The 80/20 Rule for Lifting

[Dycfer]

Helpful

[acyu2012]

great post

[Sreda]

Nice post.

[MrsYoku]

Nice post :/

There was a book about this and the entire thing could be summarised in one sentance -___-

[abhidworx]

great post. The 80/20 rule always works.

[tanvirsbd]

This is the kind of post what people need exactly to learn the basic, just loged in to appreciate to writer. Thanks

[MrGuin]

Thank you for this thread, perspective.

[mrmee]

fantastic

[luminism]

Very insightful! I caught myself over analyzing all the Little things, but I'm gonna stop. Great post all in all!

[CharlieMats121]

This is definitely interesting...I am looking into it more

[Cruyff]

Great thread.

[Jay2013]

Thanks, gave me a new way of approach to things as a Beginner

[randy634]

thanks for sharing these important points , these are very useful...

[ayls101]

Thanks for the advice. Very informative and helpful, as well.

[Tobynator]

you are officially the sticky maker.

Great points, ill admit im guilty of over analyzing things.
great post

I second all of the above.

[David10567]

Excellent post!

[DamianBlane]

But they all agree on the value of the big, compound movements. They all preach eating enough, eating right, getting enough protein, and having intensity in the gym. They all agree that results take hard work and consistency and a balanced workout routine. They agree on the 20%.

Awesome thread. Needed this.

[brett12155]

I agree that there are certain aspects of bodybuilding that make up a majority of one's success, but i also think that the 80% that is considered trivial can still have a big impact over time. I really think the small details in this sport can make a big difference when repeated day in and day out. For example, skipping a meal one day is not that significant, but one too many times and it can have an impact. Or like said above, the angle of a dumbbell press. choosing between 60% and 45% may not seem like a significant factor one day, but over time can help add noticeable mass. In my opinion these small details become more important the further into the sport one gets. What i mean is that when you are close to 100% of your potential the difference can be found in the angles, the extra 15% protein intake, the post workout meals, and the number of reps and sets. So I think this theory is correct in that much of the time we tend to focus on the wrong things, but its all a matter of perspective. once you are close to where you want to be the small things are what actually make the big difference.

[bodybest1234]

thnx! goood post!!

[fitnessbuilding]

Wow... Thanks for sharing it. I'm gonna start my lifting from next week. I will follow your guide.

Think, But Don't Over-Analyze

When you are enthusiastic about bodybuilding, or any sport or hobby for that matter, you want to know everything you can about it. You want to know what's the best exercise, what rep range will give you an edge, how to best structure your split so that you eek out every gain that you can. This thirst for knowledge is a healthy one - and is a sign that you are thinking, that you care.

But it can also hold you back. With the wealth of information available, especially in the internet age, it's all too easy to get caught up in the minutia, to start wondering if this or that exercise will pack on the size better, whether XX supplement will be the difference between success and failure. The next thing you know, you're spending too much on supplements, switching up your routine every other week to use that new magic routine you read about, or getting discouraged over results that don't seem up to par with the promises of the muscle mags.

The 80/20 Rule

Dr. Joseph Juran, working on quality and management principles in the 1930's and 1940's observed a universal principle that he called the "vital few and trivial many", in which 20 percent of something is responsible for 80 percent of the results. This became known as the Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule. This rule means that in anything 20% is vital and 80% is trivial. For example, Juran observed that 20% of the people owned 80% of the wealth. Or that 20% of defects caused 80% of the problems. You can apply this rule to almost anything.

The value of the 80/20 rule is that it reminds you to focus on the 20% that matters. You should identify and focus on these things. So in bodybuilding, what are they? I would say that the 20% that matters includes:

• Researching & following a good, fundamental, bodybuilding program. (Not a perfect one, it doesn't exist).
• Putting in hard work in the gym, consistently, over a long period of time.
• Following the rule of progression, and ensure that over time you are lifting more weight, more reps, or more sets.
• Having good nutrition. Eating enough good stuff, and not too much bad stuff over the course of a day.
• Getting adequate recovery.
• Adjusting your plan periodically, based on your results and your experiences.

Which basically means: Train. Eat. Rest. Repeat. Week in and week out. Focusing on the basics will give you 80% of your results.


