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    HCG diet vs HCG bodybuilder

    It has come to my attention via a friend that she is now on the HCG diet.
    In my lesser known bodybuilding perspective I have only known HCG as the product that is used by bbers to prevent testicular atrophy during cycle prior to PCT. I know that it is produced during pregancy and stimulates the FSH and LH thus increasing production in the testes.
    Now this diet has appeared, has become popularized and it is using a oral injested form of HCG that is FDA approved. It is said that this oral supplement will ramp up your metabolism and burn calories.
    Can someone explain to me further first off how this is working, its effectiveness as an oral, any potential adverse consequences and does this mean that an oral form of HCG is now available in legal manner that will work the same as the the HCG bbers have been using?

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    Looks like a bunch of crap.
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    Originally Posted by askem View Post
    Looks like a bunch of crap.
    OK can we back that up with something scientific

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    I believe that the women who use this diet also are at a severe caloric deficit. I have read they are usually on a 500 calorie per day diet.

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    Link to said product?
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    google it

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    Originally Posted by askem View Post
    Looks like a bunch of crap.
    To elaborate.................
    hCG is a peptide hormone. It's a protein. It gets broken down to amino acids and small di and tri-peptides just like any other protein you eat. It's not orally bioavailable, which is why an oral form has never existed for any legitimate medical use.

    The hCG diet is a giant scam and a complete waste of money. That goes for oral and sublingual hCG as well.

    Why are people losing weight on it? The diet is essentially an extreme protein-sparing modified fast. All of the weight loss can be attributed to the diet. The hCG does absolutely nothing to improve fat loss or suppress hunger. It merely provides an expensive placebo effect.
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    Retarded. 500 cal diet, you better expect to drop weight.
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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    Retarded. 500 cal diet, you better expect to drop weight.
    Yep. The problem is that the idiots who do this type of diet do not care if they are losing muscle mass or fat, as long as the number on the scale is going down.

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    These were my feelings as well
    Can anyone explain why HCG is not effective when taken orally and needs to be injected intramuscular or subq?
    Im guessing it has to do something with passing through the stomach and liver etc and being broken down by the process

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    Originally Posted by nsiegel5 View Post
    These were my feelings as well
    Can anyone explain why HCG is not effective when taken orally and needs to be injected intramuscular or subq?
    Im guessing it has to do something with passing through the stomach and liver etc and being broken down by the process


    Has to survive the liver.
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    Originally Posted by nsiegel5 View Post
    These were my feelings as well
    Can anyone explain why HCG is not effective when taken orally and needs to be injected intramuscular or subq?
    Im guessing it has to do something with passing through the stomach and liver etc and being broken down by the process
    Most likely destroyed during phase 1 liver metabolism.

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    Originally Posted by nsiegel5 View Post
    These were my feelings as well
    Can anyone explain why HCG is not effective when taken orally and needs to be injected intramuscular or subq?
    Im guessing it has to do something with passing through the stomach and liver etc and being broken down by the process
    Did you read my post? Ill write it again:

    hCG is a peptide hormone. It's a protein. It gets broken down to amino acids and small di and tri-peptides just like any other protein you eat. It's not orally bioavailable, which is why an oral form has never existed for any legitimate medical use.

    The hCG diet is a giant scam and a complete waste of money. That goes for oral and sublingual hCG as well.

    Why are people losing weight on it? The diet is essentially an extreme protein-sparing modified fast. All of the weight loss can be attributed to the diet. The hCG does absolutely nothing to improve fat loss or suppress hunger. It merely provides an expensive placebo effect.
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    Originally Posted by ryanr623 View Post
    Did you read my post? Ill write it again:

    hCG is a peptide hormone. It's a protein. It gets broken down to amino acids and small di and tri-peptides just like any other protein you eat. It's not orally bioavailable, which is why an oral form has never existed for any legitimate medical use.

    The hCG diet is a giant scam and a complete waste of money. That goes for oral and sublingual hCG as well.

    Why are people losing weight on it? The diet is essentially an extreme protein-sparing modified fast. All of the weight loss can be attributed to the diet. The hCG does absolutely nothing to improve fat loss or suppress hunger. It merely provides an expensive placebo effect.
    R u serious!?!
    You explain nothing, all you say is that it breaksdown, not why that makes it unavailable. I asked why. What processes does it go through when injested vs what it goes through when injected.
    I already understand that eating an extremely low calorie diet will make you lose weight any moron knows that.

