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    Question Protein intake on "off days"

    How important is protein intake on your days off from the gym? For instance, last night I missed my workout due to a nasty migraine. Usually I would have gone last night, after my workout I would have had a protein shake right away, another one just before bed. When I woke up, I would of had one within the first 20 minutes of getting out of bed, another around mid morning and a mid afternoon protein bar.

    Does or should that schedule lessen on days after I skip the gym for a day or two? Or should I continue on to keep the protein intake up to what I normally take?
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    How important is protein intake on your days off from the gym? For instance, last night I missed my workout due to a nasty migraine. Usually I would have gone last night, after my workout I would have had a protein shake right away, another one just before bed. When I woke up, I would of had one within the first 20 minutes of getting out of bed, another around mid morning and a mid afternoon protein bar.

    Does or should that schedule lessen on days after I skip the gym for a day or two? Or should I continue on to keep the protein intake up to what I normally take?

    Protein is just as, if not more, important on off days since thats when your muscles are recovering.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Protein is just as, if not more, important on off days since thats when your muscles are recovering.
    lol very good
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    Sounds like a lot of shakes bro...?
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Protein is just as, if not more, important on off days since thats when your muscles are recovering.
    I completely understand and follow that, but yesterday was technically my off day since I missed the gym....so today is still the same way or do things change since technically I'm on my second off day? Hope that makes sense.
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    Originally Posted by Cheap5.0 View Post
    Sounds like a lot of shakes bro...?
    Gotta break up your intake evenly throughout the day to keep the muscles happy. I switched to this schedule about 2 months ago and have seen my biggest gains and results yet. Been lifting for 5 years, got serious 2 years ago, so far this protein schedule has made the biggest difference for me.
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    I completely understand and follow that, but yesterday was technically my off day since I missed the gym....so today is still the same way or do things change since technically I'm on my second off day? Hope that makes sense.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Your muscles don't recover fully in 24 hours
    Ha ha, that I knew too, guess I didn't think of it that way. So same protein amount all the time, regardless of how many days off....unless it's well over the recovery period. Thanks!
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    Ha ha, that I knew too, guess I didn't think of it that way. So same protein amount all the time, regardless of how many days off....unless it's well over the recovery period. Thanks!
    Bingo.

    1-1.5 grams protein/lb of body weight during off days is CRUCIAL for recovery. Dont stop the protein, ever. Even if you are taking a short break fro lifting, your muscles will need it for maintenance.
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    Gotta break up your intake evenly throughout the day to keep the muscles happy. I switched to this schedule about 2 months ago and have seen my biggest gains and results yet. Been lifting for 5 years, got serious 2 years ago, so far this protein schedule has made the biggest difference for me.
    I get the amortizing of the intake, but why whey? Why not some whole foods (ie slower digesting/absorbing proteins)?

    I dont mean to put you on the spot, just looking for another perspective to something im new too.
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    Originally Posted by Cheap5.0 View Post
    I get the amortizing of the intake, but why whey? Why not some whole foods (ie slower digesting/absorbing proteins)?

    I dont mean to put you on the spot, just looking for another perspective to something im new too.
    Oh, there are still meals in there. lol And just because I say protein shake, doesn't mean I'm talking only about Whey protein. My post workout and pre-bed time shakes are Cassein & Whey, along with BCAAs. For breakfast I usually eat 6 eggs, 4 whites & 2 wholes. I'm getting better at adding fruit to that as well. Lunch is usually a sandwich of sorts, turkey, roast beef, etc, with a wheat bread and plenty of veggies. Dinner I'll have chicken breasts or some kind of beef mixed in with a big salad...or a few cans of tuna if I'm going lean.

    I'll snack all day on almonds, peanuts, fruit, an egg or two...lots of different healthy cuts.

    I'm looking into more whole foods as well, I'm not a huge fan of cottage cheese, but I'm starting to try and put a cup of that down before bed instead of a whey/cassein mix shake.

    I guess I wasn't trying to put my whole diet out there, just trying to figure out what I should do with the shakes I usually take that are geared around my lifting and exercise.
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    Originally Posted by son_of_samhain View Post
    Bingo.

    1-1.5 grams protein/lb of body weight during off days is CRUCIAL for recovery. Dont stop the protein, ever. Even if you are taking a short break fro lifting, your muscles will need it for maintenance.
    I'm also big on glutamine for the same reasons, not really sure why I overlooked the idea of taking protein on an odd day off like that....it all makes sense, just not thinking enough before asking....which is why you guys are here. lol
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    I'm also big on glutamine for the same reasons, not really sure why I overlooked the idea of taking protein on an odd day off like that....it all makes sense, just not thinking enough before asking....which is why you guys are here. lol
    Eh... the science isn't really there for glut.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Eh... the science isn't really there for glut.
    Science? Everything I've read says that it helps slow the breakdown of muscle, it's also what the body uses to transport the protein into the muscles.
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    Science? Everything I've read says that it helps slow the breakdown of muscle, it's also what the body uses to transport the protein into the muscles.

    There are a lot of things said on bodybuilding sites and especially sites trying to sell supplements to people... doesn't make them true.

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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    There are a lot of things said on bodybuilding sites and especially sites trying to sell supplements to people... doesn't make them true.

