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    Originally Posted by jdmalm123 View Post
    Sounds hilarious. I've seen my share of those!
    And something tells me there's no end in sight for such threads in the future!















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    Originally Posted by The Shoeless Wonder View Post
    Excellent! "The Reverse Squat"

    The best thing about that article was the tight-shirted young lass demonstrating the exercise.














    Originally Posted by 2nd_chance View Post
    Gonna do a 10x10 with reverse squats today... lulz.
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    How's the weather in my home state Bill?
    After a cold and rainy day yesterday, it's starting to clear up here today, David. It's still very cool though, with a forecast of snow here this weekend. A few days ago there was a record-high 87 here.


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    What's up Bill? Glad to see the reminder to deload as I'm looking at this week. Steady wins the race as you might say
    Hey, Todd!

    Deload here is just about in the books. Good luck with yours; gotta do what ya gotta do to keep moving forward.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Excellent! "The Reverse Squat"
    Also acceptable would have been "hanging knee raises". Weighted, of course.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Lulz. I wish I could find that O35 thread I referrenced. It was truly one of the most brotastic messes I've ever seen on this site.













    And that's sayin' something!
    A while back, in my own journal, I included a WTF Moment (Registered, Trademark MHL Enterprises, LLC.) wherein I witnessed a "trainer" walk his poor client over to a seated leg press and then advised the client that a seated leg press is the exact same thing as doing squats, only much, much better. That "trainer" also said something along the lines that he really hates squats but, hey, isn't he so fortunate because there is this wonderful seated leg press which gives you all the benefits of squats, but even more benefits than squats.

    Sigh.

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    Originally Posted by jdmalm123 View Post
    Also acceptable would have been "hanging knee raises". Weighted, of course.
    There ya go!












    Originally Posted by FlaIronMind View Post
    A while back, in my own journal, I included a WTF Moment (Registered, Trademark MHL Enterprises, LLC.) wherein I witnessed a "trainer" walk his poor client over to a seated leg press and then advised the client that a seated leg press is the exact same thing as doing squats, only much, much better. That "trainer" also said something along the lines that he really hates squats but, hey, isn't he so fortunate because there is this wonderful seated leg press which gives you all the benefits of squats, but even more benefits than squats.

    Sigh.
    In the 'exercises' forum, the "Squats vs. Leg Press" debate is topped in frequency only by the "Smith Machine vs. Free Weights" debate.

    I say, we put all four of 'em in The Octagon, and let 'em fight it out to the death!
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    Originally Posted by FlaIronMind View Post
    A while back, in my own journal, I included a WTF Moment (Registered, Trademark MHL Enterprises, LLC.) wherein I witnessed a "trainer" walk his poor client over to a seated leg press and then advised the client that a seated leg press is the exact same thing as doing squats, only much, much better. That "trainer" also said something along the lines that he really hates squats but, hey, isn't he so fortunate because there is this wonderful seated leg press which gives you all the benefits of squats, but even more benefits than squats.

    Sigh.
    I LOL'd at the trademark comment, but the rest of your story made me weep!
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    My wife recently got off the squats because her knee was "clicking" I had her try the hack squat machine with no issue. Still waiting for an appointment to get it checked out so she is doing hack squats in the meantime.

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    Originally Posted by jdmalm123 View Post
    I LOL'd at the trademark comment, but the rest of your story made me weep!
    PTs are an easy target, but they pretty much bring most of it on themselves with their exercise balls and oddball exercise choices for clients. The inept ones far outnumber the really good ones, so the entire group gets a black eye.












    Originally Posted by billb7581 View Post
    My wife recently got off the squats because her knee was "clicking" I had her try the hack squat machine with no issue. Still waiting for an appointment to get it checked out so she is doing hack squats in the meantime.
    Joint issues are nothing to mess with; getting looked at by a doc is a smart move.



    I've had noisy knees for as long as I can remember, but have no problem with them. But that's just me.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    PTs are an easy target, but they pretty much bring most of it on themselves with their exercise balls and oddball exercise choices for clients. The inept ones far outnumber the really good ones, so the entire group gets a black eye.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post

    Joint issues are nothing to mess with; getting looked at by a doc is a smart move.



