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    DAA and Chest Pain???

    Anybody experience chest pain with D Aspartic Acid? I am taking it now and I am on day 9 and I have had chest pains ever since I started taking it
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    i had massive migrains taking it.
    Its a cancer to your body, discontinue use and toss it.
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    Originally Posted by ShayZ View Post
    Its a cancer to your body, discontinue use and toss it.
    care to elaborate???
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    Originally Posted by SWOLERTHANYOU View Post
    Anybody experience chest pain with D Aspartic Acid? I am taking it now and I am on day 9 and I have had chest pains ever since I started taking it
    Why are you still taking it? Stop.
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    Originally Posted by gymrat53 View Post
    care to elaborate???
    did you miss the part of how i got massive migraines or how this guy has chest pains?
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    i had a couple headaches on it, but dunno if it was from that, as for chest pain none.
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Why are you still taking it? Stop.
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Why are you still taking it? Stop.
    Hey whats your opinion on DAA in general?
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    Originally Posted by ShayZ View Post
    i had massive migrains taking it.
    Its a cancer to your body, discontinue use and toss it.
    Care to show any proof of that?

    I took bulk daa for a month and was fine i really liked it actually.
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    Originally Posted by Eshamed51 View Post
    Care to show any proof of that?

    I took bulk daa for a month and was fine i really liked it actually.
    I've been on TF2 for a week, no nasty sides at all. Seems mostly anecdotal to me...
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    Originally Posted by PeanutButterBan View Post
    I've been on TF2 for a week, no nasty sides at all. Seems mostly anecdotal to me...
    Agree I'm a huge fan of DAA especially TF2, get a great sense of well being...(from the increase in test Im assuming), as well as decent strength gains.
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    Originally Posted by ShayZ View Post
    i had massive migrains taking it.
    Its a cancer to your body, discontinue use and toss it.
    It's one thing to say this product didn't work for me or i got side effects. But to say its a cancer to the body i think especially from someone who is a rep is irresponsible.

    I have friends and family who have died from cancer it's not a word to just throw around because you don't like a certain supplement.
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    Originally Posted by savicki View Post
    Hey whats your opinion on DAA in general?
    I have a hard time understanding why it is anyone would want to use it. Based on the blood work that I have seen (posted below) estrogen is increased about the same or more then testosterone is. Not only is the t:e ratio worse then it was prior to use, Ive seen more then a few people posting say they are having terrible headaches, chest pain, symptoms of gyno and one guy said he felt as though his short term memory wasnt as good.

    Not only are there supplements available that will raise testosterone higher and faster but will also lower estrogen or at the very least improve upon the t:e ratio. I dont understand what the benefit is or why someone would want to use DAA?

    This guy is 30% above the max "normal" level of estrogen or double the avg of the range.

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    Hey guys,

    Looking to get some feedback and help, I ran D-Asparic along with BioForge for 30 days and 3 weeks after the end of the stack I did blood test and this is what came out:

    T4 Free - 17 pmol/L (ref 10-22)
    T3 Free - 4.9 pmol/L (ref 3.3-6)
    S-Ostradiol - 197 pmol/L (ref 43-151)
    S-Testosterone, bioactive - 14 nmol/L (2.7-21.7)
    S-Testosterone - 35 nmol/L (10-35)
    S-SHBG 57 (13-71) nmol/L

    What will be good legal alternatives to control Ostradiol which is waaaaaaaay over the board right now.
    Although you may look at test subject 2 and think its great that his test went up 110% but youll notice its still BELOW even the lowest value for the normal range. His estrogen went up 145%. His t:e ratio is worse then when he started and his estrogen went up higher then his testosterone which still isnt even at the normal level.

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    Subject #2

    Subject 2 is a successful competitive natural bodybuilder. He took 1 tub of Testforce Two as directed for 19 days.

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    Post Testforce Two:

    Test subject 3, his testosterone went up 10% and his estrogen went up 12%. His t:e ratio is worse then prior to taking the DAA and his estrogen went up more then his testosterone did.

    Originally Posted by henryv View Post
    Subject #3

    Subject 3 is also a successful competitive natural bodybuilder who took 1 tub of Testforce as directed for 19 days.

