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    Originally Posted by YeomenKek View Post
    Me neither, rather a way to structure your own diet.

    The way I see it, someone who has their own definitions of 'clean' and 'dirty' foods would split them into 2 groups and structure a diet out of the 'clean' ones.

    Someone with an IIFYMesque approach would split them into 3 groups - protein, fat and preferences - and then structure a diet from the protein and fats groups to meet requirements before filling the rest with foods they crave on a regular basis or just grew up eating and love to have. That's what I do anyway.

    The biggest problem for me when I first started dieting without knowing the IIFYM approach was that I would structure a diet out of the defined 'clean' food group and follow that diet until it go so monotonously depressing that I would binge and feel guilty about it for days (usually cut to a severe deficit to try and compensate, which would just start the cycle again). I owe much of the IIFYM approach to not only new physical appearance, but also my psychological disposition with food.
    Yea, it's more of a dieting concept/philosophy rather than a diet itself. People need to realize that and stop posting stupid sh!t!
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    Originally Posted by ParsonBrown View Post
    dat - I actually am starting to believe it can/should be recommended to newbies. The "TIPS" posted in the OP's post stated you should work to get your macro's from whole foods as much as possible (sorry I'm paraphrasing here). I have always known how to count calories and work in a deficit or surplus, but honestly was somewhat spinning my wheels.

    Using some common sense and the tools provided in this forum and the net...a person can learn - from the start - to properly count macros and make inteligent eating decisions throughout the day/week. Why not learn to do that from the start instead of building up walls and potentially uneccesary habits in your nutrition.

    I will give you a good example. I ran out of whey a few weeks ago and didn't have enough for my PWO shake...I literally freaked. This maybe an extreme example, but I honestly know a lot of people who are hung up on nutrient timing. Spending several hours reading and studying the evidence I know better now. I rushed out and ordered $xxx of protein when I didn't need to for that purpose.

    I understand what you are saying, but I am slowly coming to the reality that I want to learn/live/eat/whatever efficiently. I'm sold on the fact that meeting daily macro goals is the key. What harm can it do to educate and encourage people to do this from the start.

    All of that said, I appreciate the discussions we can all have from this. Thanks OP for putting this together. I really see where so many people are struggling with this...I had to take a deep breath myself.
    Originally Posted by angryguywalking View Post
    The OP already said have the diet revolve around wholesome foods (80%) and the other 20% can be whatever you want.

    I don't think anyone would do the first place, because if I did I'd be more starving than an Ethiopian.
    I agree with what you are saying, but the problem is, most people don't have common sense when it comes to this stuff. Many people want to be spoon fed and don't want to do any of the work to learn about nutrition.

    The problem is, it is called "If It Fits Your Macros", and "fitting your macros" is not the sole condition checked when making food choices.

    But maybe that's the point? The one's who follow the "IIFYM" catch-cry blindly don't get anywhere, and those who take the time to do it properly make progress. Survival of the smartest.

    It's far too late now, the IIFYM bandwagon has set off and is well rooted. This sticky is a good idea, but it relies on people actually reading it. I'll wager that if everyone read the stickies, this IIFYM "idea" (you're right, it's not a diet) would never have been conceived.

    So all in all, although good intentions were meant, all this will do is add another dimension to the multitude of **** threads posted by people who are too lazy to read!

    I'm in a cynical mood tonight.
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    Originally Posted by dat View Post
    I agree with what you are saying, but the problem is, most people don't have common sense when it comes to this stuff. Many people want to be spoon fed and don't want to do any of the work to learn about nutrition.

    The problem is, it is called "If It Fits Your Macros", and "fitting your macros" is not the sole condition checked when making food choices.

    But maybe that's the point? The one's who follow the "IIFYM" catch-cry blindly don't get anywhere, and those who take the time to do it properly make progress. Survival of the smartest.

    It's far too late now, the IIFYM bandwagon has set off and is well rooted. This sticky is a good idea, but it relies on people actually reading it. I'll wager that if everyone read the stickies, this IIFYM "idea" (you're right, it's not a diet) would never have been conceived.

    So all in all, although good intentions were meant, all this will do is add another dimension to the multitude of **** threads posted by people who are too lazy to read!

    I'm in a cynical mood tonight.
    I will agree with you! People don't have common sense...and they want to be spoon fed!

