Read the stickies, you are doing it wrong
Oatmeal and bananas aren't keto!!!
Forget about macro percentages
Aim for 0.8g protein per lb of lbm
<30g carbs per day from fibrous veggies
Rest of cals in fat
Also why are you saying "bad fats"? Saturated fats are extremely good for you, butter, eggs, lard, cream are perfectly fine. The only fats to avoid are seed oils like veg oil, canola oil, cotton seed oil etc
As it stands your set up and meal plans are wrong, also your lifts would suffer on SKD and you should research CKD or TKD
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Thread: A Guide to Ketosis
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02-26-2014, 05:44 PM #391It's YOU vs YOU
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02-27-2014, 10:52 AM #392
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Well I know a lot of Keto people eat bacon, butter, lard, etc but I'm not trying to raise my cholesterol and have a heart attack when I'm 50, so I'm still going to try and avoid too much cholesterol. Before this I was only eating turkey or chicken sausage, 98% fat free turkey deli meat, fish, and bison meat...
Only thing from that list I don't mind is eggs, but I only have 4 yolks tops and the rest is whites. The only oil I use is extra light virgin olive oil. As you can see I was focused on a low-fat diet.
If you read what I wrote above, I mentioned made a mistake by eating the banana. However, I wasn't aware oats "aren't keto" because I've read the sticky in its entirety and although it isn't listed, I read people eating oats and oatmeal as a pre workout ONLY. So that's what I did both of these were eaten prior to a 2hr workout - This is based on TKD principles of eating carbs only before and after a workout.... I'm sure I burned through both.
Today is a cardio-only day so the only extra carbs I'll be getting are from vegetables, and I plan on only eating carbs other than vegetables on "refeed" days (after doing carbs from veg only for a couple weeks straight) ... so basically a CKD. Also TKD. Taken from the TKD page on bb "...if you are only doing a moderate intensity paced cardio sessions, it isn't likely that you need the carbohydrates in your diet either so you can remove them from those days if you wish as well."
I don't get why you're telling me to avoid counting the grams of fats and carbs in the cals I burn from exercise. How will I know how much fat/carbs I've really taken in without being able to count what I've burned semi-accurately? Isn't part of the diet being able to count your specific intake of fats and carbs? I don't want to just be guessing. I've been trying to do a calorie-counting diet for a while now and keep plateauing. I think it would be best to cut out unneeded excess carbs.
I guess that's the part I'm confused about. If you read what I just said this is basically a TKD/CKD moreso than a SKD.
I ate non-veg carbs before a workout -- TKD
I don't each excess carbs aka nothing but from veg - CKD
I am planning on doing no non-veg carbs at all except for refeed days.
Please tell me about today's diet: I adjusted my meals based on my keto research;
BREAKFAST
4 whole eggs 361 Cal / 28.2g Fat / 1.7g carb / 25.1g Protein
10 oz sirloin steak 788 Cal / 52.3g Fat/ 0g Carb / 74.1g Protein
1/2 Avocado 161 Cal / 14.7g Fat/ 8.6g Carb/ 2g Protein
small tomato 15C / 0.2g F / 3.2g C / .7g P
Mache Rosette (greens) <10C 0 2c 0
tsp of goat cheese 50C 10 4 5
Totals According to app: ~1400 Cals / ~102g Protein / ~13g Carbs / ~95g Fats
I usually don't eat like this for breakfast, took me a while to finish it. I usually had oatmeal/cereal, fruit/yogurt/granola, etc. Just started eating eggs again about a month ago after getting a diet regimen from a friend in natural bodybuilding. It was his "cut" diet.
Also had 2x Omega 6 pills + Multivitamin: nutrition facts here: (doesn't state specific gram amounts)
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Does a meal with these numbers meet a Keto diet better, without needing to eat a mountain of cholesterol?
If I plan on 45min cardio sesh, how do I do what to subtract from my intake besides a calorie estimate?
after eating minimal carbs for a few days, I've already been retaining less water and feel less bloated, and I'm back down to a lower weight in the morning. I also took 5 days off from lifting (because I was home for the weekend) so I felt great in the gym yesterday.
