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    The Oil Spill Cannot Be Stopped

    I've been saying for weeks and weeks here how BP really has no clue at all how to stop this oil spill. The facts remain after failed attempt after failed attempt to close it. They really have no clue at all how to stop a spill at this depth. Short of a nuclear bomb which at some point may have to be utilized, we simply do not have the technology to stop a spill at this depth. The likely hood of this happening was small. But BP took a chance on this and now the Gulf will pay the consequences.

    It was right at the brink of technological limits even to drill this hole at such a deep depth. Now that the explosion blew out the fail guards. Short of drilling a well that won;t be completed for months, there is simply nothing that can be done. Not only that but a well at the same depth drilling in to the same pressure, we could see a repeat of this catastrophe.

    So where do we go from here? The damage is already catastrophic, but the damage will only get worse week after week and month after month that this massive amount of oil spills out. What the hell are we going to do?
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    I've been saying for weeks and weeks here how BP really has no clue at all how to stop this oil spill. The facts remain after failed attempt after failed attempt to close it.
    It has been consistently stated, by BP and others, that getting the relief wells drilled is the only definite solution. They started that process immediately, but it's still a multi-month endeavor - which is why various other options have been attempted. And with each of these interim options, they clearly stated that it wasn't a guaranteed, or sometimes evenly likely, fix.

    It seems you're frustrated with the non-success of attempts that were never described as most likely to succeed in the first place.

    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7061734
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    It has been consistently stated, by BP and others, that getting the relief wells drilled is the only definite solution. They started that process immediately, but it's still a multi-month endeavor - which is why various other options have been attempted. And with each of these interim options, they clearly stated that it wasn't a guaranteed, or sometimes evenly likely, fix.

    It seems you're attacking them for the non-success of attempts that were never described as most likely to succeed in the first place.

    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7061734
    Maybe you are taking what I'm saying wrong. I'm not attacking anyone. I just want to know what the hell we are going to do??? Months of 50,000 or more barrels of oil spewing out daily. How is the gulf ever going to recover from this in our lifetime??

    The gulf is one the most fragile and necessarily environmental spots to this entire country. We get a huge portion of our fish from it, we have states and towns and millions of people almost entirely dependent on tourism from this location.
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    This isn't the first time...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill

    Not to make light of that (very similar) disaster, which took nine months to seal... But just 30 years later - most people don't even know it happened.


    PS: Edited the wording in my previous post, to be less confrontational
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    It has been consistently stated, by BP and others, that getting the relief wells drilled is the only definite solution. They started that process immediately, but it's still a multi-month endeavor - which is why various other options have been attempted. And with each of these interim options, they clearly stated that it wasn't a guaranteed, or sometimes evenly likely, fix.

    It seems you're frustrated with the non-success of attempts that were never described as most likely to succeed in the first place.

    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7061734
    They said top-kill had a 70% chance of success. That qualifies as most likely.

    They also said it was a negligible amount of oil at first. Then they said it was a 1,000 barrels per day. They fought tooth and nail to keep the image of the gushing well from the public. They tried to force their workers to sign away their right to sue immediately after their friends were killed in the rig explosion.

    They are SCUM.

    Surely you can't have any other view of them after all of these atrocities?
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    Originally Posted by vabyss View Post
    Surely you can't have any other view of them after all of these atrocities?
    I tend to avoid rendering a summary Guilty conviction, when we obviously don't know all (or even most) of the details surrounding this event.

    Initial information during catastrophes is always incorrect - but you're assuming that BP created intentional lies. We still don't know what really happened to cause this disaster in the first place - whether it was a failure in mechanical, procedural, analysis, policy, personnel - or some combination. We can see that "problems" were known - but with no understanding if those problems were even related to the ultimate failure, or if anything could have been done to prevent it by the time those issues started to appear.

    I'm not standing here as a cheerleader for BP, nor am I signing up for the firing squad. I simply think it makes sense to understand ALL the facts, in context, before handing down a verdict.
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    This isn't the first time...
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ixtoc_I_oil_spill

    Not to make light of that (very similar) disaster, which took nine months to seal... But just 30 years later - most people don't even know it happened.


