Speed work is useless waste of time

[Heavy_Beats]

Sheiko programs do not have speed work.

Discuss.

[Link815]

Sheiko programs do not have speed work.

Discuss.

Up to this point in my career, I agree. Though I do not use Sheiko.

[TrettinR]

My speed work = my warm-up sets.

[Cstreck]

Speed pulls on coan philipi helped me tremendously it all depends on the person

[KevinAlvarez123]

depends what you consider speed work imo

[JacobRothenberg]

ur a ***, if you spent less time on the internet and lifted some weights youd be making progress by now

[blastbeats_stl]

speed work for bench is what slowly ****ed up my shoulder

[notsostrong]

itt: fat weak kid complains about being fat and weak

[IAmBatman]

itt: fat weak kid complains about being fat and weak

Are those lifts in your sig geared or raw?

[Cstreck]

ur a ***, if you spent less time on the internet and lifted some weights youd be making progress by now

But , but how am i going to show people i'm super hardcorez powerlifter ?

[LongtimeLurkr]

Sheiko programs do not have speed work.

Discuss.

The first thing that came to mind when I hovered over your post link is: can you even total 5x bw raw?

As another poster said, I think it depends on exactly what you consider speed work.

[batmanman]

speed work has only helped on deads, a very small amount, was most likely from the volume and not the speed

[koyongi]

Sheiko incorporates lunges and pec flies.

Lunges and pec flies are the key to a huge total.

Discuss.

[Ka0s]

Sheiko incorporates lunges and pec flies.

Lunges and pec flies are the key to a huge total.

Discuss.

Yes.

[Jason2459]

Sheiko incorporates lunges and pec flies.

Lunges and pec flies are the key to a huge total.

Discuss.

I believe the pec flie was the success to my OHP

[Newbtime]

My speed work = my warm-up sets.

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[Squinky]

Sheiko incorporates lunges and pec flies.

Lunges and pec flies are the key to a huge total.

Discuss.

Chest strength is often forgotten factor in the bench. That is the thing that can make the bench fly up. If flies are the best thing for it, lets not go there.

[Big Sexy J]

Sheiko incorporates lunges and pec flies.

Lunges and pec flies are the key to a huge total.

Discuss.

zingggggg

[bigtallox]

Sheiko programs do not have speed work.

Discuss.

Speed work is important. When I was focusing on powerlifting, my training had it built in by having DE days. Now that I train strongman, it's built into my training but in a more subtle but just as important way, i.e. by training strongman events ( they're timed speed matters and is always a goal ). I don't know anything about sheiko, maybe speed work can't be incorporated some way, if not I'd look for something else personally, but my goals might be unique around here.

[bigbawlsy]

didnt coan endorse and do sh*t tons of speed work?

[ByronOrpheus]

didnt coan endorse and do sh*t tons of speed work?

Yup, and Zatsiorsky, which is where Louie Simmons got the idea from (I think, don't quote me on that). Smolov also has a dedicated period of speed training. Some people can probably get away without training speed, I recall Kroc saying he never needed it, people who generally train like they're coked out probably don't need it (LIME ).

I'm guessing most people, at some point in their lifting career, will greatly benefit from training for speed, especially if they've never done it before. Sh!t, I'm a noob but my deadlift could probably use some speed work, anything over 75% moves slow as hell for me.

Edit: Also, aren't all of Shiekos sets fairly submaximal? I thought it was kind of implied that the reason for that is so you can do every rep with good form and speed.

[hashi]

Speed work without a doubt is very useful for explosiveness (sport specific), but in does not translate very well to maximal strength, because generally you arent going to try to lift something heavy slowly. It goes into a huge amount of detail on this topic in the book super training.

Speed work is effective for developing power, peak power though is displayed 50-60% where as at 100% power drops to 50% and time to execute the lift is increased by 280% (Super training)

[Heavy_Beats]

Edit: Also, aren't all of Shiekos sets fairly submaximal? I thought it was kind of implied that the reason for that is so you can do every rep with good form and speed.

They are submaximal but there are a lot of sets eventually it becomes a grind.

In this podcast Eric Talmant talks about speed training being not as important (or useful at all in his experience) for powerlifting as compared to weightlifting (9:10 to 16:22): http://powerliftingcast.com/?p=15

He says that increasing limit strength increases speed strength but not the other way around with regards to a powerlifts.

This is similar to a point made by Joe Defranco about power cleans "Getting stronger in the deadlift, reverse hyper & glute-ham raise will improve your power clean, but it doesn’t work the other way around." http://www.defrancostraining.com/ask...htm#question02

Does sheiko programs make you strong but slow or fast and strong...? Should Boris Sheiko use more speed work so his lifters can be more successful in powerlifting? Does speed work even matter?

[Heavy_Beats]

Speed work without a doubt is very useful for explosiveness (sport specific), but in does not translate very well to maximal strength, because generally you arent going to try to lift something heavy slowly. It goes into a huge amount of detail on this topic in the book super training.

Speed work is effective for developing power, peak power though is displayed 50-60% where as at 100% power drops to 50% and time to execute the lift is increased by 280% (Super training)

I think this is pretty close to the point Eric Talmant was making, you can get faster lifting 50% but it won't carry over to 100% lifts.

[mallow]

I think this is pretty close to the point Eric Talmant was making, you can get faster lifting 50% but it won't carry over to 100% lifts.

In bench press for example, the faster you start the more likely it is that you will push through sticking point. Speed and explosiveness is important.

[Phedder]

In bench press for example, the faster you start the more likely it is that you will push through sticking point. Speed and explosiveness is important.

No one is speedy and explosive with a max bench though. If they are, it's not a max.

[mallow]

No one is speedy and explosive with a max bench though. If they are, it's not a max.

In the bottom of bench you can if you have good technique, use properly leg drive for example etc. It is even more true when using bench shirt, shirt gives some assistance in the bottom. Look IPF WC from youtube, usually lifters start fast when benching, even with max lifts.

[hashi]

In the bottom of bench you can if you have good technique, use properly leg drive for example etc. It is even more true when using bench shirt, shirt gives some assistance in the bottom. Look IPF WC from youtube, usually lifters start fast when benching, even with max lifts.

Thats because everyone tries to do maximal attempts FAST and with speed. It does not mean that speed training that is usually done at 50-70% will translate into adding to that development on a maximal lift. The reason why the press fast or squat fast or deadlift fast is to get past there sticking points sure, but its not the speed work that added to that, its the fact that trying to lift something heavy as fast possible is obviously going to be easier than lifting it slow.

[Phedder]

In the bottom of bench you can if you have good technique, use properly leg drive for example etc. It is even more true when using bench shirt, shirt gives some assistance in the bottom. Look IPF WC from youtube, usually lifters start fast when benching, even with max lifts.

Sorry, I was referring to the whole range of motion, and raw lifting. How is being able to blast through your sticking point with 50-70% going to help you when you hit that sticking point at 100%?

[Pincegordo]

Doing speed work for squats helped me put 200 pounds on my single ply squat in a year. I think it works. However, I think it sucks for benching.