nitrates

[atomicrock]

i recently started taking power shock, and have only been using about half a scoop, im taking it with a scoop and a half WF for pre and drinking plenty of water. But today, only second day, i got a headache. I thought the caffeine would prevent that?

any suggestions or ideas would be much appreciated

[TMac26]

i recently started taking power shock, and have only been using about half a scoop, im taking it with a scoop and a half WF for pre and drinking plenty of water. But today, only second day, i got a headache. I thought the caffeine would prevent that?

any suggestions or ideas would be much appreciated

Never had that issue on PS, I do a whole scoop intra mixed with Recelerator which has BCAA Nitrates as well.

[CONTROLLED LABS]

did you check your BP?

[NO HYPE]

i recently started taking power shock

Should have went with C-BOL [or wait for the release of PUMP-BOL]. The lack of NAC & vitamin C in Power Shock will initiate nitrate tolerance, thereby reducing the beneficial effects of nitrates.

today, only second day, i got a headache. I thought the caffeine would prevent that?

Actually, the addition of caffeine in combination with nitrates is likely the reason for your headache[s].

[NO HYPE]

did you check your BP?

While this would be a good idea, I highly doubt this was the MOA.

[BIGNFIT]

Should have went with C-BOL [or wait for the release of PUMP-BOL]. The lack of NAC & vitamin C in Power Shock will initiate nitrate tolerance, thereby reducing the beneficial effects of nitrates.

So the same goes for ICE PLUS then?

[TomMutaffis]

i recently started taking power shock, and have only been using about half a scoop, im taking it with a scoop and a half WF for pre and drinking plenty of water. But today, only second day, i got a headache. I thought the caffeine would prevent that?

any suggestions or ideas would be much appreciated

I have tried PowerShock and did not experience any headaches.

[NO HYPE]

So the same goes for ICE PLUS then?

Most definitely, as well as any other nitrate supplement on the market.

[NO HYPE]

I have tried PowerShock and did not experience any headaches.

I'd suggest the addition of NAC & vitamin C to prevent nitrate tolerance/nitrate-nitrite oxidative damage, and nitrite-induced glutathione depletion. This will assure you get the maximal benefits of nitrates. Too bad they failed to add them to the formula.

[Kung-fusion]

I'd suggest the addition of NAC & vitamin C to prevent nitrate tolerance. This will assure you get the maximal benefits of nitrates. Too bad they failed to add them to the formula.

I'm thinking of mixing Intrafuse and Power Shock, since Intrafuse has a lot of Vit. C

Any thoughts on that?

[NO HYPE]

I'm thinking of mixing Intrafuse and Power Shock, since Intrafuse has a lot of Vit. C Any thoughts on that?

Be sure to add NAC.

[Ironman1578]

Be sure to add NAC.

Props to you sir. Its nice to see(I know you aren't a rep) someone so pro a certain company still recommend taking other products that are similar(nitrates) while adding in the key ingredients to make the product better.

[NO HYPE]

Props to you sir. Its nice to see(I know you aren't a rep) someone so pro a certain company still recommend taking other products that are similar(nitrates) while adding in the key ingredients to make the product better.

Reps on recharge.

[Ironman1578]

Should have went with C-BOL [or wait for the release of PUMP-BOL]. The lack of NAC & vitamin C in Power Shock will initiate nitrate tolerance, thereby reducing the beneficial effects of nitrates.





Actually, the addition of caffeine in combination with nitrates is likely the reason for your headache[s].

Would the timing mean anything or help any if this is the reason for the headaches? Maybe take the caffeinated product earlier and let it kick in and then maybe take C-Bol?

[BIGNFIT]

Most definitely, as well as any other nitrate supplement on the market.

Currently on PS, 10 ozs of water is a very slim quantity mixed with the substance, at least for me; would increasing the liquid be best in order to sip the whole thing on an extended manner during the wkt? or one shoud stick to the label´s recommendation?

[I OuTsiDeR I]

Actually, the addition of caffeine in combination with nitrates is likely the reason for your headache[s].

I was under the impression that it was suppose to help. I believe Bane mentioned to use caffeine to help with headaches.

[shadar]

i recently started taking power shock, and have only been using about half a scoop, im taking it with a scoop and a half WF for pre and drinking plenty of water. But today, only second day, i got a headache. I thought the caffeine would prevent that?

any suggestions or ideas would be much appreciated

Neuron has stated that caffeine is in fact not a vasoconstrictor during exercise.

Here is one of his posts on the subject:

They are not constrictive during exercise. Furthermore, the study cited above (2001) was proven unrepeatable.

