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    Coffee? Or No Coffee?

    Black coffee? Is this not a good idea during training for competition?
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    I'm not sure about coffee for competition, but was reading recently that it can have positive health effects.

    http://www.drbriffa.com/blog/2010/03...-for-the-body/

    Coffee drinking has biochemical benefits for the body

    Posted on 22 March 2010


    Coffee, despite its not-so-healthy reputation, has been quite consistently linked in the scientific literature with benefits for health including a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, diabetes and dementia. See here, here, here, and here.

    While the research regarding the effects of coffee on health is voluminous, the great majority of it comes in the form of so-called epidemiological evidence. Such studies can identify associations between things, but that’s about all. If there were 20 studies showing that coffee-drinking is associated with a reduced risk of cardiovascular disease, say, then that still would not be enough to conclude that coffee protects against cardiovascular disease. It might turn out, for instance, that coffee drinkers happen to exercise more or eat more healthily than coffee abstainers, and these are the real reasons behind the association between coffee drinking and reduced cardiovascular disease risk.

    The best test of an causal link between a foodstuff and health is a randomised controlled trial – preferably placebo-controlled. In this case, this would mean randomising a group of people to drink coffee or placebo (ideally an inert coffee-tasting beverage) over a period of time. If the coffee drinking group turned out to be less likely to succumb to cardiovascular disease (assuming the two groups were essentially the same in other respects), this would be very good evidence that coffee consumption does indeed reduce disease risk.

    The problem is, the chances of such a study being undertaken are virtually nil.

    However, what is much more realistic is to perform clinical studies (studies in people) which monitor not disease outcomes, but so-caled ‘surrogate’ markers of disease. In the case of cardiovascular disease, traditionally scientists would focus on cholesterol levels. Personally, I am doubtful about the relevance of cholesterol levels and the benefits of cholesterol reduction. There has for some time been emerging evidence that a true key underlying process in the development of cardiovascular disease is inflammation.

    I was therefore interested to read a study published in the April edition of the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition which looked at the effect of coffee-drinking on a variety of biochemical surrogate markers for disease [1]. A group of coffee drinkers were asked to abstain from drinking coffee for a month. The following month they were asked to drink four cups of coffee a day (a total of 600 mls of coffee a day). The month following this they were instructed to drink 8 cups of coffee a day.

    Not surprisingly, drinking coffee was found to lead to higher blood levels of a variety of coffee-derived substances including caffeine and chlorogenic acid.

    Compared to drinking no coffee, drinking 8 cups a day was associated with significantly reduced levels of inflammatory markers (interleukin-18 and 8-isoprostane), as well as significantly raised levels of adiponectin (a hormone is secreted by fat cells, and has been shown to have generally beneficial effects on the body’s physiology including an anti-inflammatory effect). These effects may be relevant not just to cardiovascular disease, but diabetes too. The authors of this study point out that inflammation is a risk factor for type 2 diabetes.

    For what it’s worth, the higher coffee consumption was also associated with lower ratios of LDL to HDL cholesterol and apolipoprotein B to apolipoprotein A1. These changes in the lipid levels in the blood would generally be taken as evidence of reduced cardiovascular disease risk.

    This study provides evidence that coffee-drinking can affect the body’s biochemistry in a way that could explain the know association between coffee-drinking and reduced risk of disease. It also lends some support for the idea that coffee-drinking has genuine disease-protective properties.

    References:

    1. Kempf K, et al. Effects of coffee consumption on subclinical inflammation and other risk factors for type 2 diabetes: a clinical trial. Am J Clin Nutr 2010;91:950-957
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    Originally Posted by pitbulllvr View Post
    Black coffee? Is this not a good idea during training for competition?
    It's a nice energy boost if you're cutting calories, and the diuretic effect before competition can help you appear leaner as well
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    suggestions on pre training food!

    Awesome! Thank you.

    What about something to eat before training? I find that I dont eat close enough to training. But can't find something that would give me the most energy.
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    i use black coffee in my pre workout shake. the caffeine gives a decent pump and has thermogenic effects as well
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    If there's something wrong with coffee, I don't care. Whether it's healthy or not, I'm drinking it.
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    i add instant coffee to my morning protein shake, YUM!
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    Originally Posted by Beech27 View Post
    If there's something wrong with coffee, I don't care. Whether it's healthy or not, I'm drinking it.
    Truth.
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    coffee and protein shake!!!!!!!!! I have NEVER heard of that...
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    If u take creatinee ithink no coffe as the caffine break the creatineee intakeee but the coffee has gr8 benifts ...! Here’s some interesting nutrition facts for coffee that may be of interest to you. Especially those on a health quest which includes the bodybuilder looking to build muscle.

    Most people think of coffee as the beverage to get your caffeine addition taken care of for the day. Worldwide numbers run as high at 85% of all caffeine consumed comes from coffee. This figure alone makes the #1 reason people drink coffee is for stimulation.

    The actual caffeine content can vary greatly depending on the beans and method of brewing used. But here’s a quick breakdown of the average caffeine in coffee. If you need more nutrition facts for coffee on a particular brand or coffee house creation, it’s best to check out that vendor’s website. Adding in sugars and additional shots can change your standard cup of joe into something entirely different.