    Pre Testforce:



    Post Testforce:

    This user his testosterone went up 20% and his estrogen went up 22%. Again t:e ratio is worse and estrogen is increased more then testosterone did. Also both his AST and ALT values increased significantly.
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    I ran Testforce at 6g per day for 8 days and 3g a day for the last week. I only got 23 total scoops so the product must have settled, as I measured level scoops. Regardless, I got the total 90g of DAA in the 15 days.

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    If my math is correct that is about a 19.8% increase in testosterone from two weeks prior.

    On a side note: my AST went from 42 to 89 on a 1-40 scale:ipitythefool: My ALT went from 35 to 49 (0-55). I'm not sure what to make of this or what it could be from. Any input is appreciated.
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    I have a hard time understanding why it is anyone would want to use it.
    What if someone were to stack DAA with triazole or another AI do you think it would keep estrogen in check and be worthwhile?
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    Sledge certainly isn't wrong. But I do enjoy TF2. I experienced good recovery and strength gains while using, but(apparently an isolated case) I experienced an excessive hike in prolactin that hurt my libido. L-Dopa solved that relatively quickly.

    Couple headaches, but can't say for sure it was the DAA. Nothing else to say, really.
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    Originally Posted by Eshamed51 View Post
    What if someone were to stack DAA with triazole or another AI do you think it would keep estrogen in check and be worthwhile?
    Undesirable, or underwhelming results have been noted from the combination. Not sure why, or if it was also isolated.
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    I've been taking nolva from a friend now at 40mg a week and was gonna do the 40/40/20/20 thing. But my nipple is still leaking something.
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    Originally Posted by Eshamed51 View Post
    What if someone were to stack DAA with triazole or another AI do you think it would keep estrogen in check and be worthwhile?
    I think that makes more sense then using DAA alone. It seems pretty obvious looking at all of the blood work that estrogen is increasing too much.
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    Sledge certainly isn't wrong. But I do enjoy TF2. I experienced good recovery and strength gains while using, but(apparently an isolated case) I experienced an excessive hike in prolactin that hurt my libido. L-Dopa solved that relatively quickly.

    Couple headaches, but can't say for sure it was the DAA. Nothing else to say, really.
    Maybe something like ACTX is the better choice, you keep estrogen lowered / in check plus you get the L-dopa.

    Either way I wouldnt use it without something that lowers estrogen.
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Maybe something like ACTX is the better choice, you keep estrogen lowered / in check plus you get the L-dopa.

    Either way I wouldnt use it without something that lowers estrogen.
    Through my readings, I've observed that hyperprolactinemia can be linked to decreased testicular mass and test output. Your suggestion seems to follow this.
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    Originally Posted by ShayZ View Post
    did you miss the part of how i got massive migraines or how this guy has chest pains?
    Thats fine but to call it a cancer because you had undesirable side effects is borderline retarded.
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    I always use DAA during PCT. But then again I am taking a SERM so that would keep the extra estrogen from binding to it's receptors.

    I have taken DAA as a solo as well and had pretty good results with it. I was taking the Sodium D-Aspartate version of DAA which is supposed to be more bioavailable then typical DAA. I had no estrogen related issues but I did have Testosterone related side effects. I had acne on my back. The only time I get acne on my back is when I'm using Testosterone on cycle. That coupled with the 1/4" inch gained on my arms and 4 pounds in about 20 days I'd have to say that it seems to work pretty well for me in regards to boosting my test levels.

    Of course this is based on empirical evidence but I'm a natural skeptic and not prone to psychosomatic tendancies. And let's not forget the scale and tape measure don't lie.
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    I always use DAA during PCT. But then again I am taking a SERM so that would keep the extra estrogen from binding to it's receptors.

    I have taken DAA as a solo as well and had pretty good results with it. I was taking the Sodium D-Aspartate version of DAA which is supposed to be more bioavailable then typical DAA. I had no estrogen related issues but I did have Testosterone related side effects. I had acne on my back. The only time I get acne on my back is when I'm using Testosterone on cycle. That coupled with the 1/4" inch gained on my arms and 4 pounds in about 20 days I'd have to say that it seems to work pretty well for me in regards to boosting my test levels.

