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05-26-2019, 02:39 PM #1621
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05-28-2019, 11:58 AM #1622
Update: felt a pop in the repair site 11 weeks post op leading to pain/weakness
Update on my situation: at 11 weeks post op (last Monday), I felt a pop in the repair site, and everything felt normal until 2 days later when it felt like it did before the operation (weak, imbalanced, dull pain in the groin area).
I saw my surgeon this morning and he confirmed that the repair was “solid as a rock”. He explained the mesh was much bigger than I thought it was and the probability of it being a recurrence after his tests is almost impossible and the repair site is stronger than before. The pop and the following weakness was likely due to the following:
1) the mesh gets covered in scar tissue, and the pop could have been the scar tissue stretching/breaking, which is normal and not a big deal.
2) one of the tacks used to hold the mesh in place popped, which isn’t a big deal at this point and it will eventually dissolve.
3) a different groin injury (with a very little chance of a different hernia forming in the area) due to the supporting muscles being imbalanced and weak. I’m thinking this is the issue as there is pain my adductor and my hip flexor is insanely tight.
After having my surgeon confirm the repair is perfectly fine, I walked out and the pain/weakeness mostly went away-still going to baby the area and look into a groin injury recovery protocol just to be 100% safe. Funny how our mind creates problems and makes them seem bigger than they really are. but better safe than sorry
Also, your operation is covered for 90 days. If there are any issues or concerns, go see your surgeon. You won’t be billed, and the peace of mind is far more important. Also, start slow when getting back into the gym. Do the basic “easy” stability/mobility exercises to get life back into your core and groin, it will save you a lot of grief.
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05-29-2019, 07:59 AM #1623
Good info love! Thanks.
I am two weeks out from my Desarda no-mesh repair. Recovering fast. Swelling is almost gone and I'm not experiencing much pain at all. I can get a little burning if I am walking too long but nothing unexpected. Incision looks great. I traveled at the end of last week with my family and carried a computer bag and had a roller bag that I placed in and out of an overhead bin with no issues whatsoever.
I did have a really violent sneeze that resulted in a little lingering pain but no more than an hour or two. I almost picked my 17 year old son up yesterday and had to remind myself I just had surgery so no shenanigans! I will report progress again at the four week post-surgery mark. Cheers!
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07-06-2019, 06:58 AM #1624
Just checking in again at the 3 year mark here, you can find my earlier posts for more details, but essentially I had a right inguinal hernia repaired; open repair, using mesh. So far haven't experienced any pain, or adverse side effects, and it hasn't affected my activities (although I'm a little more mindful if something is likely to put excessive strain on the area). Hoping the repair remains a success long term.
Good luck, and a swift recovery to everyone.
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07-11-2019, 10:05 PM #1625
Considering I read over every reply in this thread prior to my surgery, I thought I'd give my experience with open mesh surgery as well! Especially since I didn't see many perspectives from women, it might be useful to someone else.
In general, I think I managed to recover relatively quickly. I think this was mainly attributed to my great surgeon, but also to my post-surgery diet and to forcing myself to walk around a lot following the surgery. Diet-wise, I stayed very clean: high protein (including collagen), high fiber (lots and lots of veg), low sugar, multivitamin, omega 3, and turmeric.
Day 1: Surgery was in the morning. I got there an hour early, but the surgery itself only took 30 minutes. Once I woke up from anesthesia and my heart rate got up to its normal bpm, I was allowed to go home. I was walking around a bit slow, but in general I felt fine throughout the day and didn't take any of the pain meds. I made sure to drink a bunch of water, both to stay hydrated and to force myself to get up frequently and walk over to the bathroom...
Day 2: Started feel a bit uncomfortable and sore, and it was difficult getting on/off the couch, but I managed to do it without too much of a struggle. I still wasn't in much pain though so I still didn't take any of the meds.