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    Originally Posted by nsiegel5 View Post
    R u serious!?!
    You explain nothing, all you say is that it breaksdown, not why that makes it unavailable. I asked why. What processes does it go through when injested vs what it goes through when injected.
    I already understand that eating an extremely low calorie diet will make you lose weight any moron knows that.



    srsly?

    Digestion (Liver esp) breaks down the protein peptide (HCG). Its injected to by-pass the liver and prevent break down.
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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    srsly?

    Digestion (Liver esp) breaks down the protein peptide (HCG). Its injected to by-pass the liver and prevent break down.
    Thank you I understand

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    Its just a marketing sceam. It could be any product actually because the rest of the program is what makes you loose weight.

    EX> Program, HCG. drink green tea, eat nothing and exercise.

    The HCG has no play in the weight lose but it makes people think that they are using a revolutionary new idea.

    IM not exactly sure on how an ORAL HCG would even work.
    When life feels like a heavy weight on my chest, I go lift some heavy weight off my chest. Makes sense.

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    IM not exactly sure on how an ORAL HCG would even work.



    It doesn't.
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    Originally Posted by TMac26 View Post
    It doesn't.
    fo sho. dirty tricksters
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    Thumbs up Hcg diet

    Originally Posted by nsiegel5 View Post
    It has come to my attention via a friend that she is now on the HCG diet.
    In my lesser known bodybuilding perspective I have only known HCG as the product that is used by bbers to prevent testicular atrophy during cycle prior to PCT. I know that it is produced during pregancy and stimulates the FSH and LH thus increasing production in the testes.
    Now this diet has appeared, has become popularized and it is using a oral injested form of HCG that is FDA approved. It is said that this oral supplement will ramp up your metabolism and burn calories.
    Can someone explain to me further first off how this is working, its effectiveness as an oral, any potential adverse consequences and does this mean that an oral form of HCG is now available in legal manner that will work the same as the the HCG bbers have been using?
    I have been on the hcg diet for about 2 1/2 weeks. I a doing stomach injections. I have lost 13 pounds. Yes it is hard the first few days but it has worked for me . Operating on 500 calories is hard but by the next week your body gets use to it . I think it is a great thing . I also go to the gym. When most people that take hcg do not go to the gym. There are negative and positive things to say about it but i am on the positive side. Do not cheat because you will see it reflected on the scale. I will be on it until I lose 40 pounds. After that I will continue with a low calorie healthy diet and daily gym visits .

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    It is obvious that you have not tried it.

    Originally Posted by ryanr623 View Post
    To elaborate.................
    hCG is a peptide hormone. It's a protein. It gets broken down to amino acids and small di and tri-peptides just like any other protein you eat. It's not orally bioavailable, which is why an oral form has never existed for any legitimate medical use.

    The hCG diet is a giant scam and a complete waste of money. That goes for oral and sublingual hCG as well.

    Why are people losing weight on it? The diet is essentially an extreme protein-sparing modified fast. All of the weight loss can be attributed to the diet. The hCG does absolutely nothing to improve fat loss or suppress hunger. It merely provides an expensive placebo effect.
    I have been in the bodybuilding world for over 20 years. I don't really answer to posts but when I see something that is not right I do. It is obvious that you never tried the diet and no one you know has either. I have tried it and yes 100% it suppresses appetite BIG TIME. No it is not a placebo effect cause my appetite is huge,I was sitting on the table with my wife and kids and I was very comfortable no matter what was on the table, if I would let myself go longer periods without food I would get an empty feeling ,but no cravings whatsoever.
    Do not forget how HCG works. It is produced by the female when she is pregnant in very big amounts, when she goes a long time without food the body digs in the fat stores for survival, it is very simple,and very natural.
    I hate to back the diet up cause I do not believe it is for everyone, cause you definitely feel big time emptiness (funny felling, not hungry,just empty) especially if you have some evening eating patterns. Forget about training , when you are on this diet don't have the energy to do so. One more thing it spears your muscle cause it goes direct to the fat,do you see a lot of pregnant woman lose there muscles,no,why ,this is the reason. As long as you have fat to burn!

