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    Originally Posted by PinchTheBear View Post
    Please don't ever get your nutrition/physiology science from Lyle McDonald.
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    Why do I feel like you and I are the only people who know this...
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    Good idea but people don't bother reading stuff like this.
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    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    Ah, good thread. I added it to my list for people who have questions about when they might want to take aminos. Haven't updated the first post here yet though.



    Originally Posted by EntropyIncrease View Post
    Im tired of people asking about cyclic keto diets. I got all my info that I used for my cuts here

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/tra...rmance-qa.html

    yes I read andy's keto link to lyle's article as well, but I think its still warranted as good info for those that wont change

    edit: also didnt realize the study was straight ketogenic low carb and not cyclic. this article still has a place
    Hmm. I'll have to look it over and see what others says. Seems Pinch isn't very fond of it. I'm busy for the next few hours, but will check it out in a bit.


    Originally Posted by Synapsin View Post
    Good idea but people don't bother reading stuff like this.
    Perhaps not, but if a few of the more knowledgeable people at least have it handy they can link others to the appropriate stuff perhaps. I can hope anyhow

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    In on 2nd page of epic thread





    This?

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8828669



    The "higher dose" reference is to someone taking 20g a day.

    Nice. Will temporarily add it to my list, but if you happen to stumble across anyone discussing this study that would be even better. I like linking to descriptions of studies since some people get lost trying to read the abstracts or studies themselves. I'll see if I can't find some more info myself later.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Perhaps not, but if a few of the more knowledgeable people at least have it handy they can link others to the appropriate stuff perhaps. I can hope anyhow

    Btw, took Focus XT tonight and loved it! Tasted like candy too.
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    Originally Posted by EntropyIncrease View Post
    Im tired of people asking about cyclic keto diets. I got all my info that I used for my cuts here

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/tra...rmance-qa.html

    yes I read andy's keto link to lyle's article as well, but I think its still warranted as good info for those that wont change

    edit: also didnt realize the study was straight ketogenic low carb and not cyclic. this article still has a place
    Doesn't this article basically say that cyclic keto diets aren't good and that keto diets in general aren't good? What I took from it was, maybe there is a way to tweak keto diets so they don't suck... but they haven't really verified any of it and most likely they won't be all that great.
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    Oh the how is ultima nonstim needs to be on here same with the x factor thread in thr science section
    I don't have to many threads on individual products. The ultima one is potentially worth it for bits and pieces of it on vitamins/etc. But I'm not sure. Not familiar with the x-factor thread.
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    I don't have to many threads on individual products. The ultima one is potentially worth it for bits and pieces of it on vitamins/etc. But I'm not sure. Not familiar with the x-factor thread.
    Ill put the xfactor thread in my nexy class lol


    And dr p's thread about inducing hypoxia to make better use of nitrates is a good read

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    Originally Posted by Hyruliangoat View Post
    Ill put the xfactor thread in my nexy class lol


    And dr p's thread about inducing hypoxia to make better use of nitrates is a good read

    Same wjtg no hypes thrrad on supps to help dementia
    That no hype thread would prob be a good one, I've actually not read it yet but I've seen people discussing it. Will have to find it.
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    Awesome link! Wish I had seen that before. I added it to the 2nd post.
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    Adding the Icariin / Nootropic links. I realized most of my supp links previously were for supps which sucked. It's definitely a good idea to have links for those that work too. Perhaps I need to make three categories in the future:

    Bad Supps, Good Supps, Questionable Supps


    As to the Nitrates study, I'm trying to mostly link to threads about topics rather than hard studies. It'd be very easy to link to a study that'd make people think arginine is good, but if it was linked to a discussion on arg people would quickly point out that oral arginine supp is nearly worthless (for most purposes people use it for). Also, by linking to a discussion, lots of studies can be linked in that discussion and they can be analyzed a bit for people.

    But I'm all for a nitrate link if there are any good ones available. Perhaps even one of the initial C-Bol threads which Dr.P, No hype, and others participated in would fit the bill.


