pull ups/barbell rows

[gwilacuz]

for mass building purposes, is it better to do pullups before rows or vice versa? and, should i do weighted pull ups if im getting 8-10 reps w/o weight? any advice appreciated

[matjusm]

for mass building purposes, is it better to do pullups before rows or vice versa? and, should i do weighted pull ups if im getting 8-10 reps w/o weight? any advice appreciated

I'd do the one I'm using more weight on first. That would probably be pull ups as its much more difficult to adjust the resistance there as opposed to rows.

As for the adding of weight, just add weight when you'd add weight for any other exercise you're doing. I don't see why one would treat weighted pull ups any differently from adding another plate onto the barbell for rows.

[squizzlewizzle]

Pull-ups recruit more overall muscle in the body, so do those first.

[ironwill2008]

for mass building purposes, is it better to do pullups before rows or vice versa?

In the grand scheme of things, it won't matter one bit. What will make the difference is to pick one format or the other, and then work to progress the weight/reps, week-to-week, on every exercise you use.

and, should i do weighted pull ups if im getting 8-10 reps w/o weight? any advice appreciated

Depends on what you best respond to. Try a few months of strapping on enough weight to bust you back to 6-rep sets, and see how it works for you. Just be sure to continue to use a full ROM, from dead-hang all the way up to the bar.

It's real easy to unconciously start reducing the ROM as you add weight to the exercise. Before long, if you aren't mindful, you find yourself with 90 pounds on the weight belt, and a "pullup" of 4". Don't do that.

[TheStreetKing]

Pull-ups recruit more overall muscle in the body, so do those first.

Last time i checked you didn't use your Glutes,Hams or Quads and calves in pullups but those muscle stabilize you when your doing heavy Rows, So Rows recruit more overall muscle in the body then pullups!

[Calborn]

Do whatever exercise you can lift more weight with. If you can get more weight up with weighted pull-ups than barbell rows, or vice versa, then go for it.
It's usually best to have the more intense exercises at the forefront of your routine, so that your body is already worn down. By the time you get to lighter exercises, you'd be pushing your body to its limits.

[squizzlewizzle]

Last time i checked you didn't use your Glutes,Hams or Quads and calves in pullups but those muscle stabilize you when your doing heavy Rows, So Rows recruit more overall muscle in the body then pullups!

It's not the muscle groups that matters per se, but the amount of fibers that contract. In a pull-up, every muscle in your body is in a partial contraction and your back muscles take up the brunt of the movement. Pull-ups have a longer ROM.

Rippetoe prefers pull-ups to rows. He includes pull-ups in some of his programs, but as for rows:

My opinion about barbell rows is as follows: **** barbell rows. Really. **** them.

[Frankk]

I prefer to do alternate them from one back workout to the next. In other words, if today's back workout will emphasize thickness, I start with the rows. On the next back workout, I emphasize width and so therefore will start with pull ups.[/QUOTE]