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    Originally Posted by MUSCLEXT View Post
    I have been in the bodybuilding world for over 20 years. I don't really answer to posts but when I see something that is not right I do. It is obvious that you never tried the diet and no one you know has either. I have tried it and yes 100% it suppresses appetite BIG TIME. No it is not a placebo effect cause my appetite is huge,I was sitting on the table with my wife and kids and I was very comfortable no matter what was on the table, if I would let myself go longer periods without food I would get an empty feeling ,but no cravings whatsoever.
    Do not forget how HCG works. It is produced by the female when she is pregnant in very big amounts, when she goes a long time without food the body digs in the fat stores for survival, it is very simple,and very natural.
    I hate to back the diet up cause I do not believe it is for everyone, cause you definitely feel big time emptiness (funny felling, not hungry,just empty) especially if you have some evening eating patterns. Forget about training , when you are on this diet don't have the energy to do so. One more thing it spears your muscle cause it goes direct to the fat,do you see a lot of pregnant woman lose there muscles,no,why ,this is the reason. As long as you have fat to burn!
    So much disappointment in this post.

    Edit: Just found a label, its a varying prop blend of 100mg total containing various amino acids, wow America has gone full retard.
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    hCG is a load of crap. There is no clinical evidence that it promotes weight loss above what it would be from a caloric deficit. Idiots go to doctor, get hCG injections, intake 500 cals a day and think it's the injections doing the work. Ya, it's the pregnancy hormone helping you lose weight, not the 500 cals a day. Again, idiots.
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    Originally Posted by rhadam View Post
    hCG is a load of crap. There is no clinical evidence that it promotes weight loss above what it would be from a caloric deficit. Idiots go to doctor, get hCG injections, intake 500 cals a day and think it's the injections doing the work. Ya, it's the pregnancy hormone helping you lose weight, not the 500 cals a day. Again, idiots.
    It's ironic cuz women gain mad weight when they're preggers.
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    Originally Posted by MUSCLEXT View Post
    I have been in the bodybuilding world for over 20 years. I don't really answer to posts but when I see something that is not right I do. It is obvious that you never tried the diet and no one you know has either. I have tried it and yes 100% it suppresses appetite BIG TIME. No it is not a placebo effect cause my appetite is huge,I was sitting on the table with my wife and kids and I was very comfortable no matter what was on the table, if I would let myself go longer periods without food I would get an empty feeling ,but no cravings whatsoever.
    Do not forget how HCG works. It is produced by the female when she is pregnant in very big amounts, when she goes a long time without food the body digs in the fat stores for survival, it is very simple,and very natural.
    I hate to back the diet up cause I do not believe it is for everyone, cause you definitely feel big time emptiness (funny felling, not hungry,just empty) especially if you have some evening eating patterns. Forget about training , when you are on this diet don't have the energy to do so. One more thing it spears your muscle cause it goes direct to the fat,do you see a lot of pregnant woman lose there muscles,no,why ,this is the reason. As long as you have fat to burn!
    while I appreciate your post that doesn't really do anything to change what the poster said. Go speak to any doctor or anyone with a great understanding of peptides and compounds like this.

    Your statement has nothing to do or no rebuttle to the fact that hcg is in fact a peptide hormone, a protein, and it does in FACT get broken down. It cannot...factually cannot survive and is not orally bioavailable. There really is no debate on that.

    That is why women or people "in the know" only use the injectedable form. See post #20. but on that note there is no real concrete evidence it helps lose weight even in the inject form

    Does that mean the diet doesn't work? No, of course not. If the diet worked for you that's all good. But the diet working doesn't change what the chemical structure of HCG is and how it gets absorbed.



    Also keep in mind most HCG pills are a combination of stimulates, amino acids, and other bs. This is NOTHING even similar to injectable hcg as far as benefits/effects

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    Originally Posted by MUSCLEXT View Post
    I have been in the bodybuilding world for over 20 years. I don't really answer to posts but when I see something that is not right I do. It is obvious that you never tried the diet and no one you know has either. I have tried it and yes 100% it suppresses appetite BIG TIME. No it is not a placebo effect cause my appetite is huge,I was sitting on the table with my wife and kids and I was very comfortable no matter what was on the table, if I would let myself go longer periods without food I would get an empty feeling ,but no cravings whatsoever.
    Do not forget how HCG works. It is produced by the female when she is pregnant in very big amounts, when she goes a long time without food the body digs in the fat stores for survival, it is very simple,and very natural.
    I hate to back the diet up cause I do not believe it is for everyone, cause you definitely feel big time emptiness (funny felling, not hungry,just empty) especially if you have some evening eating patterns. Forget about training , when you are on this diet don't have the energy to do so. One more thing it spears your muscle cause it goes direct to the fat,do you see a lot of pregnant woman lose there muscles,no,why ,this is the reason. As long as you have fat to burn!
    This could possibly be the dumbest and most incorrect post I've ever read.