Day 3: Had a bowel movement in the morning (which was early enough after my surgery that I never actually felt constipated thankfully). Started to walk around for longer periods of time, but definitely started feeling fatigued after ~20 minutes and needed breaks. Still no meds.
Day 4-5: About the same as day 3, but I felt good enough to drive on my own.
Days 6-10: Back at my desk job, which was honestly nice after being mostly stuck at home for 5 days. For some reason I started getting really swollen in the area on ~day 6 which was really uncomfortable (and made it pretty uncomfortable to wear most of my clothes), and I also noticed I had a lot of "head rushes" when standing up that week. Otherwise I was feeling pretty good!
Days 11-21 (present day): Swelling is gone, and I basically feel back to 100%. I had my post-op appointment with my surgeon on day 13, who said I seemed way ahead of schedule in my recovery, but made me promise to not do anything strenuous until my 6 weeks are up. Since day 11 I've been doing 60 minute incline treadmill walks just to feel like I'm not being completely lazy, but otherwise I'm still trying my best to stay away from the gym.
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07-20-2019, 08:17 PM #1626
Sometimes Bulge seems larger?
Does anybody know why "Sometimes" the "Bulge" seems larger or smaller.
- Does feeling stressed make a difference?
- Does lack of exercise make a difference?
If you have a "Hole" and your "Intestine" is pushing through (ie: the Hernia), Does eating food make the "Intestine" larger and therefore it "Cannot push through the hole". Or is it "Lack of Food" in the Intestine making the Intestine "smaller" allowing it to "portrude" through the hole easier?
I work nights and sometimes when I wake up in the afternoon and work in the garden or around the house, I get pain in the "Inguinal Hernia" in my groin, and so then I eat and try to drink a lot of water to "Fill up" and it seems to get better. I haven't been able to "really accurately pinpoint" what makes it better or worse. I'm just "Really Scared" of surgery because I have heard so many "Nightmare Stories" about using the Mesh. Are there very many Doctors that will do a Repair "Without the Mesh" or isn't really not as bad as they say??
I am in Oklahoma and really need some advice and help. Thank you all for any input....
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07-31-2019, 03:56 PM #1627
It’s my understanding that the size of the bulge depends on body position and diet.
Regarding the surgery – I was waiting for 16 years, just because I was afraid of “going under the knife”. I was using a hernia belt all the time and neoprene belts while in the gym.
I had an open surgery about a month ago, left side, with a mesh. The surgery lasts about 20 minutes under general anesthesia — not as bad as few complaints. I was taking Norco for the first few days and stool softeners for the first week. Overall I glad that I fix it.
My surgeon himself had a bilateral hernia which was fixed with a mesh. So, he strongly recommended using mesh. Also, he has a lot of experience fixing a hernia about 100+ procedures per year.
I suggest you read more about the open-mesh technic at karger.com, look for "Current Concepts of Inguinal Hernia Repair" article.
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08-06-2019, 12:36 PM #1628
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08-08-2019, 05:01 PM #1629
1 year post hernia repair pain
I was wondering if anyone here has had a similar experience. I had a left inguinal hernia repaired a year ago this month. It was done robotically/laparoscopically with mesh. They suspected one on the right as well but didn’t find anything when they were in there.
I have taken it REALLY easy with the workouts. I waited several months after the repair to even start upper body work and have done really light weight since. For legs I only leg press my body weight and do some other light stuff.
A couple of months ago, my left groin area appeared swollen compared to the right and was tender for a few days after a work out. I went back to my surgeon, had a CT scan and he said there was no recurrence but couldn’t really explain the swelling, which had receded by the time I got in to see him.
The pain and swelling still happens after I do some leg work or some abs exercises. I did some leg raises the other day and my left groin is tender and slightly swollen.
Any thoughts about whether this may be a recurrence or is this just some pain/discomfort I have to live with from now on?
