Folic Acid Dangerous???

[kiwidave1]

After reading this story I am now a little concerned at the 800mcg in Orange Triad.

Is this BS or are we overdosing on Folic Acid??

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35874922...and_nutrition/

[GeneGnomeX]

Yes it is a concern, especially because the recent studies are rather large, randomized controlled trials (not observational) that show clear negative effects when high dosed.

[kiwidave1]

Thanks for the reply man. Don't want no goddamn Prostrate cancer. Don't be messing with me down there.

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[jdav]

Wow, even multi-vitamins such as AOR Ortho-Core have a high 800mcg dose of folic acid.

Would it be wise to cut down to 3 pills a day? Thus still receiving vitamins, but lowering the impact of folic acid, or will it not make difference?

[WIULifter]

Anavite only has 200 i believe. Pretty good

[necrologic]

So does that mean i shouldn't be taking 3 opti-men tablets a day? 600 mcg of Folic acid doesn't seem much but still..
Kinda scary

[acwild]

The article states that the studies where done with 800mcg and 1000mcg where negative side effects were prevalent... that is double what most multivitamins have. Although if you're eating foods that contain a great deal of folic acid already and you're supplementing 400mcg on top of that... it might be time for the supplement industry to lower folic acid to 100 or 200mcg in their multivitamins.

Below are two quotes from that article but of course... folks have to read the whole article not just the headline


Stay in the safe range "If you're eating a balanced diet and not taking a multivitamin, you're probably fine," says Karin Michels, ScD, PhD, an associate professor in the department of epidemiology at Harvard School of Public Health. But if you pop supplements and eat a lot of [leafy greens, orange juice]*, cereal, a lot of bread, and a lot of white rice, you may want to rethink your consumption of folic acid. If it's not possible for you to become pregnant, lowering your intake to 400 mcg won't hurt — and might help save your life


...research links high doses to lung and prostate cancers. In one study conducted in Norway, which doesn't fortify foods, supplementation with 800 mcg of folic acid (plus B12 and B6) daily for more than 3 years raised the risk of developing lung cancer by 21 percent. Another, in which men took either folic acid or a placebo, showed those consuming 1,000 mcg of folic acid daily had more than twice the risk of prostate cancer. And a new worry recently came to light when scientists discovered the liver has limited ability to metabolize folic acid into folate — which means any excess continues circulating in the bloodstream. "Unlike folate, folic acid isn't found in nature, so we don't know the effect of the excess," says Smith.

*the article mentioned other natural sources of folic acid earlier in the text, this mention was added to the list in the first quote above.

[necrologic]

so.. my vitamin opti-men apparently has too much folic acid?

[apilot]

This is a somewhat scary, not only do the multi vitamins we take contain high levels of folic acid, most N.O. products contain 100+ mcg of folic acid (White Flood, N.O. Explode, etc).

Are there any good multi-vitamins out there that contain no folic acid, how about N.O. products?

I feel like an idiot, my father age 66 just got diagnosed today with prostate cancer. My grandfather who I thought passed away from a stroke when I was a child, I learn today he actually died of prostate cancer. So my odds of getting it are pretty good......and over the years I've taken my share of multi-vitamins and N.O. products. I'll be getting a PSA check this week.

[wayprotein]

yea i dont like the massive amounts of folic acid they are putting in supps either im going to switch my multi to animal pak that only has 400mcg for two packs im only gonna take 1 so its like 200mcg which is low as for preworkouts without folic all i know is jacked it has no vitamins added which is good i hate when companies put vitamins in everything

[Opies]

Glad I only take a 1/3 dose of orange triad haha. Who needs that much vitamins EVERY DAY anyway

[apilot]

yea i dont like the massive amounts of folic acid they are putting in supps either im going to switch my multi to animal pak that only has 400mcg for two packs im only gonna take 1 so its like 200mcg which is low as for preworkouts without folic all i know is jacked it has no vitamins added which is good i hate when companies put vitamins in everything

Very true. I'm taking one pack of animal pak a day, and I will switch back to jack3d. I'll see what the PSA test brings.

[wayprotein]

Very true. I'm taking one pack of animal pak a day, and I will switch back to jack3d. I'll see what the PSA test brings.

what preworkout you taking now?

[thegatekeeper]

Damn this seems like a pretty big deal, I bet it will take forever for supp companies to even address this

[michael3435]

certain foods in america are fortified with folic acid. its pretty hard to get around so i wouldnt stress about it. then again, if i used a multivitamin, i would use a multivitamin containing no folic acid at all.

btw, it may just be that folic acid increases the rate of cancer growth once you already have cancer. this is already an issue with many ingredients that we take and are found in many supplements.

[apilot]

what preworkout you taking now?

I was alternating between N.O. Explode (125 mcg) and White Flood (400 mcg).

[michael3435]

I was alternating between N.O. Explode (125 mcg) and White Flood (400 mcg).

in the short run (i.e. in your pre workout product that you probably wont use every day until you are 50), these amount are fine.

[Rawthentik]

im assuming the folic acid in peanuts is safe?

[kiwidave1]

I was alternating between N.O. Explode (125 mcg) and White Flood (400 mcg).

If I am not mistaken mcg is microgram right? Isn't than like 1/100th of a mg?

For so them WhiteFlood has .4 gm of Folic Acid? if so it doesn't seem with mentioning.

I could be wrong of course.

[PN_1989]

If I am not mistaken mcg is microgram right? Isn't than like 1/100th of a mg?

For so them WhiteFlood has .4 gm of Folic Acid? if so it doesn't seem with mentioning.

I could be wrong of course.

the study is talking about mcg as well.

[Rawthentik]

couple days ago i found out i was consuming too much iron, and now folic acid, guess I have to make sure none of my wheat bread is enriched with it now so i dont get prostate cancer -_-

[wayprotein]

im assuming the folic acid in peanuts is safe?

the folate thats naturaly occuring in foods is fine its the synthetic form in vitamins they are talking about.

in the short run (i.e. in your pre workout product that you probably wont use every day until you are 50), these amount are fine.

well orange triad already has 800mcg then with the white flood another 400mcg then whatever foods your eating that may have folic acid added to them your getting 1200mcg just from the supps.

[apilot]

Here's the latest info I could find, dated March 2009.

http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer...te-cancer-risk

It's hit or miss with any of the studies, this article states "folic acid was found to increase the risk for prostate cancer by 163%."

According to this article, the study was done on males with a daily dosage of 1mg, which they go on to say is double the daily recommended value.

Who knows? Everything we eat or drink these days help/hurt us in some way.
I guess the best approach to take is to get annual physicals, ask your doctor questions, and stay away from the internet.

[wayprotein]

Here's the latest info I could find, dated March 2009.

http://www.webmd.com/prostate-cancer...te-cancer-risk

It's hit or miss with any of the studies, this article states "folic acid was found to increase the risk for prostate cancer by 163%."

According to this article, the study was done on males with a daily dosage of 1mg, which they go on to say is double the daily recommended value.

Who knows? Everything we eat or drink these days help/hurt us in some way.
I guess the best approach to take is to get annual physicals, ask your doctor questions, and stay away from the internet.

well if your taking orange triad and white flood your getting more then 1.2mg per day. plus all the studies i see say its only helpful to take folic acid to prevent birth defects when your pregnant.

[apilot]

well if your taking orange triad and white flood your getting more then 1.2mg per day. plus all the studies i see say its only helpful to take folic acid to prevent birth defects when your pregnant.

True.

[balkp]

BUMP for the unaware....just read this..**** im gettin 800mcg a day