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Thread: The Race to a Six-Plate Deadlift
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06-01-2010, 03:14 PM #151
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06-01-2010, 08:30 PM #152
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06-01-2010, 08:41 PM #153
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06-01-2010, 08:45 PM #154
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It is bro! Consider it 5 pounds of progress you've made. Your fault for not commenting earlier.
Very ****ing nice my friend! See what a little deadlifting thread can do? Yes, I just took credit for your deadlift progression.
Kidding - I'm going to go for 455 next week when my new belt comes in the mail. Gotta keep up!
What did you expect pulling 405, 455, and attempting 495? You still managed 405x8 after that and pulled a PR on two sets. If you hadn't have pulled the 455, you might've gotten the 495. Great ****ing job man. You'll get it next week since you didn't fry your CNS today.
Nice!
Don't beat yourself up, breh. We all have 'those days'. 455 to 495 is a pretty big jump, by the way. Should have taken it slow.
You know what I think? You need more weight. Nice pull!
Is this mixed grip? Get that chalk sock man, it will really help. Some people have sweatier palms than others and it's not fair to judge grip strength based on hand-to-barbell contact without chalk.
http://www.amazon.com/Super-Chalk-So.../dp/B000N2Q57C
I have that one, and it works quite well. Leaves no residue on the floor.
I'm at the stage where my spinal erectors are the strongest muscles in my body. When I fail a high-rep deadlift, it's not because of my lower back. I was doing 315x12 a few weeks ago and my back was still arched on the very last rep - it was only my hammies that couldn't pull it off the ground, and my quads that couldn't push it.Training, philosophy, nutrition and biomedical discussion (2.0): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146797403
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06-01-2010, 08:50 PM #155
Matt Kroczaleski is his name. I don't know his specific lifts and I'm not sure how accurate or if this still applies but I read his total is 2551 in the 242 lb weightclass.
http://www.tmuscle.com/free_online_a...e-man-than-youPlanted like a tree beside the river of truth.
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06-01-2010, 08:57 PM #156
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06-01-2010, 09:01 PM #157
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Living in Aus, i miss out on the night posts and there was over 1.5 pages!!!
- Nice Pull acm thats insane
- Bliz 405 x 8?? you have 645 in you man.
- L best of luck for 3 plates
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06-01-2010, 09:09 PM #158
Wait where were the two sets I PRed on? I only got 1 PR (405x8)... Anyways, idk about that. I have tried to make huge leaps like that and my body just doesn't feel ready to lift the maximal weight yet no matter how much/little lightweight warm-up I do. I was considering going for 475 before I even tried 495. Next time I'll try it like you say and see what happens. How do you go about frying your CNS? I don't think I'll be ready to pull that next week. I'm gonna go for a triple with 455.
My thighs are way ahead of my spinal erectors, man. While I certainly feel the lift in my glutes, hammies, and quads during the lift, the next day my lower back is the most sore out of everything and sometimes its the only thing that's sore. Maybe I'm doing it wrong... I'll def get a vid that works next time.
PS I called up my cameraman and he said that my camera actually died as he started recording but he didnt want to piss me off any more than I already was. I hadn't even thought to watch it until I tried to upload it. Didn't bother me so much since I'm cooled off now and determined to cause some destruction next time.Planted like a tree beside the river of truth.
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06-01-2010, 09:35 PM #159
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I'm lucky that I didn't have access to straps when I started deadlifting - I remember my callouses would rip off on a weekly basis and leave raw skin exposed and sometimes bleeding, but I always pushed through it with my deadlifts. Never used chalk until recently, either. It's definitely paid off. None of my lifts are limited by my grip anymore, and it's a great feeling. I can do a one-handed deadhang for 30+ seconds now.
Wtf, I don't get a personalized note?
Ohh, I thought 455 was a PR. I was confusing you with acm, I think. If you pulled 455, you exhausted yourself. Judging from the 405x8 (and you having more in you), I think you would've gotten the 495 had you skipped the 455.
In my case: I have to lift everyday for about 20 days, squat 4x/week, lift very heavy, and do all my normal routines to fry my CNS. I wanted to see what my body could take before college ended, so I gave myself three weeks to go all out on a Smolov squatting cycle WHILE doing everything else I normally did. My squat jumped 25 pounds after I took a week off, but on the last day of my training cycle I found myself unable to bench more than 185x5 on a chest day when I was "fresh." 185x11 is my PR.
I've always had an exceptionally strong core, relative to my other body parts. Recently I had two people stand on me while I was doing a plank (a total of 330 pounds), and I held it for 10 seconds. I can do dragonflags, supermans with nothing but my fingertips and toes touching the ground while I'm fulling extended, and a few other things that most people can't do. I say that not to sound egotistical - my legs, until recently, were far behind everything else. The training I've been doing has made them catch up, but part of the reason they did was because I was able to overload them with deadlifts. If you look at my 425x1 video on the first page, there is virtually zero leg drive.
You'll probably get 495 next time, good luck.Training, philosophy, nutrition and biomedical discussion (2.0): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146797403
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06-01-2010, 09:41 PM #160
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06-01-2010, 09:57 PM #164
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Since you said 5lb either way isnt much on the deads, can u make mine 425, so i can be even with yours son? lol jk
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06-01-2010, 09:58 PM #165
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06-01-2010, 10:00 PM #166
Yeah my tested 1RM was and (sadly) still is 465...
