Bioforge promax phase 2

[buddy72192]

could you link it please i'm interested in reading about this.

edit: nm got it haha

http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showth...hp?t=122352851

[Benchpressking0]

I dont physically have the bottle of promax phase 2 in my hand, only the picture that I saw over the net. But I do have a bottle labeled just pro max sitting in front of me. Which was the reason I started the thread in the first place to see if there were any differences.

Exactly SEE there are 2 differently labeled pro max versions. The ****ing nut huggers on this site just refuse to believe

[theculture]

this internet stuff is serious

[THEHUGE]

I didn't get anything off pro max except for sore nuts

Of course, I kicked you in your mini-nuts.

AFAIK, Bioforge Promax = Bioforge Promax phase II

Correct.

[aliquis]

and the same as here on BB.com

so its exactly the same??

apparently

perhaps just a marketing ploy by biotivia.. i dunno

business is business

Back when they released the first version I somewhat complained because it had vitamine D3 in it which usually is made from wool fat and I'm vegan.

But I know some people prefer that over D2 which usually is vegan so I wasn't expecting much.

Turned out the person answering where vegan to and they didn't knew and they talked about how they would check that up and fix it. Or something such.

And then I noticed the Phase II, so I mailed them and asked and they claim the D3 is synthetic.

So that may be the difference, the regular BioForge has vcaps and probably was vegan, the Pro-Max however wasn't thanks to the D3, but they seem to have fixed that.

So maybe the content is the same ingredients, but the source material for the D3 is different.

Also go to the Pro Max thread if you want to know the difference in ingredients... the troll in you is obvious

He seem to discuss non-pro max vs pro max though.

Idk, where there bottles ever changed from simply saying Bioforge Pro Max to Bioforge Pro Max phase 2? If not, then there is no debate.

Pretty sure about that since I haven't seen Phase II until today.

[THEHUGE]

In the case of vitamin D3, the starting material is lanolin.

[ddon1]

Exactly SEE there are 2 differently labeled pro max versions. The ****ing nut huggers on this site just refuse to believe

Nothing wrong with questioning product validity,but to be a persistant BITCH about bioforge and HUGE! HUGE brings lots of knowledge to the boards! You continue to bring
constant bitching! Change your name to BITCHPRESS! Its a better fit!

[aliquis]

In the case of vitamin D3, the starting material is lanolin.

If it's they are lying so I hope it's not.

I commented on the D3, they has obviously changed the bottle and they now claim it's synthetic:

from Cristina Sebastian <cristina@biotivia.com>
to dospam@gmail.com
date Sat, Nov 27, 2010 at 11:31 PM
subject Re: So pro-max phase ii is out now?
mailed-by biotivia.com

hide details Nov 27 (2 days ago)

Hi Johan,

This one is synthetic D3, not from animal source.

Earlier:

from Cristina Sebastian <cristina@biotivia.com>
to Johan Krüger-Haglert <dospam@gmail.com>
date Thu, Aug 19, 2010 at 1:41 PM
subject Re: Bioforge Pro Max issue
mailed-by biotivia.com

hide details Aug 19

Hello Johan,

Thank you for your enquiry, and for bringing this matter to our attention. I am a vegan as well, so I understand your concern, and to tell you the truth, I had no idea that this source of vitamin D3 was of animal origin.

I have informed our president of this, and he has alerted our lab. We want to keep all our products natural and vegan, so I´d like to let you know that we are from now searching for an alternative vegan source of vitamin D3, with which we will replace the current one.

I cannot give you a date for the change, but I can tell you we are going to proceed as soon as possible.

Again, thank you for your valuable feedback, and I hope you will soon be able to purchase Bio Forge Pro Max with a vegan vitamin D.

from Cristina Sebastian <cristina@biotivia.com>
to dospam@gmail.com
date Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 8:53 PM
subject Re: Bioforge Pro Max issue
mailed-by biotivia.com

hide details Aug 24

Hi Johan,

Thank you for your complete and well documented response, as well as for the
link you provide. I will pass it on to the formulator of Bio Forge.

We know that D3 is mainly from animals, but there is a good source of it in
****ake mushrooms, and rice germ. We can investigate this options.

However, I have just been told that the formulations of both Bio Forge
products are going to be changed soon. There might not even be one with Vit
D3, so let´s see what our labs come up with, which we all expect, will be a
better, totally vegan formulation.

We will publish the news on our website fairly soon.

Kind regards and thank you again for your interest and feedback.

Not convinced you know more than she does but on the other hand I still haven't got a reply for what the source material would be for the supposedly synthetic one ..

If your base for claiming it's sourced from lanolin is only because it usually is I'd like to suggest to not speak up unless you know what you're speaking about. Especially when presented as facts.

[THEHUGE]

If it's they are lying so I hope it's not.

I commented on the D3, they has obviously changed the bottle and they now claim it's synthetic:



Earlier:



Not convinced you know more than she does but on the other hand I still haven't got a reply for what the source material would be for the supposedly synthetic one ..

If your base for claiming it's sourced from lanolin is only because it usually is I'd like to suggest to not speak up unless you know what you're speaking about. Especially when presented as facts.

Bad day man? If the president said the current source is not animal, it isn't. They're probably going to use ergocalciferol from rice germ(vit. D2). I only told you what's the most common starting material for D3 in general. So if you're not trying to start an argument for the sake of it:
/story.
Now relax.

[aliquis]

Follow up:

> This is an information that we cannot disclose, but in any case, this
> product is going to be discontinued, very soon, and the formula will change
> in the new one. It will have different ingredients.

So:

Synthetic D3 = ???

Pro Max Phase II = Soon to be discontinued and replaced with a new formula.

Guess that explain why the profiles where the same at least ..

Bad day man? If the president said the current source is not animal, it isn't. They're probably going to use ergocalciferol from rice germ(vit. D2). I only told you what's the most common starting material for D3 in general. So if you're not trying to start an argument for the sake of it:
/story.
Now relax.

K, I don't know what to believe regarding the current D3 actually. Since you talk about Vitamin D2 from vegetarian sources which is how I'm used to see it to, whereas she talks about Vitamin D3 from mushrooms or rice germs (though mushrooms are different so maybe.)
Makes you wonder what demands she have on the "synthetic" process to make it count as vegan.

As in maybe the D3 is from wool fat which is the usual way, they know about D2 alternatives but they will redo the product and may not even use vitamin D in it at all.

Oh well, if it's soon to be replaced I'll wait anyway. Thought this was the new one since I hadn't seen Phase II before.