Official Sig Bet Thread - Huse vs. Greg1983

[Greg1983]

New page bump! Standings after week 2.

1) Wins = Brady 1, Rodgers 2
2) Total Yardage = Brady 497, Rodgers 451
3) YPA = Brady 7.13 Rodgers 7.38
4) TD-TO = Brady 2, Rodgers 3
5) PR = Brady 96.3, Rodgers 94.0

Edit: I hope these are right now.

[PotKettleBlack]

That 451 includes rush yards and sack yards. Passing, he has 443 yards on 60 attempts. Though most websites will figure out YPA for you, so I didn't even need to divide!

Yes, but according to the initial post, #3 was to be used in conjunction with current stats from #2, factoring in rushes, and sack yardage as well.

[Greg1983]

Yes, but according to the initial post, #3 was to be used in conjunction with current stats from #2, factoring in rushes, and sack yardage as well.

Blow me.

[PotKettleBlack]

Blow me.

Very mature. I'm just doing it according to the rules.

[Greg1983]

Do I include a sack as an attempt for the purpose of calculations? Screw it. Keth to the rescue.

[Greg1983]

Very mature. I'm just doing it according to the rules.

Ha chill that wasn't serious. I know I bungled it.

[PotKettleBlack]

Ha chill that wasn't serious. I know I bungled it.

I am chilled, and fwiw, I don't think sacks count as attempts, but I could be wrong.

[Greg1983]

Ha even Keth posted passing YPA for week 1. The man is fallible! I don't feel so bad now.

Edit: Nothing was said about sacks counting, and thus they won't. I'll recalculate under that assumption.
Edit2: But it also says used in conjuction with number 2. Mind = blown.
Edit3: Clearly I'll prefer the first and Huse will prefer the second (we all know Rodgers will end the year with more sacks) so I'll leave in in kethnaab's impartial hands as to what he meant. Both stats are posted at the top of the page.
Edit4: I'm on not a lot of sleep and a whole lot of caffeine.

[kethnaab]

gentlemen, sorry it took so long. I have this on excel spreadsheet

to answer questions -

1) sack yardage counts for overall yards, just as rushing yards count.
2) sacks do NOT count against YPA for the player (it does for offensive team statistics but not for defensive team statistics...go figure!!!) This is the NFL's official statistical 'stance' on it

so the week 2results, everyone can see

here are the "accumulated" stats as they stand right now.

Tom Brady: 45 for 71, 506 P-yards, 63.4%, 5 TD, 2 INT, 1 FL, -9 sk yds, 497 t-yards, 7.13 YPA, 5 t-TDs, 3 t-TO, 1 win

Aaron Rodgers: 38 for 60, 443 p-yards, 63.3%, 4 TD, 2 INT, 29 r-Yds, 1 r-TD, -21 sk yds, 451 t-yards, 7.38 YPA, 5 t-TDs, 2 t-TO, 2 wins

So the sig bet looks like this (Greg/Rodgers = 3, Huse/Brady = 2):

1) Wins = Rodgers 2, Brady 1
2) Total Yardage = Brady 497, Rodgers 451
3) YPA = Rodgers 7.38, Brady 7.13
4) TD-TO = Rodgers +3, Brady +2
5) PR = Brady 96.3, Rodgers 94.0

[kethnaab]

Ha even Keth posted passing YPA for week 1. The man is fallible! I don't feel so bad now.

passing YPA is the way the NFL calculates it.

in college it's a bit different because a running QB is a lot more 'legit', but YPA is purely passing yards per passing attempt. Not dropbacks (which would include sacks), only passing attempts. i.e. completions + incompletions

[PotKettleBlack]

gentlemen, sorry it took so long. I have this on excel spreadsheet

to answer questions -

1) sack yardage counts for overall yards, just as rushing yards count.
2) sacks do NOT count against YPA for the player (it does for offensive team statistics but not for defensive team statistics...go figure!!!) This is the NFL's official statistical 'stance' on it

so the week 2results, everyone can see

here are the "accumulated" stats as they stand right now.

Tom Brady: 45 for 71, 506 P-yards, 63.4%, 5 TD, 2 INT, 1 FL, -9 sk yds, 497 t-yards, 7.13 YPA, 5 t-TDs, 3 t-TO, 1 win

Aaron Rodgers: 38 for 60, 443 p-yards, 63.3%, 4 TD, 2 INT, 29 r-Yds, 1 r-TD, -21 sk yds, 451 t-yards, 7.38 YPA, 5 t-TDs, 2 t-TO, 2 wins

So the sig bet looks like this (Greg/Rodgers = 3, Huse/Brady = 2):

1) Wins = Rodgers 2, Brady 1
2) Total Yardage = Brady 497, Rodgers 451
3) YPA = Rodgers 7.38, Brady 7.13
4) TD-TO = Rodgers +3, Brady +2
5) PR = Brady 96.3, Rodgers 94.0

See #2 is where you confused me before. You're counting total yardage minus sack yardage, but then discounting the sack yardage in order to calculate the YPA. Seems strange to me, but you're the boss, lol.