So if that's the important 20%, what's the 80% that's trivial? Well in my opinion it's details like these:

• Should I do 3 sets of 8 reps or 5 sets of 10 reps?
• What's better, 1.25g protein per pound or 1.37g/lb, or 1.5 g/lb.?
• I'm doing BB curls, should I be doing DB curls or EZ bar curls instead?
• What's the best angle for incline barbell presses?
• If I don't get 30g of protein within half an hour after training, is my session wasted?
• How much should I be lifting for my height / weight?
• Are DB flyes better than using the Pec Dec?

Etc. Etc. Etc. Honestly, that stuff doesn't make a difference. Or rather, if it does it makes a relatively small difference (20%); or only makes a difference for a relatively small few who are at the limits of their physical development. For most of us average Joes, it just doesn't matter! Sure, if you have a wrist issue, EZ curls may bump into that 20% of things that matter, but in general it doesn't make that much of a difference.

The muscle mags would like to convince you different, since they want you to continuously tune in to find out if you're doing everything right. If you're "in the know" about the latest "hollywood workout". Whether you're missing a miracle supplement that just got invented in a secret Swiss lab.

That way lies madness, my friends.


Objective Evidence

So how do we know this is true? Well, first of all look at the wide variety of workout programs, splits, exercise selection, training frequency, and equipment recommendations from various top bodybuilders over the years. Do they all agree? No. Do they recommend all the same things? Don't think so. Do they all train the same way? Nope. But it's not the 20% they disagree on, it's the 80%. Which stands to reason, since the 80% only makes a small difference, and most of that is individual anyway. What's right for one person is not always right for another.

But they all agree on the value of the big, compound movements. They all preach eating enough, eating right, getting enough protein, and having intensity in the gym. They all agree that results take hard work and consistency and a balanced workout routine. They agree on the 20%.

As further evidence that sometimes the small things don't matter: how often have you seen some dipstick in the gym using terrible form doing nothing but crappy curls and yet having jacked arms? It happens. Sure, he might get injured periodically. Sure, he might have no calves. But when it comes to those arms, he's doing at least 20% of things right.


Final Thoughts (Cliffs)

So what do you take away from all that? It's simple: do your homework and spend your time and effort on the 20% of the details that matter - that's Thinking. Don't waste your time sweating the 80% of the trivial details that make little or no difference - that's over-analyzing.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, and you should figure out what those "20%" things are for yourself by reading and thinking. But once you do, focus on that and don't let the "80%" of minutia derail you from what really matters.


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[Gunstream]

Let me make sure I understand this correctly. Of everything on this forum, 80% of what I need to know is located in those "sticky" threads nobody reads, and the rest of the useful information is lost somewhere in the debates between EZ Curls and Hammer Curls?

Sounds too good to be true.

[ddtymd]

this gives me good point of view in bodybuilding

let's train hard consistently,eat food properly, and sleep at least 7 hours a day.

[Omar9r]

Think, But Don't Over-Analyze

When you are enthusiastic about bodybuilding, or any sport or hobby for that matter, you want to know everything you can about it. You want to know what's the best exercise, what rep range will give you an edge, how to best structure your split so that you eek out every gain that you can. This thirst for knowledge is a healthy one - and is a sign that you are thinking, that you care.

But it can also hold you back. With the wealth of information available, especially in the internet age, it's all too easy to get caught up in the minutia, to start wondering if this or that exercise will pack on the size better, whether XX supplement will be the difference between success and failure. The next thing you know, you're spending too much on supplements, switching up your routine every other week to use that new magic routine you read about, or getting discouraged over results that don't seem up to par with the promises of the muscle mags.

The 80/20 Rule

Dr. Joseph Juran, working on quality and management principles in the 1930's and 1940's observed a universal principle that he called the "vital few and trivial many", in which 20 percent of something is responsible for 80 percent of the results. This became known as the Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule. This rule means that in anything 20% is vital and 80% is trivial. For example, Juran observed that 20% of the people owned 80% of the wealth. Or that 20% of defects caused 80% of the problems. You can apply this rule to almost anything.