    I've had noisy knees for as long as I can remember, but have no problem with them. But that's just me.
    When I looked online it could be anything from absolutely nothing at all, to something serious. LOL. There's a wide range of reasons for knees clicking LOL.

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    When I looked online it could be anything from absolutely nothing at all, to something serious. LOL. There's a wide range of reasons for knees clicking LOL.
    My knees crack and click from time to time, but it has proven to be a complete non issue..........unnerves people when I lift with them though.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    PTs are an easy target, but they pretty much bring most of it on themselves with their exercise balls and oddball exercise choices for clients. The inept ones far outnumber the really good ones, so the entire group gets a black eye...
    Agree with both you and FLEX on this point. Working out in 3 different gyms, it's much like witnessing 3 different cultures. My primary is a large commercial family gym with 8 really inept PTs; 5 of the better ones there have left in the last 3 years to go to a large pvt gym about 2 miles away. The gym where I work with my coach (much smaller, but cleaner and well-equipped) only has 3 trainers on staff. 2 have their pro cards and all are degreed in Sports Medicine or Human Physiology.
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    I cringe when I hear the advice that is doled out by the trainers at my gym. They have nice equipment but the staff is just a bunch of college kids that arent even in that good shape themselves LOL.

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    Originally Posted by -=FLEX=- View Post
    ^^^ So much this.
    The few good ones aren't going to be found at the corner "fitness center;" they've long since moved on to more-profitable venues with more-serious clientele.










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    When I looked online it could be anything from absolutely nothing at all, to something serious. LOL. There's a wide range of reasons for knees clicking LOL.
    Originally Posted by FastCatChamp View Post
    My knees crack and click from time to time, but it has proven to be a complete non issue..........unnerves people when I lift with them though.
    Every time I train legs, mine sound like shaking a coffee can full of nuts and bolts. For me at least, the doc said, "no pain, no problem."













    Originally Posted by HoustonTXMuscle View Post
    Agree with both you and FLEX on this point. Working out in 3 different gyms, it's much like witnessing 3 different cultures. My primary is a large commercial family gym with 8 really inept PTs; 5 of the better ones there have left in the last 3 years to go to a large pvt gym about 2 miles away. The gym where I work with my coach (much smaller, but cleaner and well-equipped) only has 3 trainers on staff. 2 have their pro cards and all are degreed in Sports Medicine or Human Physiology.
    And that's the perception problem with PTs; most folks' contact with any of them are of the 'fitness center' variety, which are usually college students looking to pick up a few bucks in their spare time by running overweight beginners through an easy "workout." Some kid who himself has only been training for a year or two isn't going to have anything to offer to already-experienced trainees.
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    The few good ones aren't going to be found at the corner "fitness center;" they've long since moved on to more-profitable venues with more-serious clientele.
    When I was at Powerhouse there was one PT there that really knew his stuff. He was huge, and he actually competed. He knew the training and the diet. And what's more I think he was natty. AT least I want to beleive that. LMAO.

    The PTs at our current and last gym (Fitness Centers - but that's all that's left around here) are all skinny little nerds that don't even look like they lift.

    One of them approached Lisa recently and asked if she needed help with her training, I was watching from where I was and I just saw her point to me, he turned his head and looked, then got up and walked away. LMAO.

    I know I'm not the leanest guy, but at least I look like I freaking lift. I cannot for the life of me understand why people give these dues their hard-earned money. I think they charge $50/hour. And from what I can tell they just stand there and count their client's reps. No correction of bad form or anything. And don't even get me started on the Bosu ball stuff..........which they all do...
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    Originally Posted by -=FLEX=- View Post
    The PTs at our current and last gym (Fitness Centers - but that's all that's left around here) are all skinny little nerds that don't even look like they lift.

    ...
    And unfortunately, ^^^^ this is par for the course.

    And while I've learned that you sometimes can't tell a book by it's cover, when one of these 'experts' has his/her client doing Hammer Curls with 2-pound dumbbells while standing on only one foot, knowledge-wise, the cat's pretty much out of the bag at that point.
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    while standing on only one foot, knowledge-wise, the cat's pretty much out of the bag at that point.
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    Originally Posted by -=FLEX=- View Post
    LMAO

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    And as nuts as that sounds, I think it was MHL who posted in his journal of seeing a PT at his primary gym having a client do that very thing.