    Of course this is based on empirical evidence but I'm a natural skeptic and not prone to psychosomatic tendancies. And let's not forget the scale and tape measure don't lie.
    I have a feeling that DAA will end up being tops in the natural test booster category. Preliminary signs show it to have the sides of test increase and the results from people taking it seem to be more solid than the typical placebo results from many other "boosters."
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    Fml

    Started taking DAA 3g a day 6 days ago...on top my my current stack which includes about a 350mg/d dose of 11 oxo.....anyhow..

    I just noticed a pea-sized painful lump under my right nipple.


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    Originally Posted by PieEyedPiper View Post
    Sledge certainly isn't wrong. But I do enjoy TF2. I experienced good recovery and strength gains while using, but(apparently an isolated case) I experienced an excessive hike in prolactin that hurt my libido. L-Dopa solved that relatively quickly.

    Couple headaches, but can't say for sure it was the DAA. Nothing else to say, really.
    Curious what you dosed the L-dopa at? I've also been running L-dopa with my TF2 as suggested on a couple threads around here at 3 caps a day (2 AM 1 PM) roughly 180mg a day (NOW 15% L-dopa).
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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    Maybe something like ACTX is the better choice, you keep estrogen lowered / in check plus you get the L-dopa.

    Either way I wouldnt use it without something that lowers estrogen.
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    Originally Posted by Eshamed51 View Post
    Care to show any proof of that?

    I took bulk daa for a month and was fine i really liked it actually.
    Sldge's Blood works right above. It does more harm than good.
    It's unproven, not enough studies behind it. I have read plenty of people complaining of horrible sides.

    Originally Posted by Eshamed51 View Post
    It's one thing to say this product didn't work for me or i got side effects. But to say its a cancer to the body i think especially from someone who is a rep is irresponsible.

    I have friends and family who have died from cancer it's not a word to just throw around because you don't like a certain supplement.
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    Thats fine but to call it a cancer because you had undesirable side effects is borderline retarded.
    I apologize if I offended you guys calling it a cancer. I used the term is it's secondary definition which is
    "any evil condition or thing that spreads destructively; blight"

    The terms cancer or cancerous are commonly used describe something unpleasant or harmful to oneself. I was simply referring to DAA in that sense.
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    What do you mean exactly by chest pain?

    I've been cycling epistane and everytime I take litup (1 scoop a day) I get chest pain in the middle of the night. Never taking it again while on.
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    Originally Posted by Rhetorician View Post
    Started taking DAA 3g a day 6 days ago...on top my my current stack which includes about a 350mg/d dose of 11 oxo.....anyhow..

    I just noticed a pea-sized painful lump under my right nipple.


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    excuse my ignorance, but isn't 11-oxo hormonal?
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    I have a feeling that DAA will end up being tops in the natural test booster category. Preliminary signs show it to have the sides of test increase and the results from people taking it seem to be more solid than the typical placebo results from many other "boosters."
    There is no chance of this. Based on blood work, meaning using actual science not just "how someone feels when he takes it but doesnt actually get anything tested" its not even close. That would be just looking at testosterone values not the massive increases in estrogen.

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    Originally Posted by Sldge View Post
    There is no chance of this. Based on blood work, meaning using actual science not just "how someone feels when he takes it but doesnt actually get anything tested" its not even close. That would be just looking at testosterone values not the massive increases in estrogen.

    Thank you very much.
    Thanks, i know the difference between clinical studies and peer reviews. You want to talk about blood work and "actual science"? Of the 2 or so blood works i've seen posted, there was a percent testosterone increase of 57% and 110%, the 110% increase was a guy recommended from Layne to do the trial. In the 110% increase his LH and FSH increased 50%. In the US, DAA is in it's infancy. It's not like we have 100 products that use DAA like we have for Fadogia or Divanil or Fenugreek where there is plenty of resluts to look at. But from the one or two products we have, and PAs Testforce getting some amazing results and bloods returned... i have a feeling DAA will end up being in the top tier of natural boosters.
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