    PS: Edited the wording in my previous post, to be less confrontational
    Yes but then the government had almost 2 months to protect the shores from any oil that could affect the coast. Now it's already to late for so many areas.

    Not only that but only 3,000,000 barrels were spilled.

    The government and BP both are ridiculously under inflating numbers to try and save their ass from criticism. Even there numbers say up to 700,000 barrels already spilled and this will continue for months until the relief well is drilled.

    But more likely, and almost certainly the numbers are far far worse than that. They won't even show an image if the main flow of oil and experts.

    "The company has refused to allow scientists to perform more accurate, independent measurements of the flow, claiming that it isn't relevant to the response and such efforts might distract from the response.[9] In their permit to drill the well, BP estimated the worst case flow at 162,000 barrels (6,800,000 US gallons; 25,800,000 litres) per day."

    After seeing footage of the leak many are estimating anywhere from 50,000-70,000 barrels a day flowing out.

    6 weeks, at that rate(50,000 barrels a day), and this spill has already eclipsed 2.1 million barrels. Thats 84 million gallons in to the ocean. Another 2 months and this most likely will be the worst oil spill the world has ever seen.
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    I think we can all agree to the fact the Oil numbers are being under reported, and have been to save their asses. The latest number Ive heard is about 800,000 gallons of oil per day Is leaking and that's a CNN number.

    http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/05/29/us....pt=T1&iref=BN1

    Given the fact the number continues to be under-reported even today, I think we can safely assume that at the bare minimum, 1 million gallons of oil per day is leaking out.
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    Much of the blame lies with the Government, they FORCED oil companies out to those depths and they failed to do what they promised as far as preparing for an emergency like this. Wonder where the money for the govt response preps went?

    Yes, I don't think it will be stopped either.

    Here's a few things the media isn't telling you about the gulf situation.

    #1. The chances of BP getting this well shut off now, or ever, are slim. By slim, I mean almost non-existent. If the top kill operation was going to work, it would have by now. It's obviously not working, and never will. In fact, BP has given up on the top kill work and has instead deviated towards their last best option, the "junk shot". They have officially begun mixing various media into their "weighted mud" in an attempt to clog the BOP. Here's what most people don't realize. Golf balls, walnut shells, plastic, sawdust and car tires weigh substantially less than their pre-mixed mud, and even less than water (by volume). When you start mixing material that effectively weighs less than the "kill fluid" itself, you're not exerting the same hydrostatic pressure on the well as you "could have" been, substantially lowering its chances of success.

    #2. There are 2 reasonable options left to cap this well. First, BP could replace, in it's entirety, the BOP itself. On land based operations under normal operating circumstances, this isn't an unreasonable task. Add into the mix the fact that the well is spewing oil/gas at 35K PSI and it's a mile underground and this option doesn't look so reasonable any longer. In fact I'll go a step further. BP will not, under any circumstances even try to replace the BOP. The risk of taking it off and not being able to install another is too high.

    Secondly, the relief well(s) they are drilling to intersect this well are at least 2 months away from even coming close to intersecting the original well. If they manage to intersect the well properly (which I might add if it does happen, will be only because the hand of God himself helped guide it), there is still no gaurntee that cementing at that point in time will shut off (or even slow) the leak.

    #3. Here's the beautiful thing about most drilling fluid (mud) AND dispersants in general. They wear out. They are designed to fail after a certain period of time. They are designed to fail because that way the supplier can sell you more product. The dispersant (flocculant) that BP is using will have to be reapplied continuously. Because most oil is lighter than sea water, as soon as the dispersant chemically (wears out), the oil will "detach" itself from the dispersant and regain buoyancy. It will float to surface and BP will apply more dispersant (repeat ad nauseam).