    And like MH says, you can't make this stuff up.
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    This is the last of three light workouts this week, designed to give me an opportunity to completely recover from the previous three weeks' heavy training. All loads were reduced by 50%, and no set came within the same zip code as failure. Today's training was:

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    Rolled right on through here in about 20 minutes. Got a nice lat pump from the Cable Rows.

    Not a single thing else to report, other than this one is in the bag.

    Monday will mark a return to regular heavy training, with Squats, Chins, and Seated Presses on the agenda.








    Post-Workout was a baked, coconut-crusted tilapia filet (bought frozen; not my making), a sweet potato with butter, a big salad with everything, olive oil and apple cider vinegar to dress it, and a glass of milk.

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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post

    Post-Workout was a baked, coconut-crusted tilapia filet (bought frozen; not my making), a sweet potato with butter, a big salad with everything, olive oil and apple cider vinegar to dress it, and a glass of milk.

    Just swingin by to see what you're eating today. Deload is done...feeling ready to roll?
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    Originally Posted by rpaul11 View Post
    Just swingin by to see what you're eating today. Deload is done...feeling ready to roll?
    Hey, Rich. My wife picked up a package of those tilapia filets on sale at Krogers the other day, just to try them, and they're really good. A little on the mild side (to my taste), but still a nice change-up. easy to fix too; put 'em on a sheet pan, and straight into the oven. Don't even require thawing.


    Yes, I'm ready to go. I really missed Squatting, so I'm already eyeing Monday's work. My shoulder is still a ?; I haven't even tested it at all this week. If it's still 'iffy' on Monday, I'll just do some light Pulldowns instead of Chins.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    This is the last of three light workouts this week, designed to give me an opportunity to completely recover from the previous three weeks' heavy training. All loads were reduced by 50%, and no set came within the same zip code as failure. Today's training was:

    Seated Cable Row PWO
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    Rolled right on through here in about 20 minutes. Got a nice lat pump from the Cable Rows.

    Not a single thing else to report, other than this one is in the bag.

    Monday will mark a return to regular heavy training, with Squats, Chins, and Seated Presses on the agenda.








    Post-Workout was a baked, coconut-crusted tilapia filet (bought frozen; not my making), a sweet potato with butter, a big salad with everything, olive oil and apple cider vinegar to dress it, and a glass of milk.

    Impressive as always. How many years have you been lifting???
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    Originally Posted by mastersfreak63 View Post
    Impressive as always. How many years have you been lifting???
    Thanks, M. For a deload week, it's been productive; I'm recovered and ready to roll on Monday.


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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    I'll be going into my 20th consecutive year next month.
    So...in order for you to beat me in this department, considering our slight age differences...I would have to quit training entirely for 4 years.
    Will, good sir, I'll give you your superior bench, lunges, shoulder presses, deads, and attention to detail over mine.
    But
    you're gonna have to kill me to pwn me in this area.

    I seriously think that after 20 years of lifting you should do something to celebrate that day. It is RARE. More rare than 20 yr. wedding anniversaries. A thread, a shirt, a trophy, but I really suggest doing something for YOU that day.

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    Man, the back and delts look like they are working a bit, even for deload time.

    Eats look good.

    Pt stories seem all too common. It's scary how little effort people put into their training, hiring someone and never lifting a finger to learn about the subject on their own. After all, they have a "trainer", no need.
    I would estimate my knowledge of training and the human body at maybe 5% of what can be learned, but i've listened to advice from "trainers" that puts them in the less then 1% category. Yet people are willing to pay them.

    Sad really, people get what they deserve.
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    Dropped in just in time to see the end of the deload. Hope you got as much out of yours as I did out of mine.

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    Good work brother and glad the deload = done.

    Have a great weekend my friend.

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    Originally Posted by ArchAngel'73 View Post
    So...in order for you to beat me in this department, considering our slight age differences...I would have to quit training entirely for 4 years.
    Lulz. I know that's not gonna happen!

