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    METHYL 1-D
    LIQUID MASTERDROL
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    *FORMADROL EXTREME
    I havent purchased the formadrol yet untill i find out if i need it from more people... Im 20 have been trainng 4yrs, 5'11, 185, 12%BF.....

    What are your thoughts on the formadrol at end of cycle. Im think 6-OXO at 2 weeks till end of cycle and then formadrol when cycle is completed... Thanks in advance.
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    Theres no real need for 6oxo mate, formadrol contains both a "serm" and an "AI", ruling out the need for 6oxo. It will basically do the same job as Nolva and 6oxo together.
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    Question Methyl1-D

    Have you started the Methyl1-D yet? Is it doing anything for you? Has anyone else had results with this product?
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    Yeah definatly did, I went from 185lbs or so to 196lbs, Strength and weight lifting has increased aswell - Would recomend it if you want a PH with little/no side effects (i had none) and thats relatively safe as far as PH's go.
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    no side effects from methyl 1-d? isnt it a killer on the liver?
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    Originally Posted by 1TAL1ANSTALL1ON View Post
    no side effects from methyl 1-d? isnt it a killer on the liver?
    Not really, dont quote me on this, but It may not be methylated, however I know at its very least its not ANYWHERE near as damaging as superdrol/Methyl1TEST, theres threads on this by legal gear. Plenty of milkthistle, N-Acetly cysteine and Alpha lipoic acid and you will be grand. If you dont drink alchohal, youd prob have a quite few of these cycles to do to catch up
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    heh thats strange. i would think that it would kill every organ in its path with the name "METHYL 1-D", but what confuses me is why would they call it that if it wasnt methylated? whats a safe age to use it? if its not combined with masterdrol would it still require PCT?
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    Originally Posted by 1TAL1ANSTALL1ON View Post
    no side effects from methyl 1-d? isnt it a killer on the liver?
    It is DHEA plus an AI. No methyl there.
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    Originally Posted by 1TAL1ANSTALL1ON View Post
    heh thats strange. i would think that it would kill every organ in its path with the name "METHYL 1-D", but what confuses me is why would they call it that if it wasnt methylated? whats a safe age to use it? if its not combined with masterdrol would it still require PCT?
    Safe age for any/most PH is 21+ basically because your hormones are already reconstructing your body/organs/sexual organs and many other things, a hormone like this can screw you up majorly, possibly irreversably, definatly not recomended, it can stunt your growth and cause gyno aswell, not to mention hormones at an age under 21 or so can cause gyno naturally because the balance is deligate. Wait a few years mate - its not a maturity thing. But yeah M1D alone would require a PCT.

    Originally Posted by Bloute View Post
    It is DHEA plus an AI. No methyl there.
    Aye, theres the answer as to why it aint methylated, was hover about somewhere up there
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    Originally Posted by Bloute View Post
    It is DHEA plus an AI. No methyl there.
    Not just a DHEA plus an AI. I quote from legal gear:

    Meth 1D =

    "It's DHEA Ethyl Ester with compounds that:

    reduce estrogen: "AI"
    reduce DHT: 5aR Inhibitor
    Sulfotransferase Inhibitor
    Glucoronidase Inhibitor
    3bHSD/4-5 Delta Isomerase Upregulator
    Naturally Occuring Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (like tamoxifen)"

    From Legal Gear themselves on http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=legal+gear <--- Really Interesting Read on M1D + Liquid Masterdol

    I guess its interesting because they were supposed to methylate it, but according to the US law, they couldn't so they found a way around it. He says if you have never done a roid/ph cycle then the gains will be amazing, but if you did then your receptors are run down and won't respond as well.

    Cycle looks pretty good, I would take 6-OXO away, Formadrol is more than enough for LG LM +M1D. It is a serm + ai so you get two in one.

    Best of luck.
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    Originally Posted by samsam12341 View Post
    Not just a DHEA plus an AI. I quote from legal gear:

    Meth 1D =

    "It's DHEA Ethyl Ester with compounds that:

    reduce estrogen: "AI"
    reduce DHT: 5aR Inhibitor
    Sulfotransferase Inhibitor
    Glucoronidase Inhibitor
    3bHSD/4-5 Delta Isomerase Upregulator
    Naturally Occuring Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (like tamoxifen)"

    From Legal Gear themselves on http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...ght=legal+gear <--- Really Interesting Read on M1D + Liquid Masterdol

    I guess its interesting because they were supposed to methylate it, but according to the US law, they couldn't so they found a way around it. He says if you have never done a roid/ph cycle then the gains will be amazing, but if you did then your receptors are run down and won't respond as well.

    Cycle looks pretty good, I would take 6-OXO away, Formadrol is more than enough for LG LM +M1D. It is a serm + ai so you get two in one.

    Best of luck.
    Lol, DHEA ethyl ester. I am still waiting to see evidence about this. Is it like 1ad and 4ad new version of DHEA too. Nothing against Eric and Legal Gear here but after a few crappy products(M1A, M1P, Product X) they released in the past I will wait before starting to tell everybody that Methyl-D is a special DHEA form.

    BTW, is it like AA ethyl ester from syntrax ?
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    Originally Posted by Bloute View Post
    Lol, DHEA ethyl ester. I am still waiting to see evidence about this. Is it like 1ad and 4ad new version of DHEA too. Nothing against Eric and Legal Gear here but after a few crappy products(M1A, M1P, Product X) they released in the past I will wait before starting to tell everybody that Methyl-D is a special DHEA form.