    She's a bleak picture, ladies and gentlemen, but this is the truth and if you live in the gulf region, you should probably know. With that being said, cue the "good-newsers" who will come in here and try to prove me wrong.
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    Originally Posted by Fist-Of-Freedom View Post
    Much of the blame lies with the Government, they FORCED oil companies out to those depths and they failed to do what they promised as far as preparing for an emergency like this. Wonder where the money for the govt response preps went?

    Yes, I don't think it will be stopped either.
    This might be one of the dumbest things I have read yet. Do you actually believe that an oil company would not drill in to one of the largest deposits of oil and natural gas in this hemisphere??? That is down right ridiculous. I'm sorry this does not fit in to your worldview that the government is to blame for every problem. The government is the one restricting and regulating these companies at every turn. Hell most of the liberals in the government are trying to ban offshore drilling outright. And now this is the governments fault? And not only that you are blaming the government in the same paragraph for doing to little.

    Oil companies are chomping at the bit to find reserves like this. They are chomping at the bit to find and drill in to them. It looks much better for shareholders and improves the outlook for future oil profits in the future.

    "The financial implications of the prospect are most significant for independent oil and gas producer Devon, which is the smallest of the three partners. Devons shares soared about 12 percent on the New York Stock Exchange."

    This could not have happened in a better place, Devon CEO Larry Nichols said in a conference call with analysts."


    Every oil company is dying to find and drill a reserve like this. It's literally stumbling upon a jackpot. But somehow you want to blame the government for pushing them out this far. That's downright absurd.
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    Originally Posted by Fist-Of-Freedom View Post
    Much of the blame lies with the Government, they FORCED oil companies out to those depths and they failed to do what they promised as far as preparing for an emergency like this. Wonder where the money for the govt response preps went?
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    didn't they say today the wells have failed to work
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    they know how to stop the leak, they are just ****ing around with other stuff while the relief well is being drilled...

    if they are drilling a relief well, and they can try other tactics while the relief well is being drilled, why the hell would they just sit around doing nothing?


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    Originally Posted by SiZzLaX View Post
    didn't they say today the wells have failed to work
    The relief wells are several months from being completed. No way they could declare them "failed" today.

    The "Top Kill" procedure has been declared a failure. It was one of several interim steps, while the relief well drilling takes place.
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    Originally Posted by vabyss View Post
    They said top-kill had a 70% chance of success. That qualifies as most likely.

    They also said it was a negligible amount of oil at first. Then they said it was a 1,000 barrels per day. They fought tooth and nail to keep the image of the gushing well from the public. They tried to force their workers to sign away their right to sue immediately after their friends were killed in the rig explosion.

    They are SCUM.

    Surely you can't have any other view of them after all of these atrocities?
    This is the same behavior seen in essentially any for profit agency, not sure why this is so surprising to people?

    Not saying your point aren't valid, I guess I am saying what did the public really expect?

    Just like this current attempt to stop the leak, given a 60-70% chance of success out of the CEOs mouth, to the rest of us it was probably more like 40%. People need to learn to take what the agents of for profit businesses (and many non-profits as well) say with a grain of salt and a shot of penicillin.
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    Why cant they run a pipe down above the leak and pump as much of the oil as possible through this pipe up into waiting tanker ships?
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    Originally Posted by Vigilante_Inc View Post
    Why cant they run a pipe down above the leak and pump as much of the oil as possible through this pipe up into waiting tanker ships?
    They are.

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    What is taking them so long lulz!
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    It has been consistently stated, by BP and others, that getting the relief wells drilled is the only definite solution. They started that process immediately, but it's still a multi-month endeavor - which is why various other options have been attempted. And with each of these interim options, they clearly stated that it wasn't a guaranteed, or sometimes evenly likely, fix.

    It seems you're frustrated with the non-success of attempts that were never described as most likely to succeed in the first place.