The value of the 80/20 rule is that it reminds you to focus on the 20% that matters. You should identify and focus on these things. So in bodybuilding, what are they? I would say that the 20% that matters includes:

• Researching & following a good, fundamental, bodybuilding program. (Not a perfect one, it doesn't exist).
• Putting in hard work in the gym, consistently, over a long period of time.
• Following the rule of progression, and ensure that over time you are lifting more weight, more reps, or more sets.
• Having good nutrition. Eating enough good stuff, and not too much bad stuff over the course of a day.
• Getting adequate recovery.
• Adjusting your plan periodically, based on your results and your experiences.

Which basically means: Train. Eat. Rest. Repeat. Week in and week out. Focusing on the basics will give you 80% of your results.


So if that's the important 20%, what's the 80% that's trivial? Well in my opinion it's details like these:

• Should I do 3 sets of 8 reps or 5 sets of 10 reps?
• What's better, 1.25g protein per pound or 1.37g/lb, or 1.5 g/lb.?
• I'm doing BB curls, should I be doing DB curls or EZ bar curls instead?
• What's the best angle for incline barbell presses?
• If I don't get 30g of protein within half an hour after training, is my session wasted?
• How much should I be lifting for my height / weight?
• Are DB flyes better than using the Pec Dec?

Etc. Etc. Etc. Honestly, that stuff doesn't make a difference. Or rather, if it does it makes a relatively small difference (20%); or only makes a difference for a relatively small few who are at the limits of their physical development. For most of us average Joes, it just doesn't matter! Sure, if you have a wrist issue, EZ curls may bump into that 20% of things that matter, but in general it doesn't make that much of a difference.

The muscle mags would like to convince you different, since they want you to continuously tune in to find out if you're doing everything right. If you're "in the know" about the latest "hollywood workout". Whether you're missing a miracle supplement that just got invented in a secret Swiss lab.

That way lies madness, my friends.


Objective Evidence

So how do we know this is true? Well, first of all look at the wide variety of workout programs, splits, exercise selection, training frequency, and equipment recommendations from various top bodybuilders over the years. Do they all agree? No. Do they recommend all the same things? Don't think so. Do they all train the same way? Nope. But it's not the 20% they disagree on, it's the 80%. Which stands to reason, since the 80% only makes a small difference, and most of that is individual anyway. What's right for one person is not always right for another.

But they all agree on the value of the big, compound movements. They all preach eating enough, eating right, getting enough protein, and having intensity in the gym. They all agree that results take hard work and consistency and a balanced workout routine. They agree on the 20%.

As further evidence that sometimes the small things don't matter: how often have you seen some dipstick in the gym using terrible form doing nothing but crappy curls and yet having jacked arms? It happens. Sure, he might get injured periodically. Sure, he might have no calves. But when it comes to those arms, he's doing at least 20% of things right.


Final Thoughts (Cliffs)

So what do you take away from all that? It's simple: do your homework and spend your time and effort on the 20% of the details that matter - that's Thinking. Don't waste your time sweating the 80% of the trivial details that make little or no difference - that's over-analyzing.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, and you should figure out what those "20%" things are for yourself by reading and thinking. But once you do, focus on that and don't let the "80%" of minutia derail you from what really matters.


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great point of view. respect

[77sem77]

Great post and so true

[Icarus6]

Brilliant post. I'm a thinker by nature and I've noticed myself falling into the trap of over thinking what I'm doing in the gym and what I'm eating etc. Now I can think of the 80/20 rule the next time I find myself doubting what I'm doing. I'm eating right, lifting progressively heavier and I'm pleased with my results to date. Just need to keep at it.

[JustBeginning13]

Think, But Don't Over-Analyze

When you are enthusiastic about bodybuilding, or any sport or hobby for that matter, you want to know everything you can about it. You want to know what's the best exercise, what rep range will give you an edge, how to best structure your split so that you eek out every gain that you can. This thirst for knowledge is a healthy one - and is a sign that you are thinking, that you care.

But it can also hold you back. With the wealth of information available, especially in the internet age, it's all too easy to get caught up in the minutia, to start wondering if this or that exercise will pack on the size better, whether XX supplement will be the difference between success and failure. The next thing you know, you're spending too much on supplements, switching up your routine every other week to use that new magic routine you read about, or getting discouraged over results that don't seem up to par with the promises of the muscle mags.