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09-09-2019, 07:25 AM #1630
Desarda, 1 year update
Bilateral inguinal hernia, Desarda repair, 1 year-ish update
I think my repair was done on the 21st of last September, but I haven't been getting back to the forum as often, and I don't want to forget to do proper follow-up, so this should be close enough. For anyone interested, my info was logged in great detail on this thread starting after the surgery last year and for several months after, along with quite a bit of info and discussion about Desarda repairs.
There's really not much to report over the last few months. I never have pain or swelling of any kind, and the sensation that I described long ago - that if felt like it feels when you have something in your pocket, nothing bad, just that something is there - has disappeared with time. I occasionally feel a slight sense of stretch in the area with deep squats, but never anything weird or painful. I haven't gone back to deadlifting as heavy as I can, but I probably could (the hard Valsalva was the main concern). I squat and do upper body with no concerns. For all intents and purposes it's as if it never happened, and I'm happy with the repair and with the results.
I wish everyone well, and encourage you to do plenty of research.
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09-10-2019, 04:48 AM #1631
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Just checking in. Had my surgery 8/30/17. Laparoscopic, both sides, Pro-grip mesh.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1517950041
Was back in the gym 10 days later.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1518937211
Squatted 275 11 days post-op.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1519019311
Deadlifted 295 15 days post-op.
https://forum.bodybuilding.com/showt...post1519659711
Just deadlifted 405 yesterday.
I haven't had any problems with the surgery at all.
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09-27-2019, 04:56 AM #1632
Hello!
I would like to update you guys. Since the expert in hernia surgery in my hospital in Holland is a trainee, and they stated that surely I had a recurrence, well, when I went back to Spain for holidays last july and I checked with new surgeon.
New surgeon, by touching, he said that I might have a protusion, not hernia, but he prescribed an MRI to discard for sure, it was an abdominal and pelvic one, including valsalva maneuvers during the test. The result is that I do not have any recurrence, so no hernia, so I can do my routine normally, so far I do and I'm fully back to full power since 2.5 months after surgery. The surgeon said that I might have a recurrence in the future, no matters what I do, so I'm continuing with my normal life but kind of unhappy of what will come. I have some pains and that's all.
Conclusion is that I 100 % regret having had this stupid bilateral hernia repair with open surgery performed by a surgeon specialised in colon surgeries and stuff like that. I will have to do it again whetever I do when it happens again, and I had very small hernias. My recommendation is that don't rush like me, just make sure the surgeon is competent and unless you have to go to surgery, do not go if the hernia os not going crazy...
Thanks again and Best Regards!
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09-28-2019, 03:41 PM #1633
I too had Desarda repair. Bilateral, one direct, one indirect. Indirect was large and surgeon need to rebuild abdomen wall.
I flew to U-first in Ft. Meyers Fl for Dr Tomas. He's done thousands using this method. He posts his negative results online; 1% re-do and 0% ongoing pain.
He told me, "I could do these in my sleep". I believe it, he's good.
He didn't know my abs were blown out and needed a rebuild until he got in there. He did it in his clinic w/o GA (general anesthesia). I didn't need to go to a hospital and have it done.
Pain level 1-2 unless getting in/out of bed at hotel that's too tall in the ADA units, then a 5. Flew out on recovery day 2.
U-first cost is $3,250. I paid $6,200 for both sides and he just did the ab rebuild while in there. Git er done. Includes all prescriptions and ice bags -provided at office. The pills are in ordered and in blister packs and they write the times on the back for your 1st cycle, then repeat. Staff all very nice and extremely helpful.
They have a deal with SpringHill Suites by Marriott. $89/nt includes airport shuttle and shuttle to every appointment - no stress. They make you a protein smoothie for after surgery. Free breakfast with eggs and raw spinach to get bowels moving and speed healing.
They give you ADA rooms with tall beds - a real pain in the abs post surgery. Use the couch instead and a steel computer table to muscle up a bit. 1/3 the pain & strain.