Thanks for the help.
edit:
here's my lunch and dinner 1 (I have an awkward 5:30-8:30 class but get out of class at 2 so lunch is 2:30 and 'dinner' is at 5:00, then I eat again at 8:45ish (a light meal)
Lunch:
spaghetti squash 1.5cup 52Cal / 0.5g F / 12.5g Carb/ 1.3g Pro
Italian sausage 1 ~ 125C / 7.1g F / 1.8g Cb / 13.5g Pro
Rao's marinara .3 cup 33cal / 2g F / 3.3g Carb / 0.7g Pro
Cherry pepper 1 2 / 0 / 0.5 / 0
Portobello mushroom .3
2% Milk 1 cup (~45 min after) 122Cal / 4.8g Fat / 11.7g carb/ 8.1g Pro
TOTALS according to app: 341 Cal / 9.6g Fat / 17.6g Carb / 15.5g Pro
Dinner 1: same as Lunch, but a chicken breast instead of sausage
spaghetti squash 1.5cup 52Cal / 0.5g F / 12.5g Carb/ 1.3g Pro
Grilled Chicken Breast ~8 oz 248Cal/ 8g Fat / 0g Crb / 44g protein
Rao's marinara .3 cup 33cal / 2g F / 3.3g Carb / 0.7g Pro
Cherry pepper 1 2 / 0 / 0.5 / 0
Portobello mushroom .3
TOTALS according to app: 342Cal/ 10.5g F/ 16.3g Carb/ 46g Protein
TOTALS as of Bfast/Lunch/Dinner1: 2180 Cal / 131g Fat / 80g Carbs / 178g Protein
(-~300Cal ish for cardio for 30min)
This leaves my percentages for today at: 53%Fat 15%Carb 32%Protein
Which I think is appropriate for Keto-style. The carb g's could be lower, of course.Last edited by Jbaker1121; 02-27-2014 at 02:51 PM.
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Progress thread: http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=157415253&p=1144186993#post1144186993
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02-27-2014, 05:51 PM #393
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02-28-2014, 12:22 PM #394
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02-28-2014, 05:19 PM #395
Seems to be a common factor on here recently! All he needs to do is research, read and learn. For example I did 6 months research, read, stalked this forum without an account until I understood what keto could offer. Recently people are jumping on the band wagon without a shred of knowledge on the subject and expect members to do it all for them!
Read stickies thn ask questions that's the least one could do!!!!It's YOU vs YOU
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03-04-2014, 09:54 AM #396
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OK but eating bacon every day and cooking everything in butter to "add fats" isn't associated with cholesterol and Keto?
Why don't you tell me what is "wrong" instead of just saying it's "wrong"...?
I've read every sticky about it, I know how to do research. I did research before actually starting. I have a "shred" of knowledge.
I'm asking if my macros are correct because they match the percentages... because I want to measure the gram of fat/carbs properly when trying to do this dieT in order to factor in exercising and weight training. Then people tell me not to measure the macros, etc. - then people say I'm doing it wrong.....with no correction
"your meal plans are wrong" Okay, so what is a correction? I read the stickies and made meals based on them.
(besides the oatmeal and banana, I know those were incorrect but I had to go food shopping)
besides that mistake, all my other meals have been keto-friendly according to the macros and percentages estimated and calculated by the nutrition facts, etc. I just don't know what to subtract for exercise, and whether that subtracts from total G carbs in the day, for example. Same with fats. Ex if I use 500cal working out, should I be calculated the macros of fats/carbs that go into that 500cal and subtracting them from the daily intake? or do I ignore that and just add everything up, disregarding the exercise? Last I asked I was told to "ignore" that - which doesn't make sense to me.
I'm not going to start eating bacon and start slathering everything in butter. I don't care if that's the norm with you guys. The only thing on the proffered list above I would eat is EGGS. No lard, no bacon, no mountain of butter, etc. only oil I use is olive oil and I can get the proper fats from that (I also take omega oil supps and multis)
I read nutrition facts and have been looking here http://www.ruled.me/ketogenic-diet-food-list/ for not only just a list but a list featuring nutrition facts or everything they recommend.
You guys can help by reading the meals/diet posted and recommend changes instead of just saying I'm wrong.