Here is one from 2005:

http://ajrccm.atsjournals.org/cgi/co...ull/169/9/1019

The study I cited above also found no difference in exhaled nitric oxide.

So, 2 studies demonstrating no change or an increase in exhaled nitric oxide, and 1 demonstrating a decrease. Ultimately, it is a small point since measurable nitric oxide levels are irrelevant in the place of a phosphodiesterase inhibitor (NO activates guanylate cyclase which then goes on to produce cGMP). cGMP is the actual molecule which induces vasodilation, not nitric oxide.

I know he went into MUCH more detail about the receptors in another post, but I can't find it off hand.

[NO HYPE]

Would the timing mean anything or help any if this is the reason for the headaches? Maybe take the caffeinated product earlier and let it kick in and then maybe take C-Bol?

Currently on PS, 10 ozs of water is a very slim quantity mixed with the substance, at least for me; would increasing the liquid be best in order to sip the whole thing on an extended manner during the wkt? or one shoud stick to the label´s recommendation?

I appologize, as I am not exactly understanding these questions. Could either of you elaborate more specifically?

[Ironman1578]

I appologize, as I am not exactly understanding these questions. Could either of you elaborate more specifically?

Not sure about his but if one was taking a caffeinated product, OP is taking WF I assume he is taking C-Bol at the same time. I figured both may kick it around the same time, my question would taking caffeine earlier maybe 30-45 minutes before C-Bol reduce the chances of headache that may be cause from the nitrates.

[SwolenONE]

powershock made me lightheaded even at half a scoop. certainly a high dosed nitrate supp, im glad i never tried the full dose.

[NO HYPE]

Not sure about his but if one was taking a caffeinated product, OP is taking WF I assume he is taking C-Bol at the same time. I figured both may kick it around the same time, my question would taking caffeine earlier maybe 30-45 minutes before C-Bol reduce the chances of headache that may be cause from the nitrates.

Truly a question I can't properly answer. Trial & error baby.

[Ironman1578]

Truly a question I can't properly answer. Trial & error baby.

Figured as much . Thanks.

[WheyBeastly]

Truly a question I can't properly answer. Trial & error baby.

What do you think would be an effective dose of Vit C + NAC with say.. Powershock?

I have a bunch of 500mg tabs; however, no NAC on hand.

[shadar]

What do you think would be an effective dose of Vit C + NAC with say.. Powershock?

I have a bunch of 500mg tabs; however, no NAC on hand.

Well, you can assume PS has about twice the nitrates of C-Bol, based on some number crunching I did a while back. It's impossible to know for sure how many it has, but that's a rough guesstimate.

[Ironman1578]

What do you think would be an effective dose of Vit C + NAC with say.. Powershock?

I have a bunch of 500mg tabs; however, no NAC on hand.

Same doses as CBol, 250mg Vitamin C I think and 600mg of NAC per serving.

[BIGNFIT]

I appologize, as I am not exactly understanding these questions. Could either of you elaborate more specifically?

I take PS only the days of lifting at one serving during the session, while I do consume another aminos formula upon waking up; the label on PS says to mix it with 10 ozs of water, if I do increase the 10 ozs to 16 or 20 ozs, would that hinder the nitrates from producing their effects, enhance the process, or none?

[WheyBeastly]

Same doses as CBol, 250mg Vitamin C I think and 600mg of NAC per serving.

200mg vit c, and 600mg nac, I checked. Thanks

[shadar]

I take PS only the days of lifting at one serving during the session, while I do consume another aminos formula upon waking up; the label on PS says to mix it with 10 ozs of water, if I do increase the 10 ozs to 16 or 20 ozs, would that hinder the nitrates from producing their effects, enhance the process, or none?

You're asking that if you mix it in 16-20oz instead of 10oz if it will make the nitrates not work?

[BIGNFIT]

You're asking that if you mix it in 16-20oz instead of 10oz if it will make the nitrates not work?

Asking about the overall effects of it at that water quantity.

[manofmany]

Should have went with C-BOL [or wait for the release of PUMP-BOL]. The lack of NAC & vitamin C in Power Shock will initiate nitrate tolerance, thereby reducing the beneficial effects of nitrates.

Actually, the addition of caffeine in combination with nitrates is likely the reason for your headache[s].

Do you honestly feel oral ingestion at 600mg is going to offset tolerance? There has been no conclusive evidence showing NAC successfuly prevents tolerance from my reading. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

It seems the best way to avoid tolerance is to cycle nitrates.