    Average Caffeine Content in Coffee:

    * Drip coffee: 115–175 mg
    * Espresso: 100 mg
    * Brewed: 80–135 mg
    * Instant: 65–100 mg
    * Decaf, brewed: 3–4 mg
    * Decaf, instant: 2–3 mg

    Possible Benefits of Drinking Coffee (in no particular order):

    1. Reduced risk of Alzheimer’s disease
    2. Reduced risk of gallstone disease
    3. Reduced risk of Parkinson’s disease (80% less likely to develop for those regular coffee consumers)
    4. Enhanced cognitive performance
    5. Analgesic enhancement (increases the effectiveness of certain types of pain killers)
    6. Reduced risk of Type 2 Diabetes
    7. Antioxidants in coffee (many people get their only source of antioxidants from coffee)
    8. Cardioprotective
    9. Reduced risk of cancer (oral, eso****eal, and pharyngeal cancer)
    10. Reduced asthma attacks

    Potential Risks of Excess Coffee Consumption:

    1. Sleep pattern changes
    2. Increased anxiety
    3. Staining of the teeth (my dentist always bugs me about this one.)
    4. Effects on pregnancy and menopause
    5. Cholesterol (French Press method can use trap cafestol and kahweol which may raise LDL levels that paper filters capture)


    Overall, coffee offers many benefits and very little side effects to the average consumer of this beverage. You’ll reap more rewards by drinking it in moderation. That’s 1-2 cups per day. Over consumption of caffeine does have its drawbacks.
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    Originally Posted by pitbulllvr View Post
    Black coffee? Is this not a good idea during training for competition?
    1-2 cups a day is perfectly fine! All the benefits with few if any of the draw-backs. Coffee is very acid forming so if you like to sweeten it, do so with stevia (alkaline). Cinnamon is also alkaline. Either way if you like it black, 1-2 cups won't hurt!

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    Originally Posted by gavin888 View Post
    why do you have such question? i like coffee, keep fit also.
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    Drink in moderation

    Originally Posted by pitbulllvr View Post
    Black coffee? Is this not a good idea during training for competition?
    I guess you'll be fine as long as you drink in moderation. Some trainers even suggest drinking coffee before workout because it can boost stamina and strength.

    But you should also keep a check on the amount of caffeine you consume. You shouldn't consume more than 400 mg per day.
    Hope that helps!

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    Energy for work outs, caffeine and enough sleep, then fast acting carbs if really needed, protein can make you more tired because your body has to work harder to digest it

    I just get a bang energy drink at the beginning of my work outs and during prep coffee is my staple and caffeine in general. I don’t eat before workouts just good music and motivation unless I am training for a powerlifting meet
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    Coffee is like anything else, it’s an individual thing. Some people don’t see any difference, some people do best with coffee, and some people should not be drinking it at all.

    The only way to find out is to drink it for a few weeks, and then not drink it for several weeks without changing anything else in your life.
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    How about checking thread dates....
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    How about checking thread dates....
    hahaha oops I was thinking she looked to good for a question like this lmao
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    Originally Posted by rogerbells View Post
    I guess you'll be fine as long as you drink in moderation. Some trainers even suggest drinking coffee before workout because it can boost stamina and strength.

    But you should also keep a check on the amount of caffeine you consume. You shouldn't consume more than 400 mg per day.
    Hope that helps!

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    Thread is nearly a decade old but why is the magic number 400mgs. Many people have twice that with zero issues.
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    Originally Posted by Ghawk21 View Post
    Thread is nearly a decade old but why is the magic number 400mgs. Many people have twice that with zero issues.
    There's no magic number.

    Caffeine metabolism is very individual.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    There's no magic number.

    Caffeine metabolism is very individual.
    Completely agree, I just like hearing where people pull these numbers from and whether or not they'll admit its there ass.
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    Originally Posted by AdamWW View Post
    There's no magic number.

    Caffeine metabolism is very individual.

    Feel weird, can’t sleep, sinus issues on one cup per day crew checking in...
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    Originally Posted by kusok View Post
    Feel weird, can’t sleep, sinus issues on one cup per day crew checking in...
    I was a 2-3 cup a day guy for about 10 years.

    I switched to decaf 2 months ago...

    All my acid reflux stopped... my premature heartbeats are now improved by about 10-fold... been sleeping better... can now go without the coffee without any withdrawal...

    Even though I could take the caffeine just fine, couldn't deal with the other aspects.
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    I was on the 3-4 cup a day plan for many years as well. A little over a year ago I started getting mild reflux where I didn't notice the reflux itself all that much, but it felt like a mild choking sensation. Like wearing a turtleneck.

    Tried to go full decaf, which was tough, because most decaf is garbage. Even good quality decaf tastes like there's something missing, which could be mental, but I couldn't bring myself to drink it. Then I started blending about 2/3 decaf beans with 1/3 regular, which does the trink. Now I do 2 mugs of that in the morning and feel a lot better overall.

    YMMV
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    Assess your individual response to coffee.

    Does it interfere with sleep? How long before bed do you have to cut it out to fall asleep normally? Does it worsen your recovery because of this? Does it give you any other issues, like anxiety?

    In any case, look into improving your sleep. Similar idea as coffee but on the opposite end. Find sleepy teas that tire you out and get you ready for bed. As long as you take care of removing the negative potential effects of coffee, you will likely only reap the positive aspects.

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