1,3 Dimethyl Ban?

[Puppywhirl]

Just bought some bulk of it. Perhaps a bit too paranoid, but better safe than sorry. Real cheap right now too.

[user1111]

I mostly would just feel bad for companies like Gaspari, AEN and similar companies which are using 1,3 very responsibly.

Companies like Purus and BPI on the other hand...

One of the companies you named in the first sentence is a HUGE reason for the paranoia on the compound.

[.:Chris:.]

Jacob, whats your plans with jack3d if the ban proceeds? Re formulating or scrapping?

[TMac26]

One of the companies you named in the first sentence is a HUGE reason for the paranoia on the compound.

Strong accusation.



What's funny is its not the companies stance on that either, its personal views. One product has 1,3 dymeth in it.

[Illadelphia]

I think back in june I offered 6 months. So before the end of '10. Let's see if I am right

[Meatie]

This is pitiful. I think 1,3 deserves being in supps just as much as caffeine does...
To the people that say "companies put too much in blah blah blah"... Cant the same thing be said for caffeine?

[Purplekoolaid]

This is pitiful. I think 1,3 deserves being in supps just as much as caffeine does...
To the people that say "companies put too much in blah blah blah"... Cant the same thing be said for caffeine?

yes

[shadar]

This is pitiful. I think 1,3 deserves being in supps just as much as caffeine does...
To the people that say "companies put too much in blah blah blah"... Cant the same thing be said for caffeine?

Caffeine has been studied for ages and 1,3 has basically no research at all on it, specifically safety research.

Caffeine can be obtained from natural sources in large quantities if people wish to, 1,3 can not.

The average consumer has a rough idea of how much caffeine is "a lot" compared to their complete ignorance about 1,3.

The amount of caffeine is often listed on labels, the amount of 1,3 is almost never.

The differences between Caffeine and 1,3 are huge.

But as I said, I don't think it should be banned... I do understand why it likely will be though.

[shadar]

One of the companies you named in the first sentence is a HUGE reason for the paranoia on the compound.

Perhaps this is why they seem to be using it in a very limited fashion, rather than abusing it?

I believe their caution about the substance is a good thing... but I can understand why you would disagree and be angered by the way they've gone about discussing and then using the supplement

[Acetyl-CoA]

Will it be scheduled? If so, will Geranium flowers get controlled? How can the FDA prevent a true Geranium oil extract?

[TMac26]

Will it be scheduled? If so, will Geranium flowers get controlled? How can the FDA prevent a true Geranium oil extract?

Easy. They'll ban the chemical compound.

[Illadelphia]

This is pitiful. I think 1,3 deserves being in supps just as much as caffeine does...
To the people that say "companies put too much in blah blah blah"... Cant the same thing be said for caffeine?

What would Trex say?????


ok, heres the story.
I was driving to the mall to shop for some new shoes, Near the parking lot entrance, theres a part where the cars drive by, and have 2 stop signs coming from two directions. I was the car that drives by so i didn't have to yield to anyone. a kid driving a gay green camaro pulls out infront of me and I honk the horn and put my arms up in the air like "whaaat is this!!!??"

the kid then STOPS in the middle of the intersection flails his hands up and starts yelling ****, and eventually flips me off. I flip him back off and he puts the car in park, gets out and approaches my car

My heart starts racing as I see this 19-23 year old wigger probably about 165-170 walking towards me, wearing a side ways hat and baggy ass clothing. he starts yelling **** at me yelling "get out of your car ***got, nobody gives me the finger and gets away with it"
I sit there grinning, he doesn't realize that im a big ass mother ****er who body-builds 5-6 days out of the week.
He gets up near my car, starts to KICK my tire. I thought he was kicking the side of my car so i get out of the car and start walking towards him as i say "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TOUGHGUY???" He RUNS at me, swinging his fists, I bend my neck BACK and one of the blows hits my chest and then I yell, "SELF DEFENSE" and clock him COLD with a right in the left side of his jaw. it sent him stammering back and he's about to fall over, But I run up to him, pull him over, knee him in the stomach, then punch him in the face one more time to send him down. At this point I was overcome with adrenalin. He's lookalike butt buddy friend got out and and i say "what you want some too chief?" hes says "no man I dont want any of that". He starts helping his friend back up and I get down there and help him up as well... Felt kinda bad for clocking him like that.
anyway- he snaps out of it and slowly climbs back into his car and drives off.
I told his friend as he helped him in the car "If you choose to report this to police, You should know that what I did was out of self defense. I have this bruise on my chest to prove for it, My uncle is one of the best lawyers in town, You don't want to test me. Have a nice day, tell your friend I hope he starts feeling better"

[Mac_330]

Jacob, whats your plans with jack3d if the ban proceeds? Re formulating or scrapping?

this^

[TMac26]

this^

I'm sure companies that are currently using it have other stimulants they can plug in.

[Acetyl-CoA]

Easy. They'll ban the chemical compound.

So controlled substance, or what?

[TMac26]

So controlled substance, or what?

Most likely. It'll be the same as phen-phen and Ephedra (before it was un-banned)

[Mac_330]

I'm sure companies that are currently using it have other stimulants they can plug in.