    It's hard for me to believe I've put in 19 years at this and heading into my 20th; time really flies.

    I got started with a cheap D-P bench and vinyl-covered weights that I bought at K-Mart for probably $29.95. I checked out a book about weight training from the library, read through it, and jumped in.













    Originally Posted by wedjim View Post
    Man, the back and delts look like they are working a bit, even for deload time.

    Eats look good.
    Thanks, wj. I did those sets pretty much non-stop, and the pic was probably from the last set, so I had a good pump going just from the volume.

    I'm always looking for something a bit different that my wife will eat too (she doesn't eat red meat), so those fish filets were a welcome change.



    Pt stories seem all too common. It's scary how little effort people put into their training, hiring someone and never lifting a finger to learn about the subject on their own. After all, they have a "trainer", no need.
    I would estimate my knowledge of training and the human body at maybe 5% of what can be learned, but i've listened to advice from "trainers" that puts them in the less then 1% category. Yet people are willing to pay them.

    Sad really, people get what they deserve.
    I agree; people should be more proactive about their level of fitness and how to change it. But a good part of the blame goes to the lay media, too; there's so much conflicting information about nutrition as well as exercise that it's not surprising that most civilians are clueless.

    When I stop and think about how many billions of hours people waste doing cardio exercises thinking they're going to make big changes in their appearance with it alone, I just smh.

    And then there are asshats like "Dr. Oz," on TV every day, advising people to eat 'low fat,' or to 'not eat carbs at night,' or 'the importance of the glycemic index,' along with an endless stream of sales pitches for useless supplements. Joe/Joan Q. Public doesn't have a chance unless they take it upon themselves to get educated, and leave the charlatans in the dust.













    Originally Posted by BergMuscle View Post
    Dropped in just in time to see the end of the deload. Hope you got as much out of yours as I did out of mine.
    Hey, Dan. I'm ready to go; it's time to do work.













    Originally Posted by FlaIronMind View Post
    Good work brother and glad the deload = done.

    Have a great weekend my friend.
    Thanks, FIM. And in the words of the immortal Enzo Ferrari, "What's behind me is of no concern!"

    Have a good one yourself.
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    Originally Posted by ironwill2008 View Post
    Lulz. I know that's not gonna happen!

    It's hard for me to believe I've put in 19 years at this and heading into my 20th; time really flies.

    I got started with a cheap D-P bench and vinyl-covered weights that I bought at K-Mart for probably $29.95. I checked out a book about weight training from the library, read through it, and jumped in.
    Time does and this is a monumentous ooccasion my brother.

    I applaud you in your decision. I did not really chose this, my old man traded a old bar for my weight set...same thing vinyl covered concrete...a manual and one of his friends showed me how to do the basics. Only after I got hooked did I read and watch all I could.

    Funny, I've come to appreciate de-loads over the last few years. The needed break coupled with the lighter weights help re-connect me with the exercise, to feel things a little more rather than lifting the weight, and the comfortable knowledge we are doing work in the grand scheme of things.
    Other than Layne, I never heard talk of de-loading from anyone up until a few years back.

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    Originally Posted by ArchAngel'73 View Post
    Funny, I've come to appreciate de-loads over the last few years. The needed break coupled with the lighter weights help re-connect me with the exercise, to feel things a little more rather than lifting the weight, and the comfortable knowledge we are doing work in the grand scheme of things.
    Other than Layne, I never heard talk of de-loading from anyone up until a few years back.
    When I first started posting on this site, I was a bit surprised at how few people used, or even knew about, deloads.



    I got introduced to the concept in just my 2nd year by my original mentor. I protested mightily the first several times he insisted I cut training weights and just do a week of light work.

    Why on earth would I waste an entire week by lifting far below my capacity? I wasn't even injured or worn-down; of what possible value could such training be?

    Well, here it is, 18 years later, and I'm still at it, never even having suffered any gym injury other than a minor ding or dent. And I train as hard today, if not harder, than back then.














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    Still looking good, journal is very informative.
    Hey, hello, Haz. Thanks; I'm still working to keep moving forward.
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