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    How to Dissolve Creatine in water

    Can you mix it in warm water, then chill the water until it is cold?
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    Don't take creatine with water. Take it with any non-acidic juice (cranberry, apple, etc), you want to stay away from acidic juices though (orange, basically any citrus). The creatine is absorbed about 6 times faster into your system when you take it with juice. As for dissolving it, I just add juice to my shaker along with creatine and swirl it around for a few minutes.
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    yeah, try grape juice.

    It boosts insulin levels too which is really beneficial.
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    Originally Posted by acdcrox1357 View Post
    Don't take creatine with water. Take it with any non-acidic juice (cranberry, apple, etc), you want to stay away from acidic juices though (orange, basically any citrus). The creatine is absorbed about 6 times faster into your system when you take it with juice. As for dissolving it, I just add juice to my shaker along with creatine and swirl it around for a few minutes.
    Or like this guy said, apple.
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    Originally Posted by CSB17 View Post
    Can you mix it in warm water, then chill the water until it is cold?
    you're making something simple difficult.
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    Originally Posted by N9ne-41 View Post
    yeah, try grape juice.
    I did a double take to make sure someone hadn't bumped a thread from teh 1990s.
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    you're making something simple difficult.
    x2. Put creatine in water, mix with spoon and drink.
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    Keep it simple man, just put it in a random drink, and drink it. No need to dissolve it or anything like that.

    Originally Posted by acdcrox1357 View Post
    Don't take creatine with water. Take it with any non-acidic juice (cranberry, apple, etc), you want to stay away from acidic juices though (orange, basically any citrus). The creatine is absorbed about 6 times faster into your system when you take it with juice. As for dissolving it, I just add juice to my shaker along with creatine and swirl it around for a few minutes.
    Why no acidic juice? And provide proof of the "absorbed about 6 times faster".
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    Keep it simple man, just put it in a random drink, and drink it. No need to dissolve it or anything like that.



    Why no acidic juice? And provide proof of the "absorbed about 6 times faster".
    I don't know about 6 times faster, and i didn't say that, but maybe this will elaborate on the juice and how insulin helps a lot.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catcrea.htm
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    Keep it simple man, just put it in a random drink, and drink it. No need to dissolve it or anything like that.



    Why no acidic juice? And provide proof of the "absorbed about 6 times faster".
    Pretty sure acidic juice will cause the creatine to degrade into creatinine much faster than regular liquids, but i could be wrong.

    Either way, creatine is just as useful when taken in water compared to grape juice, most stuff about cycling, loading, and taking it with juice is just a myth and has proven to be just as effective with water, 5g a day, and no loading or cycling. Just remember to take in a gallon or two of water a day, and you will receive maximum results from it.
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    Originally Posted by N9ne-41 View Post
    I don't know about 6 times faster, and i didn't say that, but maybe this will elaborate on the juice and how insulin helps a lot.

    http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catcrea.htm
    Hmm...you advocated juice, and from your article

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    Why taking it with juice is not the answer:

    The first users of creatine realized early on that insulin was needed to create an environment capable of pushing creatine into the muscle. It makes sense, because all nutrients, especially the all important protein, need insulin to have optimal effect. Taking your protein with a simple sugar created an insulin spike making it more efficient, and that was the plan with creatine. So they decided to take it with juice. The juice of choice was grape because it contained the most fructose, the sugar present in all fruit juices. Fructose was a good choice because it was moderately glycemic (glycemic index refers to the ability of a sugar to form glucose and ultimately glycogen, the prime storage of energy in the body) and easy to mix with the creatine. Unfortunately fructose doesn't cause a long enough insulin-spike to remain anabolic until the time the creatine becomes available to the muscle (roughly 20-30 minutes after intake). On top of that they consumed large amounts of juice, and all that free fructose easily transformed to fat storage. Not exactly what they were hoping for.
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    Correct me if Im wrong but isnt it after the first couple weeks of taking creatine its in your system and doesnt really matter what time of the day or how you take it...
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    Originally Posted by -BigT- View Post
    Pretty sure acidic juice will cause the creatine to degrade into creatinine much faster than regular liquids, but i could be wrong.
    Orly?

    OJ pH - ~3.5
    Gastric Acid pH - ~1-2
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    Hmm...you advocated juice, and from your article



    Id really like to acdcrox to answer me though.
    I stand corrected.

    But i'll still be taking mine with juice . its just easier to disolve haha.
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    Originally Posted by eldawg View Post
    I did a double take to make sure someone hadn't bumped a thread from teh 1990s.
    Lol, exactly. even back in the 90's we learned the dump & chase method worked just as good as mixing and shaking it with grape juice.
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    Hmm...you advocated juice, and from your article



    Id really like to acdcrox to answer me though.
    I read it in a fitness magazine a while ago because it seemed like creatine wasn't making a difference for me. I started taking it with juice, and I noticed a difference. So to answer your question, I read about it in a fitness magazine first (I can't remember what it was, sorry.) and then I tried it and got better results than taking it with water. Also, as far as I can tell, orange juice and other acidic juices don't actually degrade your results, but will have a neutral effect (just as water does).