    It's a tough thing for sure. Years ago I had to be spoon fed too...let me rephrase that. I wanted to be, but I didn't need to be. Thankfully some people were willing to be patient with me. A little patience goes a long way on the forum...as well as a little searching. It goes both ways. And thankfully MOST people play by those rules (I'm an optimist at worst).

    I'm feeling a bit cynical myself and it's the middle of the day where I am at.
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    Finally, another sticky for all the n00bs to just ignore, LOL.

    J/K bro, great job compiling the info.

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    When I fill up my car at the gas station, I put in 80% 93 octane, then I top it off with a mixture of water and sugar. brb, walking to the bus stop to go pickup my car from the shop.
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    Originally Posted by Rugger7 View Post
    When I fill up my car at the gas station, I put in 80% 93 octane, then I top it off with a mixture of water and sugar. brb, walking to the bus stop to go pickup my car from the shop.
    Lulz at comparing a human being with a car.
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    Props for the write up! However I think that most noobs will still be confused, but it sure will help most. Time will tell.
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    When I fill up my car at the gas station, I put in 80% 93 octane, then I top it off with a mixture of water and sugar. brb, walking to the bus stop to go pickup my car from the shop.


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    Originally Posted by Rugger7 View Post
    When I fill up my car at the gas station, I put in 80% 93 octane, then I top it off with a mixture of water and sugar. brb, walking to the bus stop to go pickup my car from the shop.
    You're pretty outspoken about dietary perfectionism. Why didn't you join the competition?
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    Originally Posted by Rugger7 View Post
    When I fill up my car at the gas station, I put in 80% 93 octane, then I top it off with a mixture of water and sugar. brb, walking to the bus stop to go pickup my car from the shop.
    Definitely mad.
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    Lulz at comparing a human being with a car.
    He's revving up his car's metabolic fire.
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    Originally Posted by YeomenKek View Post

    -200lb man at 20% body fat wants to lose weight
    -Maintenance calories: 3000
    -Calories to cut: 2400
    -1.5g protein per lb/LBM: (1.5 * 160) 240g
    -0.45g fat per lb/BW: (200 * 0.45) 90g
    -Calories from fats + protein minimums: (240 * 4) + (90 * 9) = 1770
    -Calories from reaching minimums taken from calories to cut: (2400 - 1770) 630
    -He has 630 kcal left to fill with whatever foods he chooses and still lose weight as a result of remaining in a calorie deficit.
    The bolded part sparked a couple of thoughts:

    So is there no attention paid to the amount of carb calories that should be consumed? If so, why?

    Is there a higher priority placed on calories consumed from proteins and fats? If so, why?

    IMO, worrying about specific protein and fat intake amounts and letting the carb chips fall where they may seems a bit strange. Can someone explain this?

    I actually have an idea on how to improve this system, as there are is a significant design flaw that I see, not dealing with my above carb questions. I don't have the time to explain it now, but I definitely will in the future. In the meantime, any chance of answering my questions above?

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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    The bolded part sparked a couple of thoughts:

    So is there no attention paid to the amount of carb calories that should be consumed? If so, why?

    Is there a higher priority placed on calories consumed from proteins and fats? If so, why?

    IMO, worrying about specific protein and fat intake amounts and letting the carb chips fall where they may seems a bit strange. Can someone explain this?

    I actually have an idea on how to improve this system, as there are is a significant design flaw that I see, not dealing with my above carb questions. I don't have the time to explain it now, but I definitely will in the future. In the meantime, any chance of answering my questions above?

    Thanks
    Once you set up protein and fat requirements, carbohydrates are going to fill in the rest regardless since that's all that's left
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    Originally Posted by midcoastking33 View Post
    Once you set up protein and fat requirements, carbohydrates are going to fill in the rest regardless since that's all that's left
    Wrong.

    The post says the sample trainee has 600some calories to fill the rest of the daily calorie requirements. Those calories could be coming from any food source, as it does not say to consume primary carb sources to obtain those 600some calories.
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    Wrong.