I brought DocuSol Mini Enemas 5 pack to jumpstart bowels. Your bowels WILL NOT work after surgery. I tried psyllium husk, magnesium citrate, and leafy greens for fiber and got nothing. DocuSol will work, be near a toilet.
If your unit swells try a thin dress sock over it and then an unfrozen gel pack around it. But ice is your friend. Walking is your friend. I walk & ice at every med time stamp at a minimum.
Desarda Method might take longer to get back in the saddle but hurts less, no rejection of foreign body, no failure of material, ad infinitum. DO YOUR RESEARCH BEFORE GETTING MESH. There's also Shouldice for mesh-free repair.Last edited by Looton; 09-28-2019 at 05:20 PM.
Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.
-Twain
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09-30-2019, 05:59 AM #1634
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10-03-2019, 06:58 AM #1635
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10-03-2019, 07:08 AM #1636
My experience exactly, except that I didn't get a smoothie, dammit! Agree on his skill, the smoothness of the whole process, including hotels, medication, and staff. I would mention that I didn't get opiates, but rather gabapentin, which I think he gives standard. It worked great. I was a little backed up for a couple of days, but used the best bowel clearing medication ever: sugarless gummy bears (check Amazon reviews to be sure you're getting the right ones). Agree that recovery is a bit slower with tissue-only (depending on who you're comparing with - some mesh recoveries seem fast, some slow), but worth it. Not sure about Shouldice - it's been over a year now since I did my research, but at the time I wasn't impressed with other tissue-only repair methods.
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11-02-2019, 11:51 AM #1637
Thank you bro
Can't tell you how much I needed to read this thread. It's been a whole year. I'm 32 only 5'7" weighted 182lbs all muscle man about 9-11% body fat and I did 1 extra deadlift max set.. so stupid I know... that's when I cause my inguinal hernia.
Had the surgery a year ago Oct 17th 2018. Made it a year. I am only weighing 156lbs now. Feeling like a little little dude. Lost all confidence in the sense of feeling like a titan when I walked around. Lost all power.
Just wanted to say I'm glad I found this today.
Thanks man,
Eric
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11-13-2019, 01:19 PM #1638
Signs of hernia
Can you have a hernia with no pain / no clear bulge. I was squating and felt like a rug burn feeling in my groin, thought it was the belt, did another rep and then the pain got real bad and felt like a ripping/stretching/burning.
That was 5 days ago and, as of now, there is no pain unless i really press on it and no bulge. Im probably just ****ing myself mentally and causing my own problem.
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11-13-2019, 01:33 PM #1639
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I had no pain with mine until the day it damn near burst, but definitely a bulge; if there is no bulge it could just be a strain or pulled muscle. The bulge is the intestine pushing through the muscle, so without that, likely (emphasis on likely) not a hernia. See your doctor if you're worried (a good idea to do so).
Short cuts to success are often paved with lies.
1/13/16: Massive hernia.
5/10/16: Finally back to lifting, light but improving.
Why Teens shouldn't cut/Lack of progress thread- http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=169272763&p=1397509823#post1397509823
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11-22-2019, 05:09 AM #1640
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12-05-2019, 12:35 PM #1641
I had open incision hernia surgery for a morgagni hernia (congenital hole in diaphragm). No mesh used.
Four years later (end of April 2019) I had a open incision hiatal hernia with nissen fundoplication (they wrap the stomach around the eso****us) and again, no mesh.
Six weeks ago (October 23, 2019) I had an incisional hernia, umbilical hernia, and TWO inguinal hernias repaired. Robotic laparoscopic with mesh this time.
I don't lift heavy. Mostly I run either 2-3 miles on the treadmill or 5k and 10k races outside. I am not overweight, but I'm not toned either. 5'6" 163 lbs. 52 year old male.
Still mad at the first Dr for not using mesh as recurrence is 70% without it and at all the Dr's who told me to turn and cough (including the Urologist) who NEVER noticed my inguinal hernias.
