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    Long term use of preworkouts without a break

    Hello,

    I am currently slightly addicted to Hemo Rage UC and besides rare 4-5 day breaks from being sick, I have been using this product before every workout (4-5 days a week) for the past ~75 days.

    I am just wondering what damages this product will have if not cycled perfectly?
    The box mentions CNS problems and I was wondering what kinds?

    I am looking for someone with experience in taking pre workouts for more than 6-8 weeks without the required 1-2 week break?

    Please dont reply with the "derrrrr take a break yo". I understand what I'm doing isn't right, but I am looking for experienced advice.

    Thanks
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    I pretty much have used a pre w/o since last May consistently. About 5 days a week. I rarely have taken a break off of them except maybe a couple days. Granted I don't dose them at their highest dosages, and I'm completely fine and still get energy off of all of them. I do rotate them though, went from jack3d, SP max, assault, white flood, 1mr etc. I will probably take a stim break in a couple weeks though finally.
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    I notice after about 2-3 months of constantly taking pre-workouts i tend to lose the effects of them, I like to cycle 2 months on and 1 month off. If I can go 1 month off without losing any strength I know im doing pretty good cause when I get back on ill gain some more.
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    You will most likely become used to them and have to keep bumping the dose. Prolonged usage of heavy stims may be hard on the heart, although I have no evidence to prove it and I could be passing on broscience
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    Blows my mind that anyone would consistently use a stim-based product consecutively for longer then 4-6 weeks MAX. You must take time off.

    Time on = Time off.
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    There is no such thing as adrenal fatigue, however, your body will eventually develop a tolerance to products like caffeine, etc, and you will have to increase the dose in order to achieve the effects that a smaller amount once elicited.

    Take a month off and adjust your diet so that your workouts don't suffer. When you resume taking your Homo-Rage, the effects will be more pronounced and you will likely be able to halve the dosage you were once taking.
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    I am currently taking a month off of stims...Ive been on them for a while.
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    Originally Posted by stevietd14 View Post
    Hello,

    I am currently slightly addicted to Hemo Rage UC and besides rare 4-5 day breaks from being sick, I have been using this product before every workout (4-5 days a week) for the past ~75 days.

    I am just wondering what damages this product will have if not cycled perfectly?
    The box mentions CNS problems and I was wondering what kinds?

    I am looking for someone with experience in taking pre workouts for more than 6-8 weeks without the required 1-2 week break?

    Please dont reply with the "derrrrr take a break yo". I understand what I'm doing isn't right, but I am looking for experienced advice.

    Thanks
    I was talking to a REP @ Vitamin Shoppe and he was talking about 1 month on 1 month off stimms or at least pre-workouts with creatine
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    hemo rage

    Originally Posted by stevietd14 View Post
    Hello,

    I am currently slightly addicted to Hemo Rage UC and besides rare 4-5 day breaks from being sick, I have been using this product before every workout (4-5 days a week) for the past ~75 days.

    I am just wondering what damages this product will have if not cycled perfectly?
    The box mentions CNS problems and I was wondering what kinds?

    I am looking for someone with experience in taking pre workouts for more than 6-8 weeks without the required 1-2 week break?

    Please dont reply with the "derrrrr take a break yo". I understand what I'm doing isn't right, but I am looking for experienced advice.

    Thanks
    ive been using hemo rage for probly 3 months-2months straight with no two week rest 3 days or 4 i havnt had it at the most. its the first pre workout ive had. im starting to feel heaps spaced out after my workout and forget stuff with usualy a headache. its very hard to do weights and to have energy without using it now im starting to rely on it to get my through. so i think the two week rest is a must so you dont get hooked on it a rely on it to get you through because before i didnt use any pre workout and my energy was high n motivation high but after using hemo rage and not having when i work out its very hard personaly for me.
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    Adrenal fatigue is way overblown and likely doesn't exist, along with many other overexaggerated bodybuilding stigmas..

    OP, take Starkk's advice. If you feel that you're need more and more to reap the same effects, it might be time to take a couple weeks off to lower your tolerance.

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    1. OP uses Hemo-Rage. That should be enough for everyone to realize he is beyond hope.

    2. This thread is old, he likely no longer even posts. I see it's been well over a month since he has logged in.

    3. Judging from his post, he's not going to heed any worthwhile advice, so don't waste your bandwidth replying.
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    I know this thread is old...but I'd like to see some evidence from those who advise others to take long breaks from stims, such as a whole month. Where are the studies? Your anecdotes are not enough. From studying human physiology, I see no reason to take such a long break from stims...but if there is actual evidence, I will reconsider my ways.
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    Originally Posted by ToriAletheia View Post
    I know this thread is old...but I'd like to see some evidence from those who advise others to take long breaks from stims, such as a whole month. Where are the studies? Your anecdotes are not enough. From studying human physiology, I see no reason to take such a long break from stims...but if there is actual evidence, I will reconsider my ways.