    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7061734
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    when everything else fails, blow it up (serious)

    cliffs

    -blow up the area under pressure
    - area blows up, releasing MORE oil and QUICKER
    -the area then relieves pressure where all of the mud de-pressurises the area again when the blast settles.
    -the pressure has now stopped
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    They should get Harry Stamper and his crew to stop the oil. They are of course the world's best deep core drillers

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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    LMAO @ BP's website being all green and sh!t.. Environment friendly.. If there would have only left us some environment to be friendly to..
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    What is taking them so long lulz!
    i dunno maybe the well being a mile under water has something to do with it.
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    Originally Posted by Fist-Of-Freedom View Post
    Much of the blame lies with the Government, they FORCED oil companies out to those depths and they failed to do what they promised as far as preparing for an emergency like this. Wonder where the money for the govt response preps went?

    Yes, I don't think it will be stopped either.
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    That looks risky as hell, they're gonna be fcked if they can't connect the risers and it's just left leaking twice as fast.
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    Originally Posted by Powers View Post
    Maybe you are taking what I'm saying wrong. I'm not attacking anyone. I just want to know what the hell we are going to do??? Months of 50,000 or more barrels of oil spewing out daily. How is the gulf ever going to recover from this in our lifetime??

    The gulf is one the most fragile and necessarily environmental spots to this entire country. We get a huge portion of our fish from it, we have states and towns and millions of people almost entirely dependent on tourism from this location.
    its going to be ok . . .
    A 2003 National Academies study estimated that about 980,000 barrels of oil, or about 41 million gallons, seep into the Gulf - every year. Recall that the Exxon Valdez is estimated to have spilled about 250,000 barrels.
    this is NATURAL seepage which goes into the gulf every year.

    In most cases the environment is not some fragile little thing that cannot be messed with. in 99% of cases life is resilient and will flourish if given any opportunity. We Just need to get the oil stopped, clean up most of it which has leaked, and stop dumping toxic chemicals into it (unrelated tot he oil spill).

    The gulf is already amazingly ****ed up. IMO it should be a Superfund site.
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    Originally Posted by Fist-Of-Freedom View Post
    Much of the blame lies with the Government, they FORCED oil companies out to those depths and they failed to do what they promised as far as preparing for an emergency like this. Wonder where the money for the govt response preps went?

    Yes, I don't think it will be stopped either.
    This is one of the dumbest f*cking things I have ever read...ever.

    You really should not talk about anything to anyone. Just be a good little ditch digger and be silent.

    A 2003 National Academies study estimated that about 980,000 barrels of oil, or about 41 million gallons, seep into the Gulf - every year. Recall that the Exxon Valdez is estimated to have spilled about 250,000 barrels.
    Yes, but those are naturally occuring phenomenon called "seeps," where very small amounts of oil gradually leak. The ecosystem can naturally balance that out. The amount that is gushing forth right now is catastrophic. It will take decades to degrade.

    It is NOT going to "be ok."

    Know the real meaning behind things before quoting them please. Taking these out of context is the same thing as lying, if not worse.
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    Originally Posted by Fist-Of-Freedom View Post
    Much of the blame lies with the Government, they FORCED oil companies out to those depths and they failed to do what they promised as far as preparing for an emergency like this. Wonder where the money for the govt response preps went?

    Yes, I don't think it will be stopped either.
    So is the CEO of BP personally sticking it in your ass? Or is it one of the top execs?
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    Originally Posted by nutsy54 View Post
    It has been consistently stated, by BP and others, that getting the relief wells drilled is the only definite solution. They started that process immediately, but it's still a multi-month endeavor - which is why various other options have been attempted. And with each of these interim options, they clearly stated that it wasn't a guaranteed, or sometimes evenly likely, fix.

    It seems you're frustrated with the non-success of attempts that were never described as most likely to succeed in the first place.

    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?...tentId=7061734
    In many countries they are required to have relief wells in place. In drilling them after the event they are asking for trouble.

    This has happened before, and they are using the same techniques as 30 years ago. They've learned nothing from their past mistakes. Possibly there was no requirement for them to learn anything, apart from that of a moral one. Still morality goes out of the window where profits are concerned. Perhaps in a worse case scenario where this decimates wildlife and local economies, there will be a revolt against BP, resulting in at least some fallout for them, and improved emergency procedures elsewhere.
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