    EDIT: So to answer your question, I tried something new and I saw results. It might just be my body, but then again, I've heard similar from people who changed from water to juice. Also, the magazine might have been men's health, but I'm not sure. If you want to know more about it, I suggest google....it's a controversial topic, just like the topic of creatine loading. Some think it does wonders, while others think differently. But as far as I've read, no one has actually had any harmful effects while taking creatine with juice. So, why not? If it turns out to not help absorption, you get some extra anti oxidants and vitamins and if it does then you get the most out of your creatine. As far as I see, only good can come from it.
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    Originally Posted by acdcrox1357 View Post
    I read it in a fitness magazine a while ago because it seemed like creatine wasn't making a difference for me. I started taking it with juice, and I noticed a difference. So to answer your question, I read about it in a fitness magazine first (I can't remember what it was, sorry.) and then I tried it and got better results than taking it with water. Also, as far as I can tell, orange juice and other acidic juices don't actually degrade your results, but will have a neutral effect (just as water does).
    LOL....a fitness magazine. Have you ever heard of the placebo effect? Or creatine saturation? An acidic juice will do little to nothing to creatine. Please explain how/why OJ will have a "neutral" effect to creatine transportation as opposed to a non-acidic juice which, according to you, will have a superior transportation effect.
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    LOL....a fitness magazine. Have you ever heard of the placebo effect? Or creatine saturation? An acidic juice will do little to nothing to creatine. Please explain how/why OJ will have a "neutral" effect to creatine transportation as opposed to a non-acidic juice which, according to you, will have a superior transportation effect.
    Okay, if you want to get technical:
    "Research has shown that grape juice contains simple sugars that cause insulin to be released into the body. Insulin production is necessary to help transport to creatine into the muscle fibers. Just because creatine works well with grape juice, do not assume it works with all juices. Creatine mixed with citrus juices, such as orange juice, can be rendered useless because it will be converted to createinine which the body can not use."
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    Orly?

    OJ pH - ~3.5
    Gastric Acid pH - ~1-2
    Alright, go and mix your creatine with orange juice then, no one is stopping you.
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    Originally Posted by acdcrox1357 View Post
    Okay, if you want to get technical:
    "Research has shown that grape juice contains simple sugars that cause insulin to be released into the body. Insulin production is necessary to help transport to creatine into the muscle fibers. Just because creatine works well with grape juice, do not assume it works with all juices. Creatine mixed with citrus juices, such as orange juice, can be rendered useless because it will be converted to createinine which the body can not use."
    Ill say it again

    average pH of OJ - ~3.5
    average pH of Gastric Acid - ~ 1 or 2

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    Still waiting for proof of the "6x absorption rate" too.

    And no, I dont use my creatine with OJ
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    Ill say it again

    average pH of OJ - ~3.5
    average pH of Gastric Acid - ~ 1 or 2

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    Still waiting for proof of the "6x absorption rate" too.

    And no, I dont use my creatine with OJ
    "Fruit juices with high acid contents (grapefruit, orange, and other citrus fruit juices) may interfere with the body's absorption of supplemental creatine"

    So, with the information from my previous post, it's obvious that taking creatine with certain juices is beneficial because the insulin in the juice helps to transfer creatine faster to your muscles. However, (as stated above) certain juices are believed to have a neutral or even harmful effect on the absorption of creatine because their acidity renders the insulin they provide useless. I believe Cell-Tech used a similar concept when they created their product. They use mix dextrose along with creatine monohydrate to increase absorption rates. The natural sugars in non-acidic fruit juice help you absorb the creatine faster.

    Second, I have no proof of the 6x absorption rate, I said it once and I'll say it again. I read it in a magazine which I no longer have and I'm not sure what magazine it is. However, I'll work to find the article I read about it in.
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    Originally Posted by acdcrox1357 View Post
    "Fruit juices with high acid contents (grapefruit, orange, and other citrus fruit juices) may interfere with the body's absorption of supplemental creatine"

    So, with the information from my previous post, it's obvious that taking creatine with certain juices is beneficial because the insulin in the juice helps to transfer creatine faster to your muscles. However, (as stated above) certain juices are believed to have a neutral or even harmful effect on the absorption of creatine because their acidity renders the insulin they provide useless. I believe Cell-Tech used a similar concept when they created their product. They use mix dextrose along with creatine monohydrate to increase absorption rates. The natural sugars in non-acidic fruit juice help you absorb the creatine faster.
    Information from your previous post? Is there any proof to that information? I can just as easily say that taking 50g creatine/day vs 5g/day will elicit far more benefits. Its simply a claim, and as I said, gastric juices are significantly more acidic than any juices are, and so degradation in acidic is essentially moot; did you even read the .pdf I showed? Which showed that the degradation of creatine in a 3.5 pH solution is negligible across 30 mins, and drops to around 80% after 3 days. Cell-tech is laughable; yea their product is creatine and sugar. Its not nearly as good as so many people hype it up to be. If the sugars in non-acidic fruit juice help absorb creatine faster, then that should go for all juices since as I said, the degradation in gastric juices would be far greater than that of OJ or the like. Plus, how long is creatine in your juice before you finish it? 1-2 minutes? Do you honestly believe in that time that creatine will degrade in that solution?
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    Originally Posted by acdcrox1357 View Post
    Don't take creatine with water. Take it with any non-acidic juice (cranberry, apple, etc), you want to stay away from acidic juices though (orange, basically any citrus). The creatine is absorbed about 6 times faster into your system when you take it with juice. As for dissolving it, I just add juice to my shaker along with creatine and swirl it around for a few minutes.
    Strong broscience. What do you think stomach acid does to the creatine?