[kethnaab]

See #2 is where you confused me before. You're counting total yardage minus sack yardage, but then discounting the sack yardage in order to calculate the YPA. Seems strange to me, but you're the boss, lol.

total yardage = yards passing + yards rushing - sack yards

Yards per attempt = official NFL stat. I calculate it the way the NFL calculates it. It is purely a passing stat, similar to passer rating. Tried to get a mix of "passing stats" in there along with overall production and overall results.

[matty_b_bop]

what does "PR" stand for? Player Rating? Like, the same as QB rating?

[kethnaab]

passer rating

[PotKettleBlack]

total yardage = yards passing + yards rushing - sack yards

Yards per attempt = official NFL stat. I calculate it the way the NFL calculates it. It is purely a passing stat, similar to passer rating. Tried to get a mix of "passing stats" in there along with overall production and overall results.

Yeah, I get it now, I just didn't get it with the wording in the initial post about scoring. Cheers.

[Greg1983]

Yards per attempt = official NFL stat. I calculate it the way the NFL calculates it. It is purely a passing stat, similar to passer rating. Tried to get a mix of "passing stats" in there along with overall production and overall results.

That's what I assumed when I saw YPA. But this is from the scoring post linked in the OP of this thread.

2) TOTAL Yardage* = (yards passing + yards rushing) - sack yardage
3) YPA (includes rushing and passing) - used in conjunction with #2, it differentiates between someone who dinks and dunks to his RBs and someone who stretches the field

So that's I guess where the confusion came from. The standard YPA the NFL calculates doesn't include rushing, obviously. But better for me, since even a scrambling stud like Rodgers doesn't get as high a yards/carry as he would yards/passing attempt, so I'm down for not penalizing him for running more.

[kethnaab]

ah, my bad. that was never my intention. I can see the cornfusion I caused. YPA is the straight up NFL stat. No clue WTF I wrote that for.

*slaps himself*

[Greg1983]

Damn looks like I need a big Monday night.

[kethnaab]

Yeah, Brady is looking solid in games 1 and 3.

you'll need about 300 total yards, 4 TDs and a win to keep the lead.

[Huse]

Crazy game

Guess this sig bet is gonna be closer than I thought it would be but Pats offense is gonna do work this year

[Greg1983]

Hmmmm week 3 update.

1) Wins = Brady 2, Rodgers 2
2) Total Yardage = Brady 748, Rodgers 787
3) YPA = Brady 7.73, Rodgers 7.23
4) TD-TO = Brady 5, Rodgers 4
5) PR = Brady 109.1, Rodgers 93.3

Good thing I get the Lions next week!

[kethnaab]

man you impatient! I'm on the west coast, gimme a minute!

you boogered up the YPA. Rodgers has 7.23 YPA right now, although it doesn't influence anything in the general scheme of things

[Onita]

Lol, you got hosed on that hail mary

[kethnaab]

what's funny about this is that both teams have non-existent rushing attacks. Green Bay's defense is better though, so the Pack shouldn't get into as many shootouts. New England's laughable defense should really help Brady, to a certain extent.

[Greg1983]

man you impatient! I'm on the west coast, gimme a minute!

you boogered up the YPA. Rodgers has 7.23 YPA right now, although it doesn't influence anything in the general scheme of things

Ah yeah calculated it then forgot to update from the old number.

Lol, you got hosed on that hail mary

And the TD called back on a penalty (on top of which I have Finley in fantasy). This was me the entire game.

[Huse]

what's funny about this is that both teams have non-existent rushing attacks. Green Bay's defense is better though, so the Pack shouldn't get into as many shootouts. New England's laughable defense should really help Brady, to a certain extent.

2 rushing TDS and 200 yards rushing against buffalo!

[kethnaab]

2 rushing TDS and 200 yards rushing against buffalo!

bertstare

[Greg1983]

bertstare

Well Brandon Jackson could only knock off 29 yards on 11 carries against them, so I'll take New England's rushing attack out of the two.

[Greg1983]

Only against the Lions can you be off your game and put up a rating of 105.3. Too bad goddamn Nelson cost me a few drives to rack up yards.

[kethnaab]

yeah, but you got TDs. weird that he threw those picks.