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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Adding the Icariin / Nootropic links. I realized most of my supp links previously were for supps which sucked. It's definitely a good idea to have links for those that work too. Perhaps I need to make three categories in the future:

    Bad Supps, Good Supps, Questionable Supps


    As to the Nitrates study, I'm trying to mostly link to threads about topics rather than hard studies. It'd be very easy to link to a study that'd make people think arginine is good, but if it was linked to a discussion on arg people would quickly point out that oral arginine supp is nearly worthless (for most purposes people use it for). Also, by linking to a discussion, lots of studies can be linked in that discussion and they can be analyzed a bit for people.

    But I'm all for a nitrate link if there are any good ones available. Perhaps even one of the initial C-Bol threads which Dr.P, No hype, and others participated in would fit the bill.




    If anyone else has more experience on this site let me know if they think it's a good link. I've honestly not been there much previously and as I've said, I'm trying to link mostly to direcy discussions of topics. Though I do think links to articles by AA, etc are good. So I'll check the page out more myself as well. But I don't want people to have to dig through entire websites, would love for the info to be right in front of them immediately when clicking a link.


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    The guy from the leangains website is the most knowledgable about IF of anybody in the industry currently. MOST of is science is sound...he does kind of skew a few studies here and there in his favor of marketing his training campaign..but I recommend anybody who wants to start IF to that site. It's the only haven to really figure out what you wanna do. He offers several different options for IF.
    Thanks for the added info on the site.


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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Doesn't this article basically say that cyclic keto diets aren't good and that keto diets in general aren't good? What I took from it was, maybe there is a way to tweak keto diets so they don't suck... but they haven't really verified any of it and most likely they won't be all that great.
    basically says cyclic and straight KLC diets suck for high performance athletes (who mainly depend on the glycogen stores for energy)

    Some low performance athletes saw slight improvements or no change in endurance (he 'cited' Phinney's article; abstract below)

    Abstract

    Impaired physical performance is a common but not obligate result of a low carbohydrate diet. Lessons from traditional Inuit culture indicate that time for adaptation, optimized sodium and potassium nutriture, and constraint of protein to 15–25 % of daily energy expenditure allow unimpaired endurance performance despite nutritional ketosis.
    Stephen D Phinney, Nutrition & Metabolism 2004, 1:2

    paper found here: http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/1/1/2

    And that doesnt include cyclic ketosis. Honestly I haven't looked at most of these studies since I finished my cut last may, so I'm probably lacking in my knowledge.

    also I havent read that article in its entirety yet so I dont know its usefulness as of yet. I have to get ready for class tho. I'll check back here tonight
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    Originally Posted by EntropyIncrease View Post
    basically says cyclic and straight KLC diets suck for high performance athletes (who mainly depend on the glycogen stores for energy)

    Some low performance athletes saw slight improvements or no change in endurance (he 'cited' Phinney's article; abstract below)
    So the point of it was that people shouldn't bother with these sorts of diets, right?
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    So the point of it was that people shouldn't bother with these sorts of diets, right?
    ooo that's what you were asking

    yeah lol, it's garbage.

    I also remember hearing that being in ketosis for a long period of time affects the acidity of your blood (in a bad way) but I don't remember the specifics.

    I think that's where the whole cyclic diet idea came from but I honestly have no clue
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    Shadar,

    When do you think you will be going on a "BULK DIET" ???? Just saying

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    So the point of it was that people shouldn't bother with these sorts of diets, right?
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    Originally Posted by EntropyIncrease View Post
    ooo that's what you were asking

    yeah lol, it's garbage.

    I also remember hearing that being in ketosis for a long period of time affects the acidity of your blood (in a bad way) but I don't remember the specifics.

    I think that's where the whole cyclic diet idea came from but I honestly have no clue
    Ok, just making sure! For some reason I was thinking you were supporting Ketogenic diets, lol. I was confused by the link because of that


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    Shadar,

    When do you think you will be going on a "BULK DIET" ???? Just saying
    Right about the time your average post resembles that of a sane human with a functioning brain.



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    I have some fun reading.

    same link btw. intended or not im going to cook supper =P
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