutely ludicrous no matter how you look at it.

    Then you correlate gasoline with water and sugar, is this real life?
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    Originally Posted by Joseph1990 View Post
    It's a totally fkd analogy. Comparing an organic flesh and blood human being to man made mechanical machine is absolutely ludicrous no matter how you look at it.

    Then you correlate gasoline with water and sugar, is this real life?
    Actually to break it down for you... gasoline is the component that is supposed to go in the car (80%).. water and sugar should never be put in a gas tank (20%).. do this.. car malfunctions. Not saying you won't be able to gain/lose weight if only 80% of your calories come from healthy whole foods... just saying.. would you put water & sugar in your car's gas tank? So why do you put anything but healthy whole foods in your body? At least if you are hoping for optimal performance and results.. That's where the analogy was supposed to lead the more intuitive... and I think it did for the most part.. which is why many of them pitched a fit.. it makes perfect sense... it's simply an inconvenient truth that does not fit your dogma.
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    If I were to eat 90% normal diet and then topped up my calories by drinking aeroplane fuel, then I could understand the car analogy.
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    Originally Posted by Rugger7 View Post
    Actually to break it down for you... gasoline is the component that is supposed to go in the car (80%).. water and sugar should never be put in a gas tank (20%).. do this.. car malfunctions. Not saying you won't be able to gain/lose weight if only 80% of your calories come from healthy whole foods... just saying.. would you put water & sugar in your car's gas tank? So why do you put anything but healthy whole foods in your body? At least if you are hoping for optimal performance and results.. That's where the analogy was supposed to lead the more intuitive... and I think it did for the most part.. which is why many of them pitched a fit.. it makes perfect sense... it's simply an inconvenient truth that does not fit your dogma.
    So your saying if someone puts a hotdog in a hotdog bun they should also put hotdogs in their bun? Makes sense right?
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    So how in the flying fukc could you call IIFYM'ers lazy if IT TAKES TIME TO BE TYPING IN YOUR DAILY MEALS?
    Yeah, I cooked meatloaf from three kinds of meat, put in all ingredients into software, calculated calories and macros, then weighed the whole meatloaf to know the correlation between weight in grams and calories. Then when I cut myself a piece for lunch I weighed this piece again.

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    Originally Posted by juliacheh View Post
    Yeah, I cooked meatloaf from three kinds of meat, put in all ingredients into software, calculated calories and macros, then weighed the whole meatloaf to know the correlation between weight in grams and calories. Then when I cut myself a piece for lunch I weighed this piece again.

    I AM LAZY AS FUKK!!!!
    Damn... now I want some meatloaf.
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    Originally Posted by Cumulonimbus View Post
    So how in the flying fukc could you call IIFYM'ers lazy if IT TAKES TIME TO BE TYPING IN YOUR DAILY MEALS?
    Uh oh, you got me! No biggie though.

    No response to my initial questioning about the lack of consideration for carb calories???

    Does IIFYM just disregard carbs as important or what? From the likes of the initial explanation, it seems it does, and that is a very large flaw if it's true.

    Choose to neg me, hate me, care less about me, or whatever else fits here....however, why are my relevant and valid questions being ignored here? I know many of you have seen them.
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    Originally Posted by juliacheh View Post
    Yeah, I cooked meatloaf from three kinds of meat, put in all ingredients into software, calculated calories and macros, then weighed the whole meatloaf to know the correlation between weight in grams and calories. Then when I cut myself a piece for lunch I weighed this piece again.

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    In all honesty, that is fine if you plan on using that same recipe many times. Good work big boss.
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    Originally Posted by Rugger7 View Post
    Actually to break it down for you... gasoline is the component that is supposed to go in the car (80%).. water and sugar should never be put in a gas tank (20%).. do this.. car malfunctions. Not saying you won't be able to gain/lose weight if only 80% of your calories come from healthy whole foods... just saying.. would you put water & sugar in your car's gas tank? So why do you put anything but healthy whole foods in your body? At least if you are hoping for optimal performance and results.. That's where the analogy was supposed to lead the more intuitive... and I think it did for the most part.. which is why many of them pitched a fit.. it makes perfect sense... it's simply an inconvenient truth that does not fit your dogma.
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    In all honesty, that is fine if you plan on using that same recipe many times. Good work big boss.
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    Why? Real bodybuilders do not cook?
    Why what? I said it was fine. Of course bodybuilders cook!
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Uh oh, you got me! No biggie though.

    No response to my initial questioning about the lack of consideration for carb calories???

    Does IIFYM just disregard carbs as important or what? From the likes of the initial explanation, it seems it does, and that is a very large flaw if it's true.

    Choose to neg me, hate me, care less about me, or whatever else fits here....however, why are my relevant and valid questions being ignored here? I know many of you have seen them.
    It disregards carbs only if you disregard carbs.

    Main aims are protein and fats. If you manage to completely dodge carbs while getting protein and fats, you're probably doing something wrong.

    And there's nothing wrong with having a big bowl of rice with lunch if you know you're going to get enough protein/fat and still hit your calorie target.
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    It disregards carbs only if you disregard carbs.