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    Originally Posted by Newmicyw View Post
    I have been on the hcg diet for about 2 1/2 weeks. I a doing stomach injections. I have lost 13 pounds. Yes it is hard the first few days but it has worked for me . Operating on 500 calories is hard but by the next week your body gets use to it . I think it is a great thing . I also go to the gym. When most people that take hcg do not go to the gym. There are negative and positive things to say about it but i am on the positive side. Do not cheat because you will see it reflected on the scale. I will be on it until I lose 40 pounds. After that I will continue with a low calorie healthy diet and daily gym visits .
    Originally Posted by MUSCLEXT View Post
    I have been in the bodybuilding world for over 20 years. I don't really answer to posts but when I see something that is not right I do. It is obvious that you never tried the diet and no one you know has either. I have tried it and yes 100% it suppresses appetite BIG TIME. No it is not a placebo effect cause my appetite is huge,I was sitting on the table with my wife and kids and I was very comfortable no matter what was on the table, if I would let myself go longer periods without food I would get an empty feeling ,but no cravings whatsoever.
    Do not forget how HCG works. It is produced by the female when she is pregnant in very big amounts, when she goes a long time without food the body digs in the fat stores for survival, it is very simple,and very natural.
    I hate to back the diet up cause I do not believe it is for everyone, cause you definitely feel big time emptiness (funny felling, not hungry,just empty) especially if you have some evening eating patterns. Forget about training , when you are on this diet don't have the energy to do so. One more thing it spears your muscle cause it goes direct to the fat,do you see a lot of pregnant woman lose there muscles,no,why ,this is the reason. As long as you have fat to burn!
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    Proponents of the HCG diet admit weight loss is no greater with HCG rather that it targets visceral fat and has muscle sparing properties. Anybody care to comment on claims HCG will help mobilize visceral fat?

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    everybody is always clamoring for everyone to site specific studies, well here ya go:

    "The effect of human chorionic gonadotropin (HCG) in the treatment of obesity by means of the Simeons therapy: a criteria-based meta-analysis. Lijesen GKS, et al. Br J Clin Pharmacol 1995; 40: 237-43"

    The above article basically shows that HCG does not help people lose weight.

    All this is the first I have heard of an hcg diet being used in modern times. From what everyone describes, it sounds exactly like the old Simeons diet. Back in the 1950s, Dr. Simeons went around saying that a 500 cal diet along with hcg injections would help people lose weight. His reasoning was that HCG kills the appetite, thus allowing someone to stay on a 500 calorie diet without trying to gnaw off their own arm from hunger.

    Long story short, it sounds like some people are trying to re-introduce a debunked diet scam from 70 years ago. Surprising..? ..Unfortunately, no.

    The FDA eventually caught on and stripped HCG of it's classification as a potential weight loss drug, and to my knowledge, it would still be a violation to prescribe 'real' HCG for weight loss. (sublingual and pill forms are most likely homeopathic preparations, and are thus not regulated by the FDA. Also, being homeopathic preparations, they are also totally worthless.)

    My experience (not personally) with HCG is for PCT. It is VERY effective at reactivating testes that have shrank and become inactive due to steroid use. It does this because it works to mimic Leutinizing Hormone in the body (which is what you need if you go into complete shutdown). Bill Llewellyn and Dr. Michael Scally have always been supporters of this type of therapy. Dr. Scally has made a profession for himself out of performing this therapy for hardcore steroid users. (remember the baseball player recently banned for using HCG. He wasn't using it AS a steroid, he was using it comming OFF of steroids.)

    The guys I worked with that were using HUGE doses of hcg for PCT never had any loss of appetite. The only thing it might do is make you feel sick (morning sickness is what pregnant women call it) which might make you throw up a lot, and hey, no one is arguing that doesn't work for weight loss, right......
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    Most people misuse hCG and there are many misconceptions. If you want to weight train then find something else, plain and simple because you are more likely to burn muscle for energy rather than fat.