The 80/20 Rule

Dr. Joseph Juran, working on quality and management principles in the 1930's and 1940's observed a universal principle that he called the "vital few and trivial many", in which 20 percent of something is responsible for 80 percent of the results. This became known as the Pareto Principle, or the 80/20 rule. This rule means that in anything 20% is vital and 80% is trivial. For example, Juran observed that 20% of the people owned 80% of the wealth. Or that 20% of defects caused 80% of the problems. You can apply this rule to almost anything.

The value of the 80/20 rule is that it reminds you to focus on the 20% that matters. You should identify and focus on these things. So in bodybuilding, what are they? I would say that the 20% that matters includes:

• Researching & following a good, fundamental, bodybuilding program. (Not a perfect one, it doesn't exist).
• Putting in hard work in the gym, consistently, over a long period of time.
• Following the rule of progression, and ensure that over time you are lifting more weight, more reps, or more sets.
• Having good nutrition. Eating enough good stuff, and not too much bad stuff over the course of a day.
• Getting adequate recovery.
• Adjusting your plan periodically, based on your results and your experiences.

Which basically means: Train. Eat. Rest. Repeat. Week in and week out. Focusing on the basics will give you 80% of your results.


So if that's the important 20%, what's the 80% that's trivial? Well in my opinion it's details like these:

• Should I do 3 sets of 8 reps or 5 sets of 10 reps?
• What's better, 1.25g protein per pound or 1.37g/lb, or 1.5 g/lb.?
• I'm doing BB curls, should I be doing DB curls or EZ bar curls instead?
• What's the best angle for incline barbell presses?
• If I don't get 30g of protein within half an hour after training, is my session wasted?
• How much should I be lifting for my height / weight?
• Are DB flyes better than using the Pec Dec?

Etc. Etc. Etc. Honestly, that stuff doesn't make a difference. Or rather, if it does it makes a relatively small difference (20%); or only makes a difference for a relatively small few who are at the limits of their physical development. For most of us average Joes, it just doesn't matter! Sure, if you have a wrist issue, EZ curls may bump into that 20% of things that matter, but in general it doesn't make that much of a difference.

The muscle mags would like to convince you different, since they want you to continuously tune in to find out if you're doing everything right. If you're "in the know" about the latest "hollywood workout". Whether you're missing a miracle supplement that just got invented in a secret Swiss lab.

That way lies madness, my friends.


Objective Evidence

So how do we know this is true? Well, first of all look at the wide variety of workout programs, splits, exercise selection, training frequency, and equipment recommendations from various top bodybuilders over the years. Do they all agree? No. Do they recommend all the same things? Don't think so. Do they all train the same way? Nope. But it's not the 20% they disagree on, it's the 80%. Which stands to reason, since the 80% only makes a small difference, and most of that is individual anyway. What's right for one person is not always right for another.

But they all agree on the value of the big, compound movements. They all preach eating enough, eating right, getting enough protein, and having intensity in the gym. They all agree that results take hard work and consistency and a balanced workout routine. They agree on the 20%.

As further evidence that sometimes the small things don't matter: how often have you seen some dipstick in the gym using terrible form doing nothing but crappy curls and yet having jacked arms? It happens. Sure, he might get injured periodically. Sure, he might have no calves. But when it comes to those arms, he's doing at least 20% of things right.


Final Thoughts (Cliffs)

So what do you take away from all that? It's simple: do your homework and spend your time and effort on the 20% of the details that matter - that's Thinking. Don't waste your time sweating the 80% of the trivial details that make little or no difference - that's over-analyzing.

I don't pretend to have all the answers, and you should figure out what those "20%" things are for yourself by reading and thinking. But once you do, focus on that and don't let the "80%" of minutia derail you from what really matters.


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Pareto made the 80/20 theory about the italian economy in the late 1800s. Solid post just wanted to give credit

[CitizenZERO]

Good tips, appreciate this, many thanks.

[apexhosterz]

Nice post I like your post alot

[NORMAN912]

Its a fact that when we started work out then we naturally get over consious about ourself that will make a problem for our health

[Imtryin33]

I always over think diet and training! I think that everyone does who loves it or wants good results. None the less great write up lot of good info!