That sounds like 20 days of death. I doubt I could put myself through something like that. Do you think it was worth it?
How did you build up core strength like that? I guess my core strength used to be sh*t compared to yours before because after I started doing front squats, squat partials, and Oly lifts (particularly 1 arm DB snatches) I noticed a definite increase. I can do dragonflags now but the superman thing you described seems almost impossible to me still. My strong legs are from years of Tae Kwon Do, running track, and pretending to be a ninja (aka parkour).Planted like a tree beside the river of truth.
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06-01-2010, 10:14 PM #167
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06-01-2010, 10:35 PM #168
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06-01-2010, 10:48 PM #169
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06-01-2010, 10:53 PM #170
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It was absolutely worth it. I enjoyed it, and after the first week was over I was hardly feeling any soreness at all. On week 2, I did 10 sets of 3 with 265 squatting - something that was my 1RM three weeks before that. The day AFTER the 10x3x265, I did 4x9x245. The day after that I did deadlifts, benching, and everything else I could put my hands on since it was my last day lifting at college. I found that all of my lifts, despite me being relatively fresh, went down.
The thing about "overtraining": I think it only helps when you specialize. If I had've tried to make my bench, squats, deadlifts and overhead presses fly up in two weeks, I would've failed and ended up with an injury.
I'm going to be honest: my core might be similar to how other people's calves and forearms are. It might be genetics, with whatever I've been doing only contributing to the advantage.
With that said, I started taking martial arts at the age of 7. It wasn't anything serious until later on, but I remember doing abs every night before I went to bed throughout my entire Junior year (before I started lifting). As far back as 7th grade, I would lie in my bed and try to hold a front plank for 5 minutes. By october '08, I had nothing but a relatively large chest (compared to my 140 pound frame) and decent ab genetics/strength. I ignored all ab isolation work throughout most of college, but started treating it seriously again in February.
I think one of the best things for abs is abandoning traditional crunches and variations of them as a mainstay of your routine. They tend to work the hip flexors more than the abs themselves, and should probably only be used after doing other abdominal work. Reverse incline crunches, hanging leg raises, weighted planks and incline crunches with a partner giving you maximal resistance on the eccentric portion are all that you really need, IMO. Deadlifts and squats probably add more isometric strength, though.
Canadian and Asian, does not count.
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06-01-2010, 10:57 PM #171
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06-01-2010, 11:02 PM #172
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06-01-2010, 11:06 PM #173
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**** man! Nice pull.
How do you find sumo compares to conventional? I've never tried it... Would someone who's posterior-chain-dominant, rather than leg dominant, probably find it easier?
I'll update the original post at the end of the week, since people keep joining.
Random:
See the new picture I uploaded with the smiley face? I accidentally left the tip of my dick uncropped, and three gay guys sent me a message within five minutes of me uploading it. ROFL.Training, philosophy, nutrition and biomedical discussion (2.0): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146797403
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06-01-2010, 11:08 PM #174
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06-01-2010, 11:11 PM #175
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there is still plenty of lumbar in a sumo pull, you get more adductor, hamstring, and glute out of them, it helps people who don't have the best leverages for conventional get into a better pulling position. I think it is also safer, you can keep your lumbar in extension more easily pulling sumo. However, for some people, a conventional deadlift fits their leverages better.
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06-01-2010, 11:15 PM #176
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Yeah... I feel like my legs are hardly doing anything besides trying not to buckle when I deadlift. Tomorrow I might fool around with 315 on sumo and see how it feels, and maybe pull more if I like it.
Good to know. Those are my dominant muscles, so I think it's worth giving a shot.Training, philosophy, nutrition and biomedical discussion (2.0): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146797403
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06-01-2010, 11:18 PM #177
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dont be surprised if you lose a lot of poundage switching initially. Also, for the taller guys with longer legs, definitely try sumo, unless your arms are also really long. If you have issue with pulling speed from the floor, I'd really suggest doing some speed pulls with about 55-60% of your 1RM, once those get really fast add bands or chains. I used to get stuck right on the floor, if I got it off the floor, it was a good lift. Once I started doing speed work I added a good 20lbs to my deadlift over the course of 6 months, now I get stuck just above the knee.
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06-01-2010, 11:24 PM #178
Thanks for the info on them. Im sure there is a benefit to cycling them in even if one stays conventional as main movement. I do have long arms and have always been a decent conv deadlifter, but also have typical 6'3" long legs.
I'll see how they feel for a few sets tomorrow. Plan on front squats and 1 plate deficit speed deads originally, so I can just add the sumos in at end for a few light sets.
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06-01-2010, 11:28 PM #179
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Hmm. Speed training seems to have a lot of uses all around. Maybe I'll figure out a way to fit jump squats, speed deadlifts and speed benching in on my routine so that they'll be separated by a few days from the main days those lifts are performed on.
^phew, that sentence construction sucked.
I hear 8 sets of 3 is usually a good thing to aim for with speed training?Training, philosophy, nutrition and biomedical discussion (2.0): http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?t=146797403
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06-01-2010, 11:42 PM #180
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