    The post says the sample trainee has 600some calories to fill the rest of the daily calorie requirements. Those calories could be coming from any food source, as it does not say to consume primary carb sources to obtain those 600some calories.
    As far as fat loss is considered it doesn't matter at all. Maybe from a training or insulin sensitivity standpoint but that's it
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    Originally Posted by midcoastking33 View Post
    As far as fat loss is considered it doesn't matter at all. Maybe from a training or insulin sensitivity standpoint but that's it
    If that is the mindset of the program, why aim for a targeted amount of any macro? Shouldn't the sample program just say "eat 2400 calories" and call it a day?

    I really don't want to get into a debate with you about my statement towards you. Your response just wasn't correct, and it didn't answer my question effectively. No worries, I'm just waiting for one of the IIFYM bosses to step in.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    If that is the mindset of the program, why aim for a targeted amount of any macro? Shouldn't the sample program just say "eat 2400 calories" and call it a day?

    I really don't want to get into a debate with you about my statement towards you. Your response just wasn't correct, and it didn't answer my question effectively. No worries, I'm just waiting for one of the IIFYM bosses to step in.
    Sorry man, I don't know the stickies all that well. This is what I follow:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ts-part-2.html

    Basically protein reqs for maintenance of muscle mass, fat for hormone function. Plus those two are more satiating than carbs. The regulars can fill you in on exactly why their numbers are what they are, it's definitely not just cals in cals out though
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    Originally Posted by midcoastking33 View Post
    Sorry man, I don't know the stickies all that well. This is what I follow:

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat...ts-part-2.html

    Basically protein reqs for maintenance of muscle mass, fat for hormone function. Plus those two are more satiating than carbs. The regulars can fill you in on exactly why their numbers are what they are, it's definitely not just cals in cals out though
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    The bolded part sparked a couple of thoughts:

    So is there no attention paid to the amount of carb calories that should be consumed? If so, why?

    Is there a higher priority placed on calories consumed from proteins and fats? If so, why?

    IMO, worrying about specific protein and fat intake amounts and letting the carb chips fall where they may seems a bit strange. Can someone explain this?

    I actually have an idea on how to improve this system, as there are is a significant design flaw that I see, not dealing with my above carb questions. I don't have the time to explain it now, but I definitely will in the future. In the meantime, any chance of answering my questions above?

    Thanks
    Protein and fat are the only essential macronutrients as in they sustain life, without them you die.

    CHO are your body's primary energy source but not the only one. With this in mind theoretically speaking you should fill the remainder of your caloric intake with CHO if you wish to be most efficient. However this dose not always translate into the real world. Some people notice no increase or difference in energy levels with carbs ranging from 100-400, these same people might prefer to consume more dietary fat or protein if they can fit it in their calorie intake for various reasons, taste, satiety, etc.

    IIFYM is here to make things easier and more flexible, not to be the most elite restrictive diet plan of the century.

    As far as weight gain and weight loss is concerned yes it is cals in vs cals out.
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    Originally Posted by Joseph1990 View Post
    Protein and fat are the only essential macronutrients as in they sustain life, without them you die.

    CHO are your body's primary energy source but not the only one. With this in mind theoretically speaking you should fill the remainder of your caloric intake with CHO if you wish to be most efficient. However this dose not always translate into the real world. Some people notice no increase or difference in energy levels with carbs ranging from 100-400, these same people might prefer to consume more dietary fat or protein if they can fit it in their calorie intake for various reasons, taste, satiety, etc.

    IIFYM is here to make things easier and more flexible, not to be the most elite restrictive diet plan of the century.
    Now we're getting somewhere.

    One issue that I see is that it would be easier for the sample trainee to shoot for a certain amount of calories from foods that primarily provide protein calories, foods that primarily provide fat calories, and foods that primarily provide carb calories. This would be an easier approach as opposed to worrying about hitting an exact amount of PC&F macros.

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    Lets all take advice from the man who pee's his pants.
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    its the fact that he was dumb enough to take a picture of it and post it. That shows his true intelligence.
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    Originally Posted by 2020Wellness View Post
    Now we're getting somewhere.

    One issue that I see is that it would be easier for the sample trainee to shoot for a certain amount of calories from foods that primarily provide protein calories, foods that primarily provide fat calories, and foods that primarily provide carb calories. This would be an easier approach as opposed to worrying about hitting an exact amount of PC&F macros.

    Agree?
    Strongly disagree and have no idea how you came to that conclusion/logic.

    Anything you consume is made up of either fats, protein, carbs, or a combination of the 3. AFAIK alcohol is the only true empty calorie.
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