Now, as to why I am here. I need to start on some abdominal exercises to strengthen my core. Any advice would be appreciated.
Sorry, this thread is 55 pages long and I've only read a few pages.Last edited by jbach67; 12-12-2019 at 12:14 PM.
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12-17-2019, 11:34 PM #1642
Hello!
Sorry for not having posted since last time, I wanted to wait a wee longer to see how the whole thing evolved and I'm having increasing pain on the right, especially in the spermatic port which makes me think that definitely there's a recurrence.
I went to Spain and a surgeon said I might have a protrusion that does not mean that is a hernia, I made a MRI there and conclusion was that there's no recurrence. this happened in August and so long as I do not trust any surgeon in where I live, i.e. Holland (the experts are students, go figure), and I have a 7 months old son, I really have to find a good place. My wife is from Taiwan and I will spend 2 weeks in Xmas with family, so I will go to this place:
joshuahernia.com/?lang=en
Does anybody know about it? Apparently it has a good reputation, is a meshless technique, but I don't know...
Thanks a lot in advance again and Best Regards
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12-27-2019, 09:03 PM #1643
Hey! Quick question - after any of your workouts, did you notice more swelling than usual/bloated-ness? I'm about 4 weeks post surgery - my doctor cleared my for weightlifting after two weeks. I've been doing light/restricted lifting, but the past two days I've felt bloated after my workouts in my stomach. I'm really worried that I caused the mesh to fail, and I was wondering if it's just a normal experience of exercise after less than a month. For what it's worth, I've had very minimal pain after surgery and even very minimal pain during my workouts. Thanks!
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12-30-2019, 07:06 PM #1644
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01-08-2020, 08:01 PM #1645
I haven't been on the site for quite a while. But your post caught my eye. You're writing as if all hernia repairs are the same. They are not. There is a wide range of materials and methods. So nobody can really give good general advice about a hernia repair without the details of your repair. No offense Culican.
But, from what I've learned, the mesh almost never "fails". That's why it is so popular. The hernia does not recur but other problems might come up. At four weeks though, you are very early to be worrying. All that you can do is to get back to your normal way of life and then decide if it's good enough. If you read through the posts in this thread you'll find people who are happy with what they got and others who aren't. But once the mesh is placed and they release you for full activity, all that you can do is hope.
The area that the mesh is in will be adjusting for months, maybe years. But your odds of a recurrence, or failure, are low. At 4 weeks you probably still have pieces of absorbable sutures dissolving. Too soon to take any action.
p.s. just realized that I gave general advice. Your concern is much longer than four weeks out. You will probably feel uncomfortable for a while, even if long-term turns out okay. A broken bone takes four weeks to heal. Good luck.Last edited by SoccerAgain; 01-08-2020 at 08:07 PM.
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01-18-2020, 09:13 AM #1646
Hi everyone. I'm new here. I was hoping to get some good news stories. I had an open right side direct non mesh repair (modified bassani) 16 weeks weeks ago in which the surgeon cut the genital branch of my genital femoral nerve. I've had bad nerve pain since, stabbing around the pubic tubercle, burning, general wierdness and discomfort - its atrocious. I'm mobile and the repair feels solid - I can do a workout (not a bodybuilder but was in great shape on the day of surgery) pretty much to the level I could pre surgery but the pain is terrible. The hernia hasn't recurred. I was in no pain before surgery but stupidly opted for surgery rather than watching and waiting. I went to a surgeon who has operated on numerous elite athletes who told me chances of pain were 1 in 1000 - I took their word for it - big mistake. I'm working through the normal pills and injections but with no luck so far. Is there anyone out there with a similar story who eventually recovered? I have a 4 year old daughter, am a single dad and am self employed so this is ruling my life at the moment. Any positive stories or advice would be much appreciated.
PS I'm 38, not 50 as it says on the left!Last edited by andrew19821982; 01-18-2020 at 09:19 AM.
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