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    I'll read up when I get home from the gym, but I don't read much from bodybuilding sites anyway...and rarely believe what an ad tells me. I read a lot of books and articles for my information...and not paid advertisements! lol
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    I'll read up when I get home from the gym, but I don't read much from bodybuilding sites anyway...and rarely believe what an ad tells me. I read a lot of books and articles for my information...and not paid advertisements! lol
    Basically the gist of that reading is, from my understanding, that Glut is in fact good... but that we generally get plenty of it with all the protein we intake. There are, however, some people who might have some slight differences in how their bodies intake glut and thus need to intake a lot more than others. This goes for arginine as well it would seem, which would explain why some people might gain more benefit than most from it.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Basically the gist of that reading is, from my understanding, that Glut is in fact good... but that we generally get plenty of it with all the protein we intake. There are, however, some people who might have some slight differences in how their bodies intake glut and thus need to intake a lot more than others. This goes for arginine as well it would seem, which would explain why some people might gain more benefit than most from it.
    I also understand that glutamine is important to your immune system. Basically the more or harder you lift, the more your body needs the glutamine to help deliver the protein and if it can't find it anywhere else, it takes it from your immune system. Which in turn weakens your immune system. Honestly, I don't know if its the glutamine or not, but ever since I started taking it on a regular basis(about 2 years ago), I'm sick a LOT less...same with ZMAs, which serve other purposes, but as we all know, Zinc is very helpful in fighting off colds, as well as helping the body in other ways.

    I'll stick with taking my glutamine, I've read a lot of articles supporting it, none that are an ad or from some BS website. For what I've seen personally, it's worth it. It's an inexpensive add on...I'll just consider it insurance if anything.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Basically the gist of that reading is, from my understanding, that Glut is in fact good... but that we generally get plenty of it with all the protein we intake. There are, however, some people who might have some slight differences in how their bodies intake glut and thus need to intake a lot more than others. This goes for arginine as well it would seem, which would explain why some people might gain more benefit than most from it.
    I've always figured that glutamine is potentially useful on a cut when you're in a caloric deficit...not so much on a bulk.
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    I also understand that glutamine is important to your immune system. Basically the more or harder you lift, the more your body needs the glutamine to help deliver the protein and if it can't find it anywhere else, it takes it from your immune system. Which in turn weakens your immune system. Honestly, I don't know if its the glutamine or not, but ever since I started taking it on a regular basis(about 2 years ago), I'm sick a LOT less...same with ZMAs, which serve other purposes, but as we all know, Zinc is very helpful in fighting off colds, as well as helping the body in other ways.

    I'll stick with taking my glutamine, I've read a lot of articles supporting it, none that are an ad or from some BS website. For what I've seen personally, it's worth it. It's an inexpensive add on...I'll just consider it insurance if anything.
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    I've always figured that glutamine is potentially useful on a cut when you're in a caloric deficit...not so much on a bulk.

    *shrug* from those links I posted both of those seem to be false... but I realize there is a bit of conflicting information out there on glut that people like to refer to. NO HYPE tends to be correct on most issues, so I'm tending to trust his judgment on this one currently.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    *shrug* from those links I posted both of those seem to be false... but I realize there is a bit of conflicting information out there on glut that people like to refer to. NO HYPE tends to be correct on most issues, so I'm tending to trust his judgment on this one currently.
    Truth of the matter is, there's a lot of supplements out there that if you read enough articles about, you won't know what to believe. We could swap articles and threads for a few weeks and still have our opinions at the end of the day. Just like the never ending oil debate for vehicles, a lot of this stuff comes down to preference and what works best for you. Just like my lift routine won't work for a lot of others, and theirs won't work for me.
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    Truth of the matter is, there's a lot of supplements out there that if you read enough articles about, you won't know what to believe. We could swap articles and threads for a few weeks and still have our opinions at the end of the day. Just like the never ending oil debate for vehicles, a lot of this stuff comes down to preference and what works best for you. Just like my lift routine won't work for a lot of others, and theirs won't work for me.
    Very true. But when I'm in doubt I go with someones opinion that I know reads a ton of studies and is very intelligent. I've seen both NO HYPE and Rhizome, who both dig very deep into research, say Glut is not worth using for healthy adults. Most of those I see on the other side of the argument resort to the anecdotal argument.
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    Originally Posted by MichaelJ1977 View Post
    Truth of the matter is, there's a lot of supplements out there that if you read enough articles about, you won't know what to believe. We could swap articles and threads for a few weeks and still have our opinions at the end of the day. Just like the never ending oil debate for vehicles, a lot of this stuff comes down to preference and what works best for you. Just like my lift routine won't work for a lot of others, and theirs won't work for me.
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    Originally Posted by shadar View Post
    Very true. But when I'm in doubt I go with someones opinion that I know reads a ton of studies and is very intelligent. I've seen both NO HYPE and Rhizome, who both dig very deep into research, say Glut is not worth using for healthy adults. Most of those I see on the other side of the argument resort to the anecdotal argument.
    I've seen many people say this. A lot of them believe it helps support the immune system but that's about it
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    I have been told that glut is very beneficial in combination with BCAAs for slowing muscle breakdown and speeding up recovery..
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    Originally Posted by AZPump View Post
    I have been told that glut is very beneficial in combination with BCAAs for slowing muscle breakdown and speeding up recovery..
    That can be attributed to the bcaa's
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