If I though I knew what I was doing I wouldn't have asked for the assistance
Since I started this style of eating (around a week despite the banana/oatmeal fiasco) I haven't seen 220+ in 3 days (Started around 224) and have noticed a loss of fat around my chest/armpit area....So something must be right.Last edited by Jbaker1121; 03-04-2014 at 10:27 AM.
280lb---->215 ---> Injury + life ---> 225 ---> Goal: Aesthetics
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03-19-2014, 03:22 AM #397
Hello guys, couple beginner questions here:
1) Does meal timing count during a calorie deficit KD ?
2) My goal now is burning the body fat, so a non CKD is the way to go for me. What exactly does Intense training refer to? As far as I understood, low-moderate intensity cardio is ok, but can we do weight training and not need to refeed? What sort of symptoms would indicate that a reefed is necessary?
3) Anyone had problems with staying in Ketosis if they consumed whey protein after the workout (or other time during day to meet protein needs more easily)? Also, is there a maximum amount of protein allowed in one meal (i.m thinking neoglucogenesis or something)?
Also, do any of these questions have different responses if we are more than 3 weeks into the diet (fat burning adapted) vs <3 weeks in ?
Thank you !Last edited by vlad11; 03-19-2014 at 04:26 AM.
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03-19-2014, 09:14 AM #398
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Hi Vlad,
You should start a new thread and repost your question there. That's a far more effective way to reach members that are active on this board whom can help you. When you post here, the only ones who see it are those who have subscribed to this thread by commenting in the past - and this thread is very old.
I can answer some of your questions, yet I'm confused as to if you are wanting to do a straight KD or a re-feed variation. I am not the best source of unbiased info when it comes to the two re-feed Keto diets. I don't believe in them. I strongly feel that keto should only be used for rapid fat burning. Once you are done with the fat burring, then stop keto and do a proper bulk diet for building muscle as fast as possible. Others that do the re-feeds will swear by them, but they are few and far between.
I'll just answer what has worked for me:
1. Meal timing does not matter when it comes to a KD. (However, meal timing does matter when it comes to your workouts if you are bulking. A post workout meal or protein shake has proven to be beneficial for muscle growth.)
2. Ask someone else.
3. No problems staying in keto after a whey protein shake. Yet you will have problems finding a whey protein shake that contains no carbs. Some are sold as such, but are mislabeled and will knock you out of keto. If you can get 100% pure whey protein (without additives) that would be best. I had a hard time finding this. I'm not sure this product even exists for consumers. The best zero carb whey product that is easy to find, that is truly zero carb is Nature's Best Isopure Zero Carb Whey Protein Isolate.
You will have a hard time exceeding maximum protein allowed on a keto diet. It's a very high protein/high fat science. However, it is said that it is possible to overdo the protein, yet I know nothing about that. That's never happened for me. Get a second opinion. Here's a good keto calculator for determining your macros:
http://keto-calculator.ankerl.comGo with God.
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Found the exact same article here http://josepharcita.blogspot.co.uk/2...o-ketosis.html
Same person?
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04-07-2014, 03:27 AM #403
Those strips, I used to have some but I think they went bad cos they don't even change colour anymore or react.
I guess they work by determing the ph of your urine though right? I have a ph tester in the garage so my question is.........
Can you tell if you are in ketosis using a stadard ph tester and if so what is the ideal ph number?***TEAM REDRAIDER86***
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04-12-2014, 04:22 PM #407
I have easy@home 10 parameter strips and pH is one of the parameters. pH; composition = methyl red sodium salt bromthymol blue.
But the ketone parameter composition = sodium nitroprusside.
So, it looks like they're not assuming ketone level with a pH test in my strips. But, one problem with ketosis is pH balance of urine, so ... there's that.
They go bad when exposed to light (sun) and heat/humidity causes them to go bad before their expiration date.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...?ie=UTF8&psc=1
12 cents a strip and they test for 10 things. Mine work well.Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in.
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05-06-2014, 05:28 PM #409
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5E. Is it best to bulk on keto or on a normal diet?