    Main aims are protein and fats. If you manage to completely dodge carbs while getting protein and fats, you're probably doing something wrong.
    Let me get this straight; if I aim for something, and do a good job of hitting only what I'm aiming for, I'm 'probably doing something wrong.'

    Call me crazy, but something doesn't make sense there.

    I'm wondering why the option is there to disregard carbs in the first place. Is this program implying that carbs are not important? It would be nice to hear from the creator on this topic. Hearing it from the source is typically best, and most accurate.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Let me get this straight; if I aim for something, and do a good job of hitting only what I'm aiming for, I'm 'probably doing something wrong.'

    Call me crazy, but something doesn't make sense there.

    I'm wondering why the option is there to disregard carbs in the first place. Is this program implying that carbs are not important? It would be nice to hear from the creator on this topic. Hearing it from the source is typically best, and most accurate.
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    I'd explain what I mean but you're an arrogant twat.
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    Touchy touchy. I appreciate your opinion though. Repped!

    My question is still up for answering if anyone can answer it.
    Why not read the fukcing links in the OP, it clearly explains your question..
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    Why not read the fukcing sticky in the OP, it clearly explains your question..
    No, it actually doesn't. My question came up as a result of the sticky. The sticky does not address any recommendation for carb intake. It only talks about protein and fat requirements.

    Does this mean that IIFYM doesn't believe that carb intake is important? Why the set requirements for protein and fats, yet nothing for carbs?
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    No, it actually doesn't. My question came up as a result of the sticky. The sticky does not address any recommendation for carb intake. It only talks about protein and fat requirements.

    Does this mean that IIFYM doesn't believe that carb intake is important? Why the set requirements for protein and fats, yet nothing for carbs?
    Because carbs are very individual to ones training intensity and caloric needs. Get protein and fat req's, fill calorie gap with CHO. Rocket science rite?
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    Originally Posted by Cumulonimbus View Post
    Because carbs are very individual to ones training intensity and caloric needs. Get protein and fat req's, fill calorie gap with CHO. Rocket science rite?
    The sticky doesn't say to fill the gap with carbs though, which is going to throw many people off.

    Also, if there is always a set amount of protein and fats based on a formula, which is based on bodyweight it appears, how is one able to individualize their carb intake if they are simply told to "fill calorie gap with CHO."

    What should they do if they want more carbs than the formulas allow for, but don't want to increase their overall calorie intake?

    How about if they want less? Should they fill in their available calories with proteins, fats, or both?
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    The sticky doesn't say to fill the gap with carbs though, which is going to throw many people off.

    Also, if there is always a set amount of protein and fats based on a formula, which is based on bodyweight it appears, how is one able to individualize their carb intake if they are simply told to "fill calorie gap with CHO."

    What should they do if they want more carbs than the formulas allow for, but don't want to increase their overall calorie intake?

    How about if they want less? Should they fill in their available calories with proteins, fats, or both?
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    Originally Posted by Cumulonimbus View Post
    Looks like you need to read Emma's sticky.
    You missed my point, and also don't appear to know what the IIFYM sticky describes for carb intake either.

    I'm just reading it as is, plain english, and bringing up a notable point. Instead of leading me on a wild good chase, why not just answer the questions? You seem to have the time on your hands.
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    You're a real pain in the ass you know that? Like a gnat buzzing in your ear, you just don't give up.
    You're right, when I have a valid question and it doesn't get answered by the people who created this method, I feel a bit disappointed. I'm not doing anything wrong or insulting anyone, just asking questions and invoking discussion. After all, this is a forum

    Thanks for your opinion though, repped......on recharge.

    I'm simply trying to learn the core philosophy behind IIFYM, and leaving out any guidelines for carb intake just seems like a flaw to me. Trying to learn here.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    You're right, when I have a valid question and it doesn't get answered by the people who created this method, I feel a bit disappointed. I'm not doing anything wrong or insulting anyone, just asking questions and invoking discussion. After all, this is a forum

    Thanks for your opinion though, repped......on recharge.

    I'm simply trying to learn the core philosophy behind IIFYM, and leaving out any guidelines for carb intake just seems like a flaw to me. Trying to learn here.
    there is no guideline for carb intake. Once you meet your fat and protein needs how many carbs you have to reach you calorie goal is up to you. Whether that is 300g of carbs and or 210g carbs and 40g of fat more thats up to you.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    You're right, when I have a valid question and it doesn't get answered by the people who created this method, I feel a bit disappointed. I'm not doing anything wrong or insulting anyone, just asking questions and invoking discussion. After all, this is a forum

    Thanks for your opinion though, repped......on recharge.

    I'm simply trying to learn the core philosophy behind IIFYM, and leaving out any guidelines for carb intake just seems like a flaw to me. Trying to learn here.
    Lol, good point on bolded.

    IMO, carb intake is important, and like said numerous time before, is dependant on ones goals, activity level, and type of training. I think carb intake is of more importance to endurance athletes and those with high volume training. I do agree that it should be outlined in the OP though.
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