    Take it with whatever you want. Water, milk, juice, protein shake, etc., it really doesn't matter. I just mix it in with one of my shakes everyday.
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    Originally Posted by NasGhost View Post
    Ill say it again

    average pH of OJ - ~3.5
    average pH of Gastric Acid - ~ 1 or 2

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    Still waiting for proof of the "6x absorption rate" too.

    And no, I dont use my creatine with OJ
    None of these bros realize that the pH scale is logarithmic. I'm not sure what the actual pH of orange juice is, but you're probably close. The pH of gastric acid is actually typically lower than 1, I think.

    What does that mean to the lay person? Gastric acid is probably at least 100 times stronger than orange juice, so seriously, put the creatine in whatever juice you want.
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    Lots of broscience ITT.



    Your stomach acid has a PH of 0 to 1. That is stronger than any juice.


    Magazines usually say things without any scientific evidence. Some magazines are still touting CEE as a superior form of creatine.


    Just mix the creatine in whatever you want, its not going to matter.
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    Originally Posted by acdcrox1357 View Post
    Okay, if you want to get technical:
    "Research has shown that grape juice contains simple sugars that cause insulin to be released into the body. Insulin production is necessary to help transport to creatine into the muscle fibers. Just because creatine works well with grape juice, do not assume it works with all juices. Creatine mixed with citrus juices, such as orange juice, can be rendered useless because it will be converted to createinine which the body can not use."
    Strong BROscience in this thread. First the creatine transporter CreaT1 is a sodium-chloride dependant transporter with a Michaelis-Menten constant for transport that is in the MICROmole range. Your body produces creatine even if you don't use a supplemental source. The amount that your body is trickling out to replace the normal daily turnover needs to get in there somehow right? Insulin spike = not needed. It can enhance the loading effect, but once muscle creatine levels are significantly elevated, no amount of non-pharmacological insulin spike is going to drive more into your muscles.
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    Originally Posted by quank View Post
    Lol, exactly. even back in the 90's we learned the dump & chase method worked just as good as mixing and shaking it with grape juice.
    Yup a lot of talk here to complicate things. I have been on creatine for 15+ years and the best and easiest method I have found is take your dose dry in the mouth and chase it down with whatever you are drinking. This way you don't have to worry about disolving it or leaving trace amounts in your glass. Tried, True and Easy.
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    Originally Posted by CSB17 View Post
    Can you mix it in warm water, then chill the water until it is cold?
    It *should* be mixed in warm liquids:

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    Use grape juice to mix it.
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    Originally Posted by BurnAfterRollin View Post
    Use grape juice to mix it.
    Should I warm the juice up first?
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    [QUOTE=CSB17;455294171]Can you mix it in warm water, then chill the water until it is cold?[/QUOTE
    It's common knowledge that when it comes to building muscle, creatine is a superior supplement. It helps build mass and strength. That's why bodybuilders all over the world use creatine. Shortly after creatine monohydrate hit the marketplace, experts told bodybuilders to drink it with some kind of fruit juice - grape juice in particular. The reason for this is that juice contains simple carbohydrates, which create an insulin spike that helps channel more creatine into the muscles
    Over the past several years, scientists have done a lot of research on creatine. One of their major discoveries has been that insulin can help to increase creatine absorption and retention in the muscle. This is why experts have been telling bodybuilders to take their creatine with juice. Unfortunately, fruit juice doesn't optimize creatine absorption and retention. When you consume creatine with juice, you're basically trying to increase the body's output of insulin, which researchers suggest helps to increase protein synthesis and muscle growth. The more insulin released at the right time (with ingestion of a large amount of high-glycemic-index carbohydrates), the more potential there is for creatine, glucose, and other nutrients (such as amino acids) to be shuttled into your muscles. This increase in nutrient and creatine retention ultimately leads to increased strength, greater endurance, and more muscle growth.
    When it comes to improving creatine retention in the muscles, only one type of carbohydrate is important -- dextrose. Dr. Paul Greenhaff, one of the world's leading creatine experts, conducted a creatine study in 1995 and found that a large amount of dextrose (a high-glycemic-index carbohydrate) created a large enough insulin spike to help shuttle creatine more efficiently into the muscles.

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