    BTW, is it like AA ethyl ester from syntrax ?
    M1A is just as good if not better than M1T... M1P was kind of crappy and far fetched..
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    M1A is just as good if not better than M1T... M1P was kind of crappy and far fetched..
    Yes, compare to M1T, a lot of PS were very good. PP, SD, H-50, Havoc...
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    is vizion a legal gear rep? everytime i see a thread on methyl 1-d, vizion is always there, pimping it.
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    Would you guys recommend working up to a full dose over the week and then working back to the dose you started with. Also should i wait till the end for the formadrol or a week from the end... Thanks


    Methyl 1-D Recommended Use As a dietary supplement for adult males, take 5-6 capsules per day in divided doses 35 minutes before meals. Use for up to 12 weeks.

    *****Methyl 1-D Supplement Facts Serving Size: 1 capsule Servings Per Container: 90 Amount Per Serving Hormonal Optimizer 3-beta-hydroxyetioallocholan-5-ene-17-one 100mg 1,4,6-etioallocholan-dione 4mg Zinc Asparate 5mg Metabolism Complex 105mg Quercetin Beta Sitosterol Milk Thistle




    Liquid Masterdrol Recommendations: Shake well. As a dietary supplement, take 1 serving (8ml) up to twice daily with 20oz of water, approximately 30 minutes before meals and/or exercise. Read the entire label before use and and follow directions. Do not exceed 2 servings per day or 4 weeks continuous use. Do not consume within 4 hours prior to sleep. For best results, consume at least 1g of protein per pound of bodyweight daily.

    ***Liquid Masterdrol Supplement Facts Serving Size: 8 mL (1 spoon equals 4 mL) Servings per Container: 30 Amount Per Serving Prohormone Complex 300mg Epihyroxyetioallocholan-17-one ethyl ester Yohimbine HCL
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    In their ads it says M1D and LM wont cause any hair loss or thinning. From the users of these products (or anyone in the know, for that matter), is this indeed the case?

    Thank you for your help.
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    Originally Posted by Garyboy View Post
    In their ads it says M1D and LM wont cause any hair loss or thinning. From the users of these products (or anyone in the know, for that matter), is this indeed the case?

    Thank you for your help.
    M1D and LM are far too mild to casue any gyno or hair loss.. No methyl substance's can convert to DHT to induce hairloss.
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    Originally Posted by samsam12341 View Post
    M1D and LM are far too mild to casue any gyno or hair loss.. No methyl substance's can convert to DHT to induce hairloss.
    Thanks for the explanation.
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    Not real sure if he's a rep or not.

    I believe Eric is the only Legal Gear rep. He posts under the handle "legal gear".





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    hey

    im a fan of legal gear products, i was inlove with M1T before it was banned.
    i also like formadrol extreme alot and nitros


    with that being said, M1D is not as effective or even comparable to M1T and i dont care what anyone says, Trying to replace M1T is like following in a hall of famers footstep after he retires and replace it with a rookie quarterback with less potential.

    M1T is not worth the shutdown for the 5 pounds you might and i mean you might gain from it uses. if you throw it in a stack with a couple of other ph's that might increase its effectives then we've got a ballgame.
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    m1d is basically dhea right? which is directed towards older men who start to lose their testosterone.
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    DHEA is IMHO not "directed" towards anything, it just is sometimes used in an OTC/Self-Medication way by such. However, that does not necessarily make it into a good idea, as it converts to Androstenedione, which then converts to both Estrone (itself an Estrogen precursor) and Testosterone.

    However, "older men who start to lose their testosterone" should IMHO get HRT - usually meaning actual Testosterone, instead of the precursor of the precursor.

    The problem with a "pre-combined" product, such as M1D, with various types of "blockers" as ingredients, is IMHO that you have no idea of the actual effectiveness of the ingredients. Do you need an additional AI? Do you need an additional SERM? How much is to much?

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    I never claimed that M1D is even close to M1T, so you can get that out of your heads. We try to be honest about what the product can and can not do. If you expect that M1D is going to give you 20lbs in 2 weeks, you will be disappointed. Vizion isn't a board rep, just a guy that liked M1D and is happy with the product.

    Look, the truth is that nothing is going to be like M1T (ok, maybe M1A) but the sides of M1D are far less and gains of 8-10 lbs in a month are gains you can keep, unlike M1T where you lose them all. I have said this before. If you have done a harsh prosteroid like M1T, SD etc... You won't feel M1D because your receptors are desensitized to anything but the strongest stuff...

    As for the ester version, what is hard to believe about that? They are esterifying everything in order to make them more effective. Creatine, Glutamine, Leucine, etc... Why not a DHEA ethyl acetate ester? It should increase absorption and slow metabolism and excretion.
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    Originally Posted by legalgear View Post
    I never claimed that M1D is even close to M1T, so you can get that out of your heads. We try to be honest about what the product can and can not do. If you expect that M1D is going to give you 20lbs in 2 weeks, you will be disappointed. Vizion isn't a board rep, just a guy that liked M1D and is happy with the product.

    Look, the truth is that nothing is going to be like M1T (ok, maybe M1A) but the sides of M1D are far less and gains of 8-10 lbs in a month are gains you can keep, unlike M1T where you lose them all. I have said this before. If you have done a harsh prosteroid like M1T, SD etc... You won't feel M1D because your receptors are desensitized to anything but the strongest stuff...

    As for the ester version, what is hard to believe about that? They are esterifying everything in order to make them more effective. Creatine, Glutamine, Leucine, etc... Why not a DHEA ethyl acetate ester? It should increase absorption and slow metabolism and excretion.

    good post E.

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