Box squats with a box that's right around parallel help with getting the right depth every time and sitting back and all that but partial squats off the pins (about 1/3 ROM) help with getting the body used to the heavier weights. Both train power out of a dead stop.
I haven't even done regular back squats in a while. I do these two and ATG front squats and that's all the squat training I do. I want to bring back squats back in and take out either box squats or partial squats.
What do you guys think?
Oh and another question. I was box squatting onto a box about a half inch above parallel. How should that compare to my PL squat? I want to know what weight range to shoot for when I try to max out next time.
Thread: Box Squats vs Partial Squats
05-11-2010, 07:12 PM #1
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05-11-2010, 07:23 PM #3
Your doing your own program I assume?
I'd ditch the partial squats as a main movement and work on your regular competition squat. I'm not sure where your weak points are but I'd work on a box that was below parallel if I were you.1493 total in 105 class
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just squat.If you are at a relatively experienced level then learn to properly box squat to a below parallel box and watch your squat shoot up.I have only seen a hand full of lifters do squats to a high pin setting as an ME movement, and they were all 20 year+ veterans of the sport whose sticking point was literally 2 inchwes from full lockout.
But I agree regardless of the use of boxes and partial movements, bands or chains or whatever, the best way to get your squat up IMO is to squat more.We the type of crew, to get fresh just to sit in the living room.-Bill O'Reilly
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05-11-2010, 09:20 PM #7
K so squat more. Lol yeah that's why I'm bringing them back in as a main movement. But I'm gonna have to try box squats below parallel.
And to answer some questions, yes I lift raw. My last tested max was 385 lbs a couple months ago. The half inch above parallel box squat I did 455 and that was yesterday.
And yes I have my own program for now until I get comfortable with all these compound movements vs all the BBing iso movements I used to do.
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05-11-2010, 09:50 PM #11
Thanks. It just sucks doing regular back squats that often. I prefer to have some more variation. Plus squat partials with 100+ lbs more than my max back squat makes me feel unstoppable. But I'll definitely start sticking with normal squats.
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"I was box squatting onto a box about a half inch above parallel. How should that compare to my PL squat?"Planted like a tree beside the river of truth.
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05-12-2010, 05:32 AM #13
You obviously can do whatever you want. But I strongly suggest just free squatting. A box squat and a free squat are different movements. I suggest you perfect your free squat before trying to move onto a box.There is no such thing as 'strong enough'
05-12-2010, 05:53 AM #14
And I didn't mean squats, deads, and bench for the compounds I'm uncomfortable with. I meant all the assistance movements that I've seen people doing for them like floor presses, board presses, box squats (which you obviously dislike), SLDLs, rack pulls, etc. I'll have vids up eventually to get critiqued on my form but I think my form is decent enough.
I've read that heavy good mornings are a good exercise to help improve squats and deadlifts also. Has anyone had any success by incorporating these?Planted like a tree beside the river of truth.
05-12-2010, 06:03 AM #15
And I am not trying to disrespect you, but your numbers are not high by any means. You would get great benefit from practicing the movement every time you squat. And a box squat is not the same as a free squat, especially a high box squat.
Most of the posters here I know do good mornings as an accessory and some even use them as a main movement on some days. I have used it as an accessory when I was running Coan/Phillipi for deads. I feel like they helped quite a bit. Again, I am not a fan of incorporating them as a main movement. But I know a lot of people who do and have success with it. It took me awhile to get comfortable with them so don't scrap them right away if you aren't comfortable right away.There is no such thing as 'strong enough'
05-12-2010, 07:38 AM #16
Good advice from a strong man. It's just confusing when people with huge numbers like Tate are saying you don't even have to squat. Just box squat. But whatever. 2 more weeks of what I'm doing and then I'm thinking of going on a tried and true program. Any recommendations for a beginner PLer?Planted like a tree beside the river of truth.
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05-12-2010, 07:52 AM #18
The number one way to make gains in the gym is to be consistent. Consistent with your workouts, consistent with your diet, and consistent with your rest. Obviously stuff will come up in life where you will have to miss workouts, meals, sleep, etc. But as long as you stay as consistent as you can and bust your ass you'll make great gains.
As far as programs go I know most people here enjoy Madcows 5x5 for the novice lifter.
Oh, and thank you for taking advice without getting all defensive. It's a breath of fresh air to actually see someone do that!There is no such thing as 'strong enough'
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