    Pure 100% hCG is only available from 3 places, LetCo, Diet Doc (hcgtreatments.com) or private practitioners. There are 3 common ways to use the hormone: Injections (100% absorbed and most effective), Tablets (about 75% absorbed) or drops (which is barely absorbed and a pain in the butt because it needs to be mixed and refrigerated after mixing to keep the hormones potency)

    The most common misconception is that you ONLY burn fat when taking hCG... You are actually at risk of losing muscle mass at an alarming rate especially when using Simeons 60 yr old 500 Calorie protocol and/or weight training. At 500 calories, your body literally starts to eat itself because it is not enough intake unless you remain bedridden all day every day and it is flat out unhealthy for your body. There are many health risks and many side effects to the simeons protocol. hCG changes our metabolism to use stored fat instead of mostly carbs for energy which is why pregnant women produce it in massive amounts, its a survival reaction by their bodies to protect the baby from malnutrition and provide nourishment to both.

    We cannot build muscle without carbs or protein either so a common mistake is over exercising or bodybuilding while on hCG because our body starts using our own body tissue and muscle tissue to provide energy since there isnt enough calories and carbs to sustain energy. There are more updated and/or customized protocols (Dr. Nishant Rao with Diet Doc is literally re-writing the old diet protocols) that will maximize results and keep you healthy.

    Another misconception is people think that exercising more or body building will help build muscle or burn fat faster while on an hCG diet but it is exactly the opposite. You are more likely to lose muscle by exercising or bodybuilding and retain your fat so be very careful if you use hCG without the supervision of not only a doctor but also a nutritionist. To obtain maximum fat loss while retaining muscle, a diet needs to be customized for your lifestyle, body type, medical history etc and adjustments to the diet are frequently necessary to avoid long stalls. Many foods and drinks can kick you out of Ketosis (body using fat for energy) altogether so just simply taking hCG (on the slight chance you even got pure hCG) and intaking 500 calories may cause you to lose weight but will probably not be fat loss and your metabolism will be worse off when you stop not to mention the side effects and health risks.

    Our bodies naturally need a bare minimum of 500-700 calories, 20-30 carbs and 40-80 grams of protein to stay nourished and healthy on a normal diet, and that is for folks who do not do any kind of exercise or body building. My recommendation is to take a break from any heavy exertion while on hCG, you will not lose any muscle that way but will still burn off fat. On rare occasions it can build a little muscle but nothing that makes it extraordinary or noticeable. Then you can start working out with body building supplements and/or hormones once you lose the body fat you want to lose. hCG is not an effective weight training type of Hormone and can be more of a hinderance than anything in most cases.

    Another common mistake is taking too much or not enough... most people beleive its more effective to take more and it is not. Men will literally start to convert it into estrogen and women will literally convert it to testosterone and royally **** up their "cycles" each month. A micro dose taken 6 days on 1 day off will naturally increase testosterone for men and estrogen for women and is a much more viable solution to traditional synthetic hormone replacement programs because our bodies have a natural threshold for natural hormones before it starts to convert it into unhealthy hormones you dont want. When using the proper dosage along with the proper diet, this will balance out our natural hormone levels (with a slight increase) while increase sex drive and libido.

    hCG diets or "Ketogenic" diets can be the best, safest and most effective diet you can do or it can be the worst. Do yourself a favor and dont try taking hCG or doing any kind of ketogenic diet without consulting the proper professionals because every one needs a customized regimen for it to be not only the most effective but also to be safe and healthy. When its done right it will reset your metabolism long term, help aid in hormone deficiencies, curb your appetite, burn fat at a lightspeed rate and naturally detoxify your liver and body. It can help build a little muscle but typically only if you keep your heart rate below 120-150, increase your carb and protein intake and adjust the diet accordingly so your body stays in ketogenic fat burning mode and does not start to use muscle or tissue to provide energy.

    You will know when you are in Ketosis. You can acheive it with most low carb diets without hCG but hCG acts as an accelerant among other benefits as well. It is a natural anti deppressant and gives you a feeling of "euphoria", curbs cravings and appetite and all while re-setting your metabolism. Some people have health issues that will prevent them from losing weight or are consuming the wrong foods and drinks to acheive their weight loss goals or lose any weight at all. It is not for amatuers or people who think they know anything about it aside from what they see online or what their friends told them. 99.9% of what u find on the net or hear from your friends is outlandishly inaccurate, unhealthy and what works for one person may potentially be life threatening or unaffective for another). So dont be a know it all or a dumbass and think that because you did a google search or your neighbor had success, it will be healthy and/or effective for you. Chances are your neighbor got a bunch of appetite suppressants, stimulants and synthetics when they actually didnt even get hCG in the 1st place.

    Alternate one month on hCG with no weight training and one month off with intense weight training. This is the only way to "lose fat and gain muscle" and is what most atheletes or entertainers do to acheive a sexy lean body in short periods of time and stay healthy doing it.

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