    There is no studies. Just that if you are having to take 5 scoops of Hemo Rage UC to feel the effects you should consider laying off the stims for a little while.


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    There is no studies. Just that if you are having to take 5 scoops of Hemo Rage UC to feel the effects you should consider laying off the stims for a little while.


    Too much of anything is not good.
    Yes...a LITTLE while I understand...however the people who do it for a whole month, even 2 weeks, I don't understand. After a little while, there is no further benefit.
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    Originally Posted by ToriAletheia View Post
    Yes...a LITTLE while I understand...however the people who do it for a whole month, even 2 weeks, I don't understand. After a little while, there is no further benefit.


    I know of a few people that feel better when they don't use stims and then there are people like me, who have a very low tolerance to them, I can use them 4-5 days a week and not build any sort of tolerance.


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    Originally Posted by stevietd14 View Post
    Hello,

    I am currently slightly addicted to Hemo Rage UC and besides rare 4-5 day breaks from being sick, I have been using this product before every workout (4-5 days a week) for the past ~75 days.

    I am just wondering what damages this product will have if not cycled perfectly?
    The box mentions CNS problems and I was wondering what kinds?

    I am looking for someone with experience in taking pre workouts for more than 6-8 weeks without the required 1-2 week break?

    Please dont reply with the "derrrrr take a break yo". I understand what I'm doing isn't right, but I am looking for experienced advice.

    Thanks
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    Realistically, most people probably won't notice anything beyond stimulant de-sensitivity in the short-term. You may find yourself using a greater and greater number of scoops, but the chances of you dropping dead are slim (assuming that you have no pre-existing issues).

    HOWEVER, there are science-based suggestions that long-term use could be a health risk, especially if you're one of those people who never takes a break and ends up consistently taking 2x or 3x the recommended amount. Remember, you're taking a CNS stimulant. It does a heck of a lot more than make you feel good when you workout.

    My opinion: either use caffeine moderately or take breaks. Also, herbal sources tend to be more "forgiving" for some people.
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    I think a month is excessive and 2 weeks is more than enough in my experience.
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    Do coffee drinkers take a break from coffee? When cycling off pwo's it's because of the stims - right? Is taking a stimulated pre workout before your workout any different than drinking coffee everyday? I am going under the assumption of somebody in my situation that does not drink coffee or other caffeinated drinks and takes his PWO on lifting days 3-4 days a week. Although I have only been taking PWO's for a couple of months, I do not plan on cycling off - convince me otherwise.
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    Originally Posted by Ryan314 View Post
    Blows my mind that anyone would consistently use a stim-based product consecutively for longer then 4-6 weeks MAX. You must take time off.

    Time on = Time off.
    i want to take a break from my pre workout stims- what can i take instead while i cycle off? looking for something to help the pump & keep me enregized- energized being the most important. thx if you have any suggestions
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    Do coffee drinkers take a break from coffee? When cycling off pwo's it's because of the stims - right? Is taking a stimulated pre workout before your workout any different than drinking coffee everyday? I am going under the assumption of somebody in my situation that does not drink coffee or other caffeinated drinks and takes his PWO on lifting days 3-4 days a week. Although I have only been taking PWO's for a couple of months, I do not plan on cycling off - convince me otherwise.
    because there is a lot more than just caffeine in most pre-workouts. Long term effects of 1,3D aren't known..I wouldn't want to risk something like that. I'm personally even a bit worried about really long term use of L-tyrosine as it's related to L-DOPA and have seen excess use linked to some nasty effects like decreasing serotonin synthesis IIRC

    I just feel it's in the consumers best interest to cycle everything.

    If you still want to "take" something pre-workout, you can look into PUMP-BOL or stimulant free body octane. They both contain ingredients that are actually shown to provide benefit over just stimming you up for a few hours.
    Realize that anyone with an affiliation to a supplement company in their signature has ulterior motives when making recommendations. They're primarily concerned with pushing their products. Not your safety or what's best for you.
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    long term preworkout with out a break

    i’ve been using preworkout since last 2 years constantly and i’ve some mild change in my uric acid and some other change in my liver which can be recovered with in few months doc advice me to take less protein and for liv52 tablets and livrol.
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