Good enough for me, I enjoy 1,3 for the kick in the ass

[azazelo]

What would Trex say?????


ok, heres the story.
I was driving to the mall to shop for some new shoes, Near the parking lot entrance, theres a part where the cars drive by, and have 2 stop signs coming from two directions. I was the car that drives by so i didn't have to yield to anyone. a kid driving a gay green camaro pulls out infront of me and I honk the horn and put my arms up in the air like "whaaat is this!!!??"

the kid then STOPS in the middle of the intersection flails his hands up and starts yelling ****, and eventually flips me off. I flip him back off and he puts the car in park, gets out and approaches my car

My heart starts racing as I see this 19-23 year old wigger probably about 165-170 walking towards me, wearing a side ways hat and baggy ass clothing. he starts yelling **** at me yelling "get out of your car ***got, nobody gives me the finger and gets away with it"
I sit there grinning, he doesn't realize that im a big ass mother ****er who body-builds 5-6 days out of the week.
He gets up near my car, starts to KICK my tire. I thought he was kicking the side of my car so i get out of the car and start walking towards him as i say "WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO TOUGHGUY???" He RUNS at me, swinging his fists, I bend my neck BACK and one of the blows hits my chest and then I yell, "SELF DEFENSE" and clock him COLD with a right in the left side of his jaw. it sent him stammering back and he's about to fall over, But I run up to him, pull him over, knee him in the stomach, then punch him in the face one more time to send him down. At this point I was overcome with adrenalin. He's lookalike butt buddy friend got out and and i say "what you want some too chief?" hes says "no man I dont want any of that". He starts helping his friend back up and I get down there and help him up as well... Felt kinda bad for clocking him like that.
anyway- he snaps out of it and slowly climbs back into his car and drives off.
I told his friend as he helped him in the car "If you choose to report this to police, You should know that what I did was out of self defense. I have this bruise on my chest to prove for it, My uncle is one of the best lawyers in town, You don't want to test me. Have a nice day, tell your friend I hope he starts feeling better"

notsureifreal but this got me pumped and I was cheering you on in my mind

[Acetyl-CoA]

I'm sure companies that are currently using it have other stimulants they can plug in.

Yeah, I'm sure that companies can sift through lists of abandoned research drugs from the 1900s.... but how many of these chemicals are safe, a constituent of a plant, easily sourced, and actually beneficial for enhancing heavy lifting???

[TMac26]

Yeah, I'm sure that companies can sift through lists of abandoned research drugs from the 1900s.... but how many of these chemicals are safe, a constituent of a plant, easily sourced, and actually beneficial for enhancing heavy lifting???

There are other compounds that are still floating around.


Neuron did a big right up on Methylsynephrine.

[Acetyl-CoA]

There are other compounds that are still floating around.


Neuron did a big right up on Methylsynephrine.

Isn't that the subject of litigation against a supp compnay for featuring a product with it due to the fact it is marketed by a big pharma company as a vasopressor?

[TMac26]

Isn't that the subject of litigation against a supp compnay for featuring a product with it due to the fact it is marketed by a big pharma company as a vasopressor?

I have no idea. I know that when Neuron posted that big thread on it, it was in April and it was then still uncontrolled.


If people really want a jolt, they could just dose an E/C pre workout with something like Ice +, Body Octane, or their favorite stim-free preworkout.

[onthajuice]

its time to stock up.

[tenaciousj]

1,3 has caught a lot of hate lately. I however love it in smaller amounts, such as the dose found in Omega Flash Over. More than enough energy while I'm lifting but not so much that I cannot get to bed afterwords which is nice because I get to bed about a hour and a half after working out.

[truckerman79]

Companies are starting to abuse 1,3 by including it in larger and larger doses. If they would keep the doses around 25mg or less it wouldn't be getting so much attention.

I agree it shouldn't be banned... but compared to other things which get banned or restricted this one makes a bit of sense imo.

If I take any more than a 25mg dose of 1,3 I get the crash of a lifetime. Horrible.

[bber4lyfe]

can someone post something offical instead of word from a friend from a friend etc

I use this to study, and gives me less side effects then pretty much every study-drug on market.

[tenaciousj]

can someone post something offical instead of word from a friend from a friend etc

I use this to study, and gives me less side effects then pretty much every study-drug on market.

You're in the land of broscience, take your thoughts of science elsewhere.

In all seriousness I'm not certain there is a lot of info on 1,3. I remember PA saying at one point earlier this year IIRC that people using it should all put money together to do studies on 1,3 as he thought it wouldn't be around long before being banned being its a pretty new ingredient.

[Massicio]

hope so.
tired of seeing it in every new fukin pre workout supplement.
introducing new ultra hardcore xtreme jack3d up yok3d pumpulicious pumps.
hey, yeah, we're the new pre workout thats going to blow your socks off. we amped up the caffeine and added 1,3. this is the best pre workout known to man.

fukin tired of it.

100% agree.

[user1111]

Jacob, whats your plans with jack3d if the ban proceeds? Re formulating or scrapping?

We have five new stimulants that we are currently testing that are brand with each having cool fat loss properties..

We are in a unique position.

If it is pulled...which it will not be soon. I will have a stronger hold on the market with plan b.

We are planning on releasing a new Jack3d fat loss.

[user1111]

I think back in june I offered 6 months. So before the end of '10. Let's see if I am right

Your whole presence on bb.com is pretending to understand the industry and attacking other people with your ignorant responses. You are a bitter man.

I hope other companies listen to you but I doubt that.