I can personally not come up with a reason why anyone would want to revert back to a glycolytic metabolism in order to gain muscle besides that it might be easier to consume a calorie surplus since fats are very filling. If you like the idea of ridding yourself of excess fat while you gain muscle then probably keto is right for you. Ketosis has also been shown to increase testosterone levels which would of course be conducive to a muscle-building regimine. The ultimate decision is up to you though, because as far as I know a glycolytic metabolism is actually perfectly capable of building muscle-mass just as well as a ketogenic metabolism does, so it doesn't really matter.
Basically it's saying if I'm in a caloric surplus but I'm still getting the 60% fat, 35% protein, 5% carbohydrates and staying in ketosis , I can bulk while cutting?
Would I have to get in ketosis immediately or could I start right now and just start eating tons of fat and protein = my L.B.M. and low carbs = more muscle & less body fat??The journey toward perfection is ALWAYS a path of successes AND failures.
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So, I started Keto yesterday... I had done a diet in 2010 called "Green Paper" diet which was a variation of ketosis. I was unable to stick to it.
I decided to start Keto again and this time commit to it, because I am at a forever plateau... I cannot get under 217lbs. The end goal for me is weight loss and strength. I'd like to ideally be 125lbs by Jan 17th 2015. My understanding of Keto is LOW carb as in under 20g, high protein, and no sugar or little at all. I also understand you can subtract fiber from the carb intake, is this correct? I guess my next question should be how much protein is normal? How much is good? I have been getting between 90-125g of protein. But I am also under 20g of carbs, and 60-70g of fat. I am also a runner, and am training for a 5K in September. So I run 2 miles every other day, with goal of 2 miles in 15-16 minutes tops, and I am apart of a squat challenge. So my understanding is naturally, I will need more protein, correct? Lastly, I am in this gosh darn brain fog. I feel "odd" as in I feel kinda awake but sleepy, and I have a headache. How long do these typically last? Can I expect 30 days of this? Or does each person vary. Apologies, I read through the above and it was good info, but I want to understand.
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05-29-2014, 05:08 PM #417
Hey,
I'm looking for some guidance.
I just started my first day of what I believe to be keto.
My stats:
Weight - 245
BF: 33%
Height - 6 Feet
Age - 30
Calorie Intake - 1816
Fats - 86g (43%)
Protein 212g (48%)
Carbs - 40g - 15g fiber= 25g
Meal Plan:
1)Protein Shake w/ natural P.B., Flax and Chia seeds
2)1/4 cup Almonds
3)133g Tuna w/ red kidney beans and 1 cup spinach
50g Cheese
4)2 Chicken breasts w/ 60g Cheese
5)Protein Shake
Will I achieve ketosis? Do I need more fat? If yes, suggestions? I'm trying hard to drop fat but gain muscle. I go to the gym six days a week for HIIT cardio and do full body weight training 3 of those days as well. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you all!
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05-29-2014, 06:13 PM #418
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60% of calories from fat
35% from protein
5% from carbohydrates
If you wish to keep the same amount of calories you need more fat. I suggest getting rid of the shakes and replacing them with something high in fat, medium in protein and no carbohydrates like eggs/nuts.
Another option is to get rid of chicken breast & tuna as they tend to be on the lean side and get a fattier meat like some 80/20 hamburger.
Your diet isn't bad by any means, it's just not keto.The journey toward perfection is ALWAYS a path of successes AND failures.
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06-01-2014, 06:17 PM #419
Yes you need more fat, like said 60-35-5 seems to be a good estimation. Fats are easy I'm sure you can find tons of foods on the forum but also a lot from oils. Not sure if 1/4 of almonds is an ideal meal but almonds are good on keto. Ditch the kidney beans in my opinion and get something fatty in there. At 245 I hope 1816 is not making you starve because those cals seem a little low, you don't want a drastic caloric deficit to start a diet of any kind. Start slow and increase over time if necessary seeing how you feel and how your body reacts.
If your looking for more Keto based foods just read the forums on Keto diet samples and food plans there is everything there. And as far as dropping fat and adding muscle I'm sorry but it's a lot easier said than done. Your 33% BF you should focus on losing BF and trying to preserve as much muscle as you can, but either way any caloric deficit is catabolic
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06-